Recording Everything Everywhere All at Once
How exactly are we using our hunting skills?
Speaker 2:I mostly just kill people on Twitter. I think that's that's my that's me hunting.
Speaker 1:So okay. So I had nothing to talk about. I forgot we had a podcast. Forgot it was Tuesday. I have COVID, by the way.
Speaker 1:It's not a cold. I then I just saw something right before we got on, and I'm so excited about it. I get really excited about that stuff. It's called Rewind. Have you seen this on Twitter?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Rewind. I mean
Speaker 1:Oh, you go way back. Yeah. You and Rewind.
Speaker 2:We we should definitely talk about it. Which part did you see? Because the new announcement yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I saw people complaining about the privacy aspect of it. Again, I don't care about privacy. I've always wanted something to record literally everything I see and hear and everything I say to augment my memory because I there's so many times where Casey's like, we've literally talked about this twice. Like, we've already had this conversation.
Speaker 1:We're having a conversation for the third time, and I don't remember a thing. And I just wish I could go back and say, okay, you know what? You don't have to say it again. Let me just go back and listen to it again.
Speaker 2:This is really funny. I'm gonna explain to you why this is extremely, extremely funny.
Speaker 1:We've had this conversation before? Oh, no. Sorry. No. No.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:No. Okay. So and you've probably seen some people pointing this out, but, you know the show Black Mirror?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay. The first episode that I ever saw
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Which like made me think, wow, this is a really, really good show. It's really, really well done. Yeah. It was an episode on, there's this device that people install. I think they install it like in the back of their neck.
Speaker 2:It records every single thing that they experience and then they can replay it. And it seems awesome at first.
Speaker 1:Oh, no.
Speaker 2:And then you see how deeply it impacts like every single part of people's lives. And it follows this couple that are having some problems but this thing just makes it so every little detail, they can't let go of. They like replay No. It. They like replay every fight to figure out who was like exactly wrong or who said
Speaker 1:what. Oh, no.
Speaker 2:And like forgetting is a big part of like your brain dealing with, like, anything traumatic, right? Like, people that suffer from, like, long term traumas because they are not able to forget in the way that you're supposed to, like your brain Really? Thinks something is important that is no longer super important. So it's funny because that it it's literally that seemed obviously, in the in the show, it was like way crazy, like way more futuristic. But I thought the show was brilliant because that was my first time okay, first time experiencing this show but this is a theme for them where they take something that seems awesome.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And I think they very realistically explore, how How it's lot more complicated Yeah. Than it seems. But that said, have you seen their existing product?
Speaker 1:So then I went to their website because I saw people complaining on Twitter about the privacy thing. I I saw a recent tweet, this little thing that hangs around your neck, solves all my problems, but apparently not. And then I went to their website, and it's like they they have this thing that just records your screen. Is that the idea? And your audio.
Speaker 1:So just records everything that happens to you on your computer, basically.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They can query they like index it by like running OCR and
Speaker 1:like storing in really really small files and you can like query it using LM stuff,
Speaker 2:which I think is very very cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So you can watch back like your screen recording is what the end result of your search queries is basically?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because you can say something like, know I saw something about this thing but you don't remember exactly where and it'll pull up the exact Yeah. Like, video. And I think it's like, obviously, like, it's compressed and everything but you usually just need like a pointer and you can go like, look it up again.
Speaker 1:This sounds kinda Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like a brilliant integration, right? Because you normally because I think we've always I think a lot of people have had the thought of like, oh, I just have like stuff everywhere. I wish like one thing would integrate with everything and like aggregate it and make it queryable. And that just seemed impossible because how are you gonna integrate with everything? But then the brilliant way to do that is just to like capture the the video feed.
Speaker 2:This is still a product I think someone should build. I think the browser history is just so underutilized where every piece of information that's useful for me, there's like a pointer to it in my browser history Yeah. And like browsers just kind of put it as as like this unorganized tab and I'm constantly like, I know I saw this thing, I know it references but these I don't I can't find it again. And it's like,
Speaker 1:you know, like a five minute process for
Speaker 2:me to figure it out.
Speaker 1:So That's why we leave so many tabs open. Right? It's that fear of like, I won't be able to find this again if I close this tab.
Speaker 2:I never do that. I, like, can't stand having a bunch of tabs open.
Speaker 1:Oh, really?
Speaker 2:But I know a lot of people do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you're so you're inbox zero and you close all your tabs. I'm inbox infinity and I'm tab infinity.
Speaker 2:I I find that people are the opposite of what they are in the physical world. I'm kinda like all over the place in the physical world, but I'm extremely organized and neat in the digital world.
Speaker 1:So I'm kind of tidy in the physical world. I've got
Speaker 2:a Yeah.
Speaker 1:A nice little space. I mean, the streaming stuff doesn't help all the cameras and lights. But aside from that, your theory holds up.
Speaker 2:So I've described to you my desk right now. I have, a roll of dog poop bags. I have two socks that I brought. And I, like, I forgot I already had socks here, so I'll throw them on my desk. I have an empty bottle of coconut water, a cap with just the coconut water cap, a half drank bottle of coconut water, a box of crackers, a tray of food from yesterday, like a takeout thing from yesterday filled with orange, like, tangerine peel.
Speaker 1:Liz is still gone, isn't she? Is she still is she still? She she she doesn't come into
Speaker 2:my office. That's why it's like
Speaker 1:this. Okay.
Speaker 2:An empty bottle of kombucha. Oh my goodness. And a water bottle. And a cup.
Speaker 1:And a cup. Is that for
Speaker 2:peeing Because
Speaker 1:apparently I think there was
Speaker 2:milk in here. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Do you drink milk? Do you just drink, like, milk, like a glass of milk?
Speaker 2:I love milk. I love milk.
Speaker 1:So Yeah. A lot of people have a problem with drinking milk. Like, it seems like a lot of women have a problem with drinking milk. I don't know if that's sexist to say that, but all the women in my life are like, ew, you drink
Speaker 2:milk. I don't know. So did you sign up did you sign up for this rewind thing?
Speaker 1:Oh, no. Not yet. I literally just saw it right before we got on.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think when people talk about privacy, they're not they're talking about someone else wearing the device and, like, you not realizing everything you're saying is being recorded.
Speaker 1:I guess here's my problem. So what yeah. What's the hang up with like, if someone could hear you saying something with their ears, people just don't like to know they could listen to it back. The recording is the part they don't like. Because I feel like if you say it to them, if it's something that was said
Speaker 2:Yeah. But even on this podcast, sometimes we're like, oh, we gotta make sure that this Oh, that's true. Hypocrite.
Speaker 1:Hypocrite. I yeah, I guess okay. So, well, I was gonna say, well, podcast is different but is it? I don't know, maybe not.
Speaker 2:It's it's okay. Here the thing is, I get it. It doesn't have to be fully rational but it just maybe feels weird. Because when you're talking to someone, like, you're not, like, really, like, modulating your thoughts. You maybe are, like, talking to them.
Speaker 2:Because there are some scenarios where you just met someone, you're gonna be, like, a little more cautious about what you say. You know someone really well. Yeah. Like, you change what you're gonna say. And I think whether it's recorded or not would also affect your thought process.
Speaker 2:And if you find out it's recorded and you didn't know that ahead of time, then that feels like a little intrusive in some ways. I see. The same as like getting on a video call. And usually people ask if you're on a sales call and they record them, they usually ask, okay, do you mind if I record this call? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Not because they're expecting anyone to be like, no, just so like you know that they're doing that. Yeah. I'm pretty sure a bunch of states have laws, right? Have I was gonna
Speaker 1:ask if there's a legal protection.
Speaker 2:Because one it's kinda like one party consent or something. It's something like that where Yeah. Some states you just need one person to consent to the recording, other states you need both parties to. So Yeah. I don't know how this works in practice.
Speaker 2:I think it's I love their their current product. I mean, I I don't I don't I can't use it because I'm on Linux. But I think someone should build an open source version of it. I think there's a lot of opportunity there. I actually looked it up.
Speaker 2:Think someone is doing it but they're doing it in Python which means like, slow. They'll hundred nine hundred steps to install it and it's super slow and then it's gonna fill your OS up with a bunch of dependencies. Yeah. I love that idea and I think that that's like reasonable. Like I'm I'm sure you'll capture video calls that maybe people don't expect but, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's a little tricky but you can just always tell people that you're you're recording.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But you think it's strange that they're going into the physical world with the the pendant.
Speaker 2:I think it's cool and I want them to try it. I don't think I would get one. I think I would find it a little weird if I saw someone wearing one and I was
Speaker 1:talking to them. But I like Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just kinda wanna see. Maybe I'm wrong and, like, ends up being a very universal thing. Yeah. A very normal thing.
Speaker 1:I guess I don't ever I never thought of it as, like, everyone would want this. I just feel like I have a a specifically bad memory. I don't know what that's about. Maybe I'm just really good at forgetting stuff, and that's a feature to your point. I don't I literally can't think of any trauma in my life.
Speaker 2:So Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1:Maybe there's something to that.
Speaker 2:In this Black Mirror episode it's funny because it kinda goes both ways. In this Black Mirror episode, like, it was a while ago, so I remember exactly. But I remember they're like at a party and his wife like looks at this other guy, just like looks at like a like a brief exchange. Yeah. And the guy found it like maybe a little weird.
Speaker 2:In real life, you'd find it a little weird then you kind of forget about it. Yeah. But he kept replaying it and looking at it and he eventually unraveled that his wife was having an affair or something.
Speaker 1:Oh, jeez.
Speaker 2:It did technically help him It did help him.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But
Speaker 2:Yeah. But I think it was
Speaker 1:Drove him crazy.
Speaker 2:But I think the thing also caused their relationship to go bad, you know, caused this whole thing. So Yeah. Yeah. Especially during fights. Like, I really don't know if a fight should be recorded.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That I get. Like, there's nothing rational about most fights. It's like, you know, I, like, go back and try to figure out Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like, well, you technically said this.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That that it's no good. Yeah. Yeah. I I honestly wanted it for innocent purposes just like so I could remember stuff.
Speaker 1:And, like and even like memories. Just like we take a lot of photos and videos of the kids, but it'd be cool to know that, like, every moment was captured. We just have to go back and curate it.
Speaker 2:You guys have the cameras in your house, though.
Speaker 1:We do. Yeah. Angle. But No. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a there there's, like, a a the two days ago, we were doing some mulching. And, like, we decided, but I have a new stance on some of this stuff. I used to be, like, hardcore. I pay people to do labor. I'm not gonna, like, do stuff that I could just pay someone to do because my time is valuable or whatever.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:I used to be really hard on that. And now, like, we've realized we just need stuff to do with the kids. Like, need activities, and they actually do really well with, like, work. Like, when it's like, here's a task. I need you to do this.
Speaker 1:They're, like, they're super helpful. That's better for their little minds. Like, they're just not so bouncing off the walls and going crazy, not bored or whatever it is they get. So, yeah, we used to, like, mulch the house every year or twice a year, and it's like it's like $1,500 or something to bring in all new mulch and the labor and all that. We went to the local hardware store, and it was, like, $200 to get, like, four scoops of mulch.
Speaker 1:And now we're just like spreading it everywhere, and they're having a blast. But it's I got to this because archer is just so cute when he's doing it. Like, he's riding around on his bike, kind of like being the message boy. Like, we need infinity more loads, dad. So he keeps going back and forth between me and Casey.
Speaker 1:Casey's kinda like spreading. Doing the spreading. I'm doing the He was supply chain. Yeah. He's the supply chain.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. He's the manager. But I had that thought a couple nights ago as we're doing it. Like, I I wanna watch the video here because I we've got three different cameras picking up this process of him riding back and forth and yelling at us.
Speaker 2:Cute.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I just thought, like, I'm glad we have all these recordings. I can actually go
Speaker 2:back and look at that. Yeah. I feel that way too because I've I have a really I have like no habit with pulling out my phone and like remembering to pull it out and like take a video or take a picture. I'm always like, oh, I should record that. And I gotta remember later.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it'd be cool to have something passive that lets me pull it up. But in terms of like forgetting information, do you feel like there's a lot of information coming at you in the real world that you're forgetting? Because I think for me, I feel that same way where I'm like, forget stuff a lot and I wish I had something helping me with that. But most of that is sourced from my computer like, some of it that's sourced elsewhere, but I feel like most of the information is on my computer.
Speaker 1:So I I guess, like, I've worried that I don't balance I don't balance the work life memory very well. Like, I feel like I do remember a lot of stuff about obscure technologies or just random stuff that I learn on Twitter. Yeah. And Casey will point out that, like, I could tell you the score of, like, most of my high school football games. Like, I have weird things in my memory, but then, like, she'll tell me something that is important to her.
Speaker 1:And, like, we're doing this next week on Tuesday, and I will completely forget. So I do feel like it's that meme of the guy with the brain full of Yeah. The the name like, full of jujitsu style. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 1:So I'm not fitting all the stuff in there that I should fit in there. And it's hard because there's, like, stuff for work that I do need to hold in that memory. Yeah. And sometimes it feels like there's a lot going on in the professional life. And some of the personal stuff is just hard to remember.
Speaker 1:And honestly, it's like, if I don't remember, like, we're gonna end up going still. And I guess my brain just knows I don't really need to store that. Casey's gonna make sure at 03:00 we go to the thing. Is that an awful, like, jerk move in a relationship to be like, you got that. But sure.
Speaker 2:I okay. I have a question for you.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:So this seems to be an extremely common dynamic and there's like memes and TikToks and everything about it. Are you constantly misplacing stuff around the house and does your wife always know exactly where it is?
Speaker 1:I don't know that I misplace stuff around the house a lot.
Speaker 2:You think she moves it around?
Speaker 1:No. I'm pretty no. I'm just pretty good about like, I know where I leave a thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I will say she has to find everything in the house. She says, I look. She searches. Like, I look in the fridge. I'm like, we don't have any.
Speaker 1:And she comes in and she moves one thing over and she's like, it's right there. Yeah. That's called searching for it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. That's the problem. The feeling I get is like, look at there's this classic TikTok where like, the husband looks in the fridge and the wife comes over and it like seems to materialize that it's been there, like it was there the whole time. That's that's the exact feeling I have because I'm like, looked at this a 100 times and I just didn't see it.
Speaker 2:Yes. And and I do wonder if this is this is like so common, like every single couple we know, like, describes the exact same thing. So I do wonder if there's some, like, like, deep genetic thing going on here.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What is it? I've seen the memes about, like, men in relationship not being able to find anything. There have been so many times where I come back to Casey across the house. I'm like, I looked every it's not there.
Speaker 1:We don't have that anymore. And then she can walk right in the room and grab it.
Speaker 2:And Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know what that's about.
Speaker 2:Liz says it's like a hunter gatherer thing where, like, if you're if you're a gatherer, you gotta, like, keep track of all these things and know where everything is and know where the thing grows and and find it and organize it.
Speaker 1:How exactly are we, Dex, me and you, using our hunting skills?
Speaker 2:I mostly just kill people on Twitter. I think that's that's my that's me hunting.
Speaker 1:I just think of, like, hunters. So they have, like, really good, like, reflexes and, like, seeing stuff moving. And I just, like, I don't know how I'm using that if if that's what I've got.
Speaker 2:I guess they're good at finding patterns and herds of animals. That is that everyone's
Speaker 1:understanding? Don't know.
Speaker 2:The gatherer stuff definitely feels way more practically useful
Speaker 1:Yeah. Today. No. For sure.
Speaker 2:That's a that's a lot of the theory but, yeah, I don't get it. Like, I it to me, it it really feels like, wow, I actually have like an inability it's like it's like one of the few times in my life where I'm like, this is just a a lacking that I have and I don't know how to make it better. I feel like almost like just in like so, like, helpless incompetent when it comes to this.
Speaker 1:Like, I'm trying. I'm trying as hard as I can. Yeah. I don't know. I can't try any harder.
Speaker 2:It's weird.
Speaker 1:How's how's tech? How are things? I'm actually doing a lot of stuff with tech, I guess. I'm just not really plugged into the broader community. Like, I'm missing everything.
Speaker 2:I feel like there's times in your life where you're, like, discovering a bunch of things because you don't have anything to really use it on.
Speaker 1:So you're, like,
Speaker 2:learning a bunch of new stuff, experimenting. Then you end up like reaping all that where you're like, okay, now I have to actually do something so you Yeah. Are focused and you're just building you picked your tools and you're building with it. I don't really think that much is happening. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do we already talk about the Cloudflare stuff? I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the they got the LLM stuff and then was there more stuff in their ship week?
Speaker 2:There was a lot of stuff. Yeah. The LLM was a was a big thing. I still remember the rest but
Speaker 1:Are you shifting SSD to build on top of Claptor?
Speaker 2:Go ahead. One of the, one of the things that they added was, or they kind of simplified even further the whole like CPU billing model. I think that's like crazy revolutionary where now it's like very truly, you're only billed for the CPU time that you use, you're not billed for any network requests or any IO waiting Yeah. Which I think is insane. And I'm looking forward to AWS trying to trying to get
Speaker 1:there Yeah. As think AWS will will do there will go there?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think they have to, right? Because their whole culture is margin destruction so
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If they don't, they are now officially a different kind of company, I think. If they don't, like, continue to chase, like, reducing that down to zero.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I wonder how many, like, how much of the AWS customer base because they're so focused on, like, what customers are asking for. I wonder how much of the AWS customer base is aware of Cloudflare offerings and, like, is that driving further innovation at AWS because they have to compete with these types of things. Like, are their customers being like, hey. Why does Lambda charge me when I make a network request?
Speaker 1:Cloudflare doesn't.
Speaker 2:This is not in the category of customer stuff because a customer will never like bring it up in in this sophisticated way. I think it it falls into the overall culture of like, they just have to be the cheapest and if someone Yeah. Else is they have to be the one ruining other people's margins. It can't be the other way around. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's like their whole business. But yeah, I don't know, like, with their current like, knowing the how it's built in the back end, I actually don't know if they can do this given their current scope. Because Cloudflare scope is just JavaScript functions and they built very a very JavaScript Oh. Specific platform
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Where it really where they can like very easily schedule other work while it while your JavaScript code is waiting on IO.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, I don't know if AWS is set up in the same way. I don't think a lot of people are using Cloudflare still. I think it's an extremely interesting platform that can do a lot and you can probably build like very high quality things. But I don't think really anyone is doing that yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So at some point, I think I will build something on Cloudflare, like fully on Cloudflare. Mhmm. And we'll probably bring that'll probably result in me building a bunch of SSD tooling to do that well. And maybe that can help like bring it to more people. But yeah, right now it's just it's very like definitely niche.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. I I saw you I asked that question because I saw you tweet something about, Cloudflare announces stuff and it makes you question your whole career or something along
Speaker 2:those Yeah. It's like their their launch weeks are the ones where I'm like kind of nervous where I'm like, okay, they can actually announce stuff that just means I have to think about things extremely differently or shift what I'm doing Yeah. That kind of changes the landscape. But and then they do and I would say this week they did. It just it's weird.
Speaker 2:It's like all there but like the last mile of it making make actually making into people's hands, I don't feel like it has happened as much.
Speaker 1:So what that's I'm just realizing I've never seen like Cloudflare on like market share statistics. Like, where is Cloudflare adoption and where is that information? Have you heard anything?
Speaker 2:No. Because this is all new for them. Right? Like, their their angle is they sell this completely different product and now they're trying to expand it into being a good general purpose cloud to build everything on.
Speaker 1:Oh, wait. What did they start with?
Speaker 2:Just networking stuff. So like, firewalls, the DNS, the DDoS protection. Right.
Speaker 1:So that was their that's how they started and now they're moving into the broader compute platform.
Speaker 2:Like, they have a bunch of really useful stuff for, like, enterprise y companies, like, all the, like, Zero Trust VPN things, like, just stuff that, again, like you're building something new, you just maybe it's not something you care about but
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a weird tragedy because you would never really have expected this company that builds a firewall to like pivot into offering like one of the best like, complete cloud platforms that are out there. Like everyone yeah, right. And the market share thing is always like, here's AWS and here's GCP and here's Azure. Yeah. And I don't think GCP and Azure are real threats to Amazon.
Speaker 2:Like, they're just kind of the same business and they'll kind of split the pie in some way whereas Cloudflare has a shot of being like, no, this is like this is like the next generation and if we're successful, then the majority of stuff will be built on us. Obviously, like very small chance of actually pulling that off but there is a chance with the the approach they're taking.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Disclaimer, Dax is an investor in Cloudflare. Sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh, speaking of investor stuff, Oh. I guess I gotta figure out I guess I
Speaker 1:can talk about this because I can, like, maybe not mention specifics. But so I've invested in a few companies.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. I'm aware. None of the companies have died yet. One of them has given me a return. And then last week, the sec a second one
Speaker 1:Given you a return? Wait. Wait. Wait. Like, exited or, like, you're out of the position, you got a return?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:What's that? I sold to, like, I sold to
Speaker 1:Oh, gotcha.
Speaker 2:New investors. Yeah. Because I thought the company was garbage. And I somehow got new investors and I was like, I'm out of here. Like, see you.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love it. Okay.
Speaker 2:I like a little bit over doubled my money, which is not bad.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And there's another company that, I consulted for for a little bit and ended up investing in them before I left. They actually just weren't really going anywhere. They've been around for a while. I just had not heard anything from them, so I just assumed that Yeah. It like wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 2:But then randomly, like a year ago, they raced some like crazy round and a bunch of celebrities were involved in it and I was like, I don't really get what's going
Speaker 1:on here. Is it crypto? No.
Speaker 2:No. It's not crypto. It's in the music space. Well, it's funny you say that because, I heard news last week that it was acquired by Jack Dorsey.
Speaker 1:Are you serious?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So
Speaker 1:you're gonna get some kind of a check-in the mail? How's that work when you invest in a company?
Speaker 2:So here's the thing. It's it's it's a split of cash. So I get, like, some percent in cash and I get some percent in stock. So I am now a shareholder in Block, which which I was like, But this is then I remembered, oh, shit, they own Square, which is a real company.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They
Speaker 2:own Tidal also. And, and now they own this.
Speaker 1:Oh, Tidal the music streaming
Speaker 2:thing? Yeah. So I thought it was like because I I know Block was like his random like crypto thing he was doing, but I didn't realize he rolled in he rolled up Square into it too, which is like a real company. So these shares are not like I could like sell them today probably.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. So you're like I mean, you're like, as far as VCs go or investors You're doing great. Do you own a Patagonia vest?
Speaker 2:No. I don't. I have a Patagonia vest. You're gonna
Speaker 1:need to go ahead and get that. Let's get the vest, the puffy vest in the mail. Let's get that on
Speaker 2:the way because it's the
Speaker 1:official attire of all investors.
Speaker 2:Man, I don't I just don't wanna be an investor at all. I think being here's the thing. I think being an investor is like the dumbest job and I can't believe people aspire to it. I I like see like, kids coming out of, high school or, like, college that they're like, I'm gonna be an investor.
Speaker 1:I'm like, this is just so People, like, want to be it. I just thought, like, people fell into it. Like, the right connections, something.
Speaker 2:People aspire to it because VCs are kind of good at the image that they can conjure themselves is very appealing to like a 20 year old, I think.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:They're they're always like, we have the money and we predict the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's like basically their whole thing is they gotta convince people. It's it's kinda like a founder in that, like, they're just constantly raising money and, like, using their people skills to convince rich people to put money into their fund. Right? And then the actual, like, investing part is all just like the lottery.
Speaker 1:Right? They're just throwing money at stuff.
Speaker 2:The work I mean, it it here's how it works. It's like in every VC circle, like in the VC circle in general, at any given time, there's like a bunch of hot investments that everyone agrees is a good bet and there's space for three investors and everyone is fighting to get those deals. So the majority of their time is spent convincing founders to pick them and sell someone else. Yeah. Whereas I think they they like, they portray it as like, oh, like, we saw the future and we placed a bet on this company and nobody else Yeah.
Speaker 2:Thought to bet on them, which happens sometimes, like the true contrarian bet. But like most VCs aren't like making contrarian bets, they're all trying to get in line. The consensus deal. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the reason I know that young people are into this is there's so many like, Gen Z VC like groups and like, and when whenever you talk to some of these VC funds like, they'd send like their quote unquote associates or they try to send their associates, like, he's like never bothered talking to an associate because whatever. They're just like some random kid that just graduated college trying to ask you questions about your business and it's just like the dumbest waste of time ever. It's just so weird to me that people like You have the option of being a founder, being a VC and I'm just like blown away that it's at all appealing
Speaker 1:To be a VC.
Speaker 2:To be a VC. It's just like it's like a very dorky job to me. Don't know.
Speaker 1:It just occurred to me I'm probably gonna be a VC someday. Oh, man. It's just like gonna happen. It's gonna be in my future at some point. I can just see it.
Speaker 2:A VC you think you're gonna, like, you think you would join, like, a VC fund?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:How is that gonna happen? Are you gonna be, like, meeting founders out in Missouri? No.
Speaker 1:I'll just do everything remote. I'll do the Zoom thing. I I just I I I don't know why I think this is gonna happen. It just seems like I'm not gonna be a a professional software developer when I'm 50, and I'm gonna have to do something. And I'm gonna have been in the startup space for, like, thirty years, and I'm gonna end up being some kind of an investor.
Speaker 1:I can just see it now.
Speaker 2:That's okay to retire into being a VC. That's that's very different than aspiring to be make that your primary thing, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Maybe maybe just being in the Ozarks. Maybe that'll eliminate that from my future. Maybe you're right. Maybe I just cannot worry about it because I can't I can't do the whole just deal flow and and smooshing if I'm in The Ozarks.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, who knew? You might not
Speaker 2:be in The Ozarks in thirty years.
Speaker 1:Yes, I will.
Speaker 2:The Ozarks are gonna be underwater in thirty years. Stop it.
Speaker 1:If The Ozarks are underwater, we're in trouble.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. I'm buying a submarine, Asaph. It's funny though because that that line is always like a thing that's been around forever. My old apartment, so in my apartment in New York, it's right on the water.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And when I was moving in there, I remember searching and I think I was searching like the building or whatever and this was around in 02/2016. And I found a forum thread from 2005 where people are talking about the building or something and they're like, that area and they're like, do not buy real estate here. Like, it's all gonna be underwater in ten years. Oh, Goldman too Sachs is building a building, a giant building across the water and it's gonna create it's like crazy wind tunnel and it's gonna be like the worst thing ever and it's been and I and I moved there, I guess, yeah, ten or twelve years after that post and yeah, it was completely fine.
Speaker 2:The Goldman Sachs hours there and and no crazy rinse on all or anything. People were so certain that that was like completely screwed. I know and I'm not about to dismiss everything, I'm sure like like, of course, like stuff is gonna happen. It's just like the confidence in the predictions of like
Speaker 1:specific timelines are just are funny to look back on. Yeah. Dude, can we check-in on climate change? I feel like I never hear anything anymore about climate change. It's just other stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2:Because because we solved it. It's done.
Speaker 1:Did we? No. Oh. We did.
Speaker 2:We almost did with LK 99.
Speaker 1:Oh, almost. What a moment. I know. That would have solved everything. But is there, like, there, like, progress?
Speaker 1:Is it not a thing we should be worried about? Are our kids gonna have an earth to live on?
Speaker 2:I think there's some stuff because there's a I mean, you saw this stuff in New York, the flooding.
Speaker 1:Mm-mm. I did not.
Speaker 2:So New York City and this is like, I think
Speaker 1:Oh, no. Your apartment's underwater. Did it really happen? They were just five years late or early?
Speaker 2:To be fair, the situation in New York is really complicated. It's not like, oh, this is because of climate change. It's New York has, like, some of the oldest infrastructure in the country. Yeah. Like it's so crazy common.
Speaker 2:The problem is so crazy complicated. Like, so nowadays, cities have separate lines for sewage and for like like drain water for rain. Mhmm. Which makes sense. But back in the day, wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2:There was just one pipe for everything. So now, in New York, when it rains heavily, the sewers get backed up, which means your toilets get backed up. And then stuff just starts flooded. They they do like emergency dumps into the Hudson and and all this stuff. It's a really complicated situation because like, nothing is more complicated than digging up stuff in New York City
Speaker 1:Oh, no kidding.
Speaker 2:And like figuring one, like, don't even know what's under the ground because the history is like, some of it was publicly built, some of it was privately built, some of it's like documented, some of it's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just massive, so so much money to do that, so much disruption to like tear stuff up and and and replace it. It just like it just seems like an impossible, very, very difficult problem. So they they they have had these crazy floods the past couple years, because like the
Speaker 1:that whole system is under a lot of shit. Like describe crazy flood to me. Like streets or underwater, what's
Speaker 2:going on? Just like like cars are, like, driving through, like, the Oh, Getting a little fight? He's cranky. They took away all his toys.
Speaker 1:Oh, no.
Speaker 2:They sitting on your desk? You're squeaking them too hard. Yeah. Exactly. There's like just several feet of water that cars are driving through in some places and like just like some
Speaker 1:Just after heavy rains, not like a seawater thing. Just like.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But the the heavy rains are technically climate related. Mhmm. But, like, obviously, like, if the city had normal infrastructure, it would handle it fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it got, like, crazy political too. People are, like, posting all this, like, weird political stuff that's completely unrelated. They're like, this is because of the immigrants.
Speaker 1:I just can't with the, like, politicizing climate stuff. Just like with any topic, I just hate it. It like, I don't it doesn't mean I believe something about some political party just because I, I don't know, care about a certain issue. Climate change seems like one I can care about because, I don't know, I have kids, and I wanna make sure fifty years from now, things aren't just a barren wasteland. So when it felt like, like, year ago, it felt like it was really a pressing topic.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's just because I haven't been as plugged into media sources. But I don't I don't remember the last time I read anything about, like, progress, I don't know, current forecasts. Do you know anything? Is this an issue you don't really worry about? We're gonna solve it.
Speaker 1:Humans are awesome.
Speaker 2:I'm fairly optimistic about the whole thing as I am with most things. But my friend works he, like, works in this space. He specifically is focused on, like, how do we make carbon, markets like a viable thing. And it's extremely, extremely interesting in two ways. So the first is it's crazy complicated.
Speaker 2:That's why I hate seeing like random people talk about this stuff because it's like so much more complicated than this. The thing he talks about is like, okay, carbon offsets. Is that a thing that can work? So can you produce carbon somewhere
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And then buy, or like invest in something that reduces carbon somewhere else?
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:So you have one side of the argument that's like, just kinda like overly ideological where like, no, people just want that so they can continue to like, you know, use energy and not care. There's whole faction of people that believe that we need to punish ourselves and there's no other way out
Speaker 1:of this thing if we don't do that. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But then what he talks about is, a 100% he believes it can work but it's extremely complicated because it's so hard to track like second, third order effects. Yeah. Where like if you plant a tree, does that cause like a farmer somewhere else to like cut a tree because they need more space for land or like, if you do this one action, does it increase the price of this good which causes like the market to react to then like do stuff to produce more of it. Yeah. So he works on like figuring out all of those things.
Speaker 2:But the thing that's interesting is people focus way too much on like the politics of this and obviously when it comes to politics, it feels like nothing is happening. What's crazy is the private industry, and talking to him, he he he confirms this, they're like way ahead of all the politics stuff. Like there's like a lot of consensus in just the business world that we do need to decarbonize just from like a incentive purpose, like this is coming. And there's like very unique opportunities to take advantage of it if you're the first. So he's working with this company that makes fertilizer in Europe and they are investing in a massive solar farm, I forgot, it's some country in Africa and there's like very few people there, it's like hard to live in,
Speaker 1:it's like
Speaker 2:a desert area. But they're investing a lot in that to like move their operations, to produce the fertilizer there because it's way cheaper for them. Crazy market advantage while also like decarbonizing like like crazy because fertilizer like takes a lot of carbon to produce. But it's never been done before so that there's like a lot to figure out. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But there's just so much movement in the private world because they're just natural incentives to If you believe that this is gonna be a thing that you have to care about and you're eventually gonna be forced to do this anyway, the early movers are gonna have crazy advantages. Where like if you're too late to decarbonize and some regulation comes out, like you're not gonna be able to catch a security lower already starting the process, right?
Speaker 1:That makes sense.
Speaker 2:So yeah, there's just so much it's just a very complicated thing. I think people expect like, the politicians just need to sign one law and if they do that, then everything will be fixed. But it's like a billion little industries that each need to like figure out like first of its kind Yeah. Type of solutions. But that is happening.
Speaker 2:So I do feel very optimistic about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I generally am optimistic on it. I didn't have as much detail as you did or context. I just feel like humans are good at solving problems and it can seem really bad, but we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Could you ask your friend, if my solar array offsets about 70,000 pounds of c o two a year, how much money is that worth in the carbon markets? I would like to know because I will sell it to the highest bidder.
Speaker 2:Wait. But you that only offsets it if someone uses it. Right? I don't
Speaker 1:know. It's just what the app says. It just tells me It tells me the app tells me how much c o two is being Okay. Offset.
Speaker 2:Let's say you produce a thousand units of energy Uh-huh. And you use 200. Yep. And if you had done nothing, you would have just used 200 of like coal burning energy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that 800 is see, this is why it's complicated. Like, the 800 only counts if it would have been used anyway, if it's just new energy that's produced that is now newly used. It's not really offsetting anything. It's just cleanly powering something new.
Speaker 1:Could you check with your friend just to make sure? Yeah. I'll ask him. I'll ask him. No.
Speaker 1:The the app, like, tells us all the c o two offset and how many trees are planted in equivalent. I guess there's no new trees actually being planted. But 500 a year if you're curious.
Speaker 2:We have a giant solar array. It's just stupid. Yeah. It's funny because on one hand it is comp like I said, these details are super complicated. But on the other hand, it's like shockingly simple in that we share one atmosphere and sucking carbon out in one area actually does like offset Yeah.
Speaker 2:Carbon produced like another side of the world. Like it is it is crazy that it actually is that simple.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That makes sense. Okay. That's enough on on the climate stuff. I'm gonna feel I'm gonna continue being optimistic.
Speaker 1:Oh, speaking of optimistic, so I've had, like I mean, you're I went to the emergency room with the stupid stomach Yeah. Infection or whatever. And then I have COVID now. And now because COVID is sucking the life out of my immune system it's been like two weeks almost now. Has it been two weeks?
Speaker 1:Almost two weeks. It's been a long time that I've got this stupid case of COVID. I've got the shingle tingle coming back. Have I have I told you I get shingles?
Speaker 2:Oh, you do?
Speaker 1:Well, I got them once in adulthood.
Speaker 2:Is it is this a thing where like it's because you didn't get chicken pox when you were a kid so you get get shingles
Speaker 1:I in got chicken pox as a kid. I don't know. But both my grandpa
Speaker 2:I did not.
Speaker 1:And my dad got shingles in adulthood. And it's been like three, four years ago, I got shingles real bad. It was all over my face.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:It was so painful. On my eyelid. Like, it was just Yeah. It was like one of the worst experiences of my life. And since then, I learned a lot about shingles.
Speaker 1:It's like lives in the nerves. It's like the chicken pox virus that lives in the nerves. And then any, like, high amount of stress or any stressor on your immune system can cause it to, like, come back out. And it manifests early on as like this tingling feeling. It's in my left hand and then the left side of my face, like my brow.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That just noticed last night, like so now I have to completely eliminate stress and try to, like, just like
Speaker 2:Calm down.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Calm down, meditate, be happy, and not get shingles. I do not wanna get shingles again. It was awful. I'm gonna travel this month, going to TwitchCon.
Speaker 1:Can't do that if I have shingles. That would not be fun. So, yeah, a lot riding on my current stress levels. But, like, how bad would that suck if I went from, like, emergency room, COVID, shingles all in, like, a month and right after I canceled my health insurance. Sorry.
Speaker 1:Go ahead.
Speaker 2:That's how like life works. I feel like it just stacks all the bad things together. And then and then you get like, you know, eight months of good time then you're back to
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Something bad for for three months. It's just that's how it works. I always thought shingles was something that older people got. Like Liz's grandma
Speaker 1:had got this. It sounds like an old person thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. She thinks she she had it like a year ago.
Speaker 1:A lot of people get it on like their rib cage. That sounds nice. I would take that. The face is not so fun. I've got pictures.
Speaker 1:I'll send you pictures. Don't put them on the Internet, please. It's awful from when it was on my face. It's like like the amount of swelling and just, like, angry, how red and angry they are, it's awful. It looked like I don't It looks like something from medieval times, like some kind of like like leprosy or boils or something.
Speaker 2:It's it's bad. It does sound like an old timey thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Seems like we I think you can actually get like a vaccine for it now where you can't get shingles anymore.
Speaker 2:I need to
Speaker 1:look into that.
Speaker 2:But it's already in your nerves. It might be too late for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Maybe too late for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They might they might they should just put you out of your misery,
Speaker 1:I think. Probably at this point. Yeah. Any more health scares and it's like, yeah, we're gonna put you down. We're we're putting it's been enough.
Speaker 1:You lived a good life.
Speaker 2:Bunch of people have COVID now. I've talked to a few people that have COVID.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I've learned there's a a bit of a flare up. I had forgotten, literally forgotten about COVID. I mean, my memory is terrible. You too?
Speaker 1:I feel like it was a thing of, like, 2020 and maybe 2021, but that was the thing of the past. And then turns out, still a thing you can buy test for and you can still get it.
Speaker 2:Here's a messed up thing. My, like, emotions around the COVID era are always gonna be very positive.
Speaker 1:Because you got to be at home all the time.
Speaker 2:Well, if I instinctively just, like, imagine it, it felt it was like a crazy time. Like, I was, me and Liz were making a lot of money. It was her first time working fully remotely, so like, we got to do a lot, we got to spend a lot more time together, which is great, right at the beginning of our relationship. Yeah. Nothing was very serious in terms of, in our lives at least, like we, we started to like live in Miami part time, which I started to like, going back and forth.
Speaker 2:Just a lot of like good stuff happened despite how annoying everything was. So yeah, like a part of me is always gonna be like, COVID. That was crazy. You know? As nice.
Speaker 2:As it is.
Speaker 1:Casey Casey really looks back fondly on it. It was like the first year and this is gonna sound awful.
Speaker 2:I don't know if my family
Speaker 1:listens to my podcast. Probably She was so excited. Like, we didn't have to go to Thanksgiving with anybody. Like, we just were home and didn't have to see anybody for a year, and that's just like her dream. It's like not interacting with people.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. It was just like all obligations were canceled indefinitely. That that was nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We watched so many movies like Movies. I think that similar with me and Liz, like, that was more my lifestyle. So like, kinda got to live more my lifestyle where we like just do stuff inside all day. So like the relationship shifted to be more like the kind of stuff that I want I like doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Does Liz look fondly back on COVID? That's what I need to ask.
Speaker 2:I think some parts of it, but overall, like she it was like very hard
Speaker 1:for her. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think it's very complicated for her because she also like lost a bunch of years of being able to live in New York. Because for her, was like, she lived for five years in New York, but then, like, half of them were, like, COVID years, which don't really count. So she feels like kinda like robbed of that.
Speaker 1:You guys were in New York during COVID?
Speaker 2:Yeah. The epicenter of COVID as all the all the news stations.
Speaker 1:That was a bad that was a bad time, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Okay. Here's what's really funny. Now that I don't live in New York, I'm understanding why the rest of the world is like, always freaking out because I go, I live in Miami, Florida. I go to the gym, what's on TV? News about New York.
Speaker 2:No matter where you live, it's just news about New York. It's just that, that's just like, if it's like local news and when you're bored of that, it's just New York news.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it always makes everything look so, so crazy. Like the flooding from like the past, the past week I was talking about like, it looked like New York was about to like get swallowed by, by the ocean. But like all my friends lived there and they were like, oh yeah, it's fine. And I remember living in COVID I was living in New York during COVID and technically it was like, whatever the epicenter but that's just because like we just went through our spike earlier than everyone else. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And yeah, it was like kind of intense and that was early on when we like knew the least. But it also, like, was not as crazy as people. People would, like, talk
Speaker 1:to us being, oh my god, like, are you guys okay? Like, it just it's
Speaker 2:just normal. But, like, everyone just gets the news
Speaker 1:of New York. So it just feels like this funny thing. Yeah. I remember, like, when the big wave hit New York, it was like pop up hospitals and, like, body bags in the streets. That was like the news perception.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Know.
Speaker 1:So bad.
Speaker 2:Well, what's funny is, I actually got you know, do you remember that floating hospital?
Speaker 1:The No.
Speaker 2:The navy ship that they sent over? Oh. They they sent over this like navy hospital type of thing where it's like a Yeah. Like a giant carrier but it's just, just for medical stuff. And I saw it go by my house, like by my car.
Speaker 2:Oh, please. And I saw it like go up to Hudson and I was like, there's that thing that trips Wow. The I don't know how useful it was. I think it like I think they just put overflow for like non COVID issues into there. Because that was the main problem that hospital's getting overwhelmed with.
Speaker 2:Non COVID and COVID. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Couldn't get like your gallbladder removed because the COVID COVID took over the hospital kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But overall, like, I don't know, like the city, I feel like
Speaker 1:handled it handled it pretty well and Didn't every did it become like a ghost town? That was the other thing I remember about New York was hearing that nobody was there anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Which to me was also kind of cool because we me and Liz would do these walks where we just walk from our apartment all the way to like we'd walk for like an hour or two. Yeah. And we would just walk in the middle.
Speaker 1:Who the fuck is it going? It's like a whale. It sounds like a blue
Speaker 2:He's so spoiled. He's, like, crying because he doesn't have his toys.
Speaker 1:So you're walking through the streets of New York. I'm picturing the movie I Am Legend. It's like Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's kinda like that because we we we would just walk through the middle of the street. Walking around. No. Not long enough for nature to reclaim, but
Speaker 1:Well, there was some of that too, not New York. But do you remember some of that?
Speaker 2:Like, know, some
Speaker 1:of national parks and stuff, like, the animals were like, what's going on? The humans are gone. Yeah. Liz
Speaker 2:picked up biking, like, bought a bike and it was like, you know, it's like a very nice way to learn how to bike in New York when there's no cars and very like safe to do that. Yeah. So yeah, just stuff like that. Like it was it was kind of cool to be there where how many people are gonna be able to experience New York where it's Yeah. As big and crazy as New York is but like Calm.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, it's very calm. And you
Speaker 1:can kind of these like,
Speaker 2:oh, another great thing we would do, we would bike over the Brooklyn Bridge all the time and normally it's like Wow. Completely annoying. It just fill with tourists that like don't know where they're going and get in your way. We would bike like once a week across it and it was awesome. And to me, it felt like going to Disney World when, like during off season when like
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:Everything is just easy and not annoying, you know, like that type of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I feel like there's a there's a romantic comedy movie that could be like your life during COVID in New York. You guys riding bikes across the bridge and such a good time. But it's it's a tough time, you know. It's a good time but a tough time.
Speaker 1:There's a movie there. I don't know.
Speaker 2:There is. Yeah. I mean, there there was just like the tough part for me was the arbitrary rules that made no sense. Mhmm. Again, I just hate that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:But that was just, like, kinda aggravating. Like, our building just had all these stupid rules that, like, just did not make any sense at all. It just made our lives harder. But, yeah, besides that Other
Speaker 1:than that, great time.
Speaker 2:I I appreciate it. I appreciate the uniqueness.
Speaker 1:There's all the suffering and the human toll. But other than that, really recommend it.
Speaker 2:The body bags in the streets as as all you people saw in the news.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I can't believe you live in Miami, Florida. All this time, I thought you were in Miami, Ohio. I don't know. But I've never heard you say it out loud.
Speaker 1:Midwest.
Speaker 2:Why why does the Midwest name stuff after other stuff? That's, like, in more important places.
Speaker 1:That Miami, Florida came first. Are we positive?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, actually, no. I I guess not because Miami is somewhat new. But here's the thing. It's it's I mean, Florida actually does this a lot.
Speaker 2:Like, we have, Saint Petersburg.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Russia.
Speaker 2:Florida. It was like, why? Yeah. Why?
Speaker 1:Is there a lot are there a lot of Russians in Saint Petersburg, Florida?
Speaker 2:It's weird to me because you just make it less important. Like, you're already less important.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You're now Like, there's already The second most important city with your name
Speaker 2:Yeah. At the best. We also have, like, another funny one is Jupiter. Why did you name it after a planet? Like, that doesn't make any sense either.
Speaker 2:Jupiter, Florida?
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 2:Florida is a lot. I think there's there's like a Paris also.
Speaker 1:There's a
Speaker 2:Paris in the Midwest somewhere.
Speaker 1:There's a Mexico, Missouri. What else is there? There's definitely some of those in Missouri I've seen.
Speaker 2:Also, street names repeat way too much. I, there's a street by me called Tiger Tail Ave and I'm like, oh, this is like a crazy street name. I was picking up lifts in the airport, like in like forty five minutes away. I took a wrong turn and ended up in some, like, warehouse backstreet, Tiger Tail app.
Speaker 1:Like, what the what? What? Like, that's a very odd name to be duplicated. Yeah. Just start making up words.
Speaker 2:Just numbers.
Speaker 1:Just numbers. One through 200,000 if it takes it. Whatever. Yeah. Big cities.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what New York does. And to be honest, I'm really bad with directions and it was really helpful that in New York, for the most part, if you're on 50 Fourth Street, you wanna go to 50 Fifth Street, you go up. Yeah. You wanna go to 50 Third, you go down. Very, very easy and straightforward.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like, you don't have to memorize like all these bespoke names.
Speaker 1:It's just like Broadway and Are there others?
Speaker 2:Got a few. We got we have we have a few name streets like below a certain level like there's like Lafayette
Speaker 1:and like a bunch of
Speaker 2:like name streets but good portion of it, pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We don't have like streets in The Ozarks that No. Of course not.
Speaker 2:Of course you don't have streets.
Speaker 1:We have state and county highways.
Speaker 2:You guys have dirt roads.
Speaker 1:On Highway 160.
Speaker 2:For the horse and buggy
Speaker 1:rides. Dirt roads. We do have a lot of dirt roads. Wait, is that are you just joking? Because we do have dirt roads.
Speaker 1:I don't know
Speaker 2:if you No. I'm not You haven't been on joking. I'm just making fun of you guys.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Have I been on a dirt road?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I don't know. Is that like a thing in cities people have never experienced?
Speaker 2:It's funny because I'm not really from the city.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. You're
Speaker 2:from I I grew up in
Speaker 1:well, yes.
Speaker 2:Yes. My my thousand year old family in India that have all been farmers for, you know, thousands plural of year plural years.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You're really messing that up
Speaker 2:for your family. But But, you know, where
Speaker 1:I grew
Speaker 2:up in New Jersey, people think of New Jersey as as a as this like toxic dump wasteland, which it is.
Speaker 1:It's like a beautiful it's the garden state. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's green But actually is like, I would say a third of New Jersey is that like wasteland that people imagine because
Speaker 1:It's it's like just basically New York City.
Speaker 2:And New York's like New York's trash.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Where it like just fills over into New Jersey. But the rest of the state, it's like Upstate New York. Right? Similar geography wise?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So we have, like, these, like, rolling mountains
Speaker 1:and Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, I grew up in a very, like, farm y rural town
Speaker 1:with dirt With dirt roads. Yeah. That's in high school, we'd, like, go back roading. You just, like, ride drive around on dirt roads. It's wild to look back and think of some of the things we did for fun in high school.
Speaker 1:That's really stupid.
Speaker 2:I miss it. I miss that stuff. Like, life was so simple and fun.
Speaker 1:It was. It was simple.
Speaker 2:Don't realize
Speaker 1:how simple you have it. Sorry. Go ahead.
Speaker 2:I know. They're just yeah. Can't go back though. It's impossible. Just give up.
Speaker 2:My friend was, we asked my friend the other day like when was your like when were your parents the most pissed at you? And he was like, well, that time my trucks my dad's truck I like took my dad's truck and it caught on fire. And we're like, what did you do? And he was like, well, I took it off a jump. And the first thing I was like, what do you mean off a jump?
Speaker 2:Like where I grew up, there weren't any jumps around. He grew up in Arizona and again, imagine like kind of like a flat desert. So I still maybe I don't know. Maybe there are little clips or something. But, yeah, he took it off and jumped and like the battery fell over.
Speaker 1:Oh my word.
Speaker 2:And the engine caught on And he was telling me that his parents still don't know what happened.
Speaker 1:I was just driving and it caught on fire.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Yeah. But yeah. I mean
Speaker 1:Hope they're not I mean, that
Speaker 2:sounds fun. Like, growing up in the desert where you can just do all kinds of wild crazy shit.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Yeah. One time my dad came home from work. It was just me and my older brother that were home. And we were we were shooting off I mean, this is innocent enough, but we were shooting off fireworks in the backyard.
Speaker 1:And we were, like, dropping we we had these empty tubes from, a playset, you know, like, that hold up the roof on a playset.
Speaker 2:And we were dropping
Speaker 1:the bottle rockets out in there. There's, a mortar kinda simulation. The the thing that sucked was he came home, we're out in the backyard doing this, and the trash can in the living room is on fire or in the kitchen because we had thrown away some matches or something and we didn't know and it was still on fire. So he comes home, no one's in the house, and, like, our kitchen trash can is up in flames. Like, what is going on?
Speaker 2:Oh, man.
Speaker 1:He's pretty
Speaker 2:mad. Gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1:He's just like Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm just because, like, thinking about it from his point of view, he just like, imagine you coming home and then, like, just something in your house is randomly on fire. Yeah. Like, that's like real nothing that chaotic happens at all in
Speaker 1:It real takes kids to introduce
Speaker 2:that You're kind of just gonna have that kind of thing all the time. It was wild.
Speaker 1:The kids just they just push every limit. Like, my eight year old now, that's the thing we're dealing with. It's like, literally every single thing he runs into in life, he thinks, how can I do something with this that's not intended? How can I, like, use this thing in a way it's not meant to be used? And it's just the amount of things that are broken on a daily basis or things that I'm like, you're gonna fall and hurt yourself really bad.
Speaker 1:It's just constant. But it's like it's a curiosity. You don't wanna, I guess, stifle it.
Speaker 2:Don't Yeah. No. It's definitely entertaining,
Speaker 1:Yeah. Probably. Sure.
Speaker 2:I just wanna be entertained. Yeah. And I That's all you want. Liz always says this about me. She's like, you just like you just like surrounding yourself with things that entertain you.
Speaker 2:And I don't understand how that's like an observation because I'm like, isn't that just what everyone is like? Like, why don't you wanna be entertained? Like, she she says that, like, the friends that I surround myself with are just people that I just find really entertaining. But I don't understand, like, what other type of people do
Speaker 1:Yeah. What would you want if not that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't really get it.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting observation, though. I I think other people probably have relationships for other reasons other than entertainment. So it might be a truth, but there might be something there. I'm gonna look at you through that lens now.
Speaker 2:I think it's a good trait because, when there are scenarios that are stressful that people get stressed in, I can like find a lot of joy because it's entertaining. Like, I don't mind if, like, has like an annoying girlfriend or something that's like I don't find it I find it entertaining that she's annoying everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You just like the spice of
Speaker 2:life. Stimulus.
Speaker 1:It's like COVID, awful time, millions of people died, all that. But it was pretty entertaining.
Speaker 2:But it was interesting.
Speaker 1:It was interesting.
Speaker 2:But it was not boring.
Speaker 1:Well, it
Speaker 2:kinda was boring.
Speaker 1:It's funny. Alright. That's enough entertaining for today. I think we've Okay. We've done all the entertaining we can do.
Speaker 1:Did I entertain you for this hour? Yes. I'll try
Speaker 2:to show up.
Speaker 1:That's why I show up.
Speaker 2:Twice a week.
Speaker 1:Gotta keep being entertaining. I'm gonna try. No pressure. Alright. I'm gonna go keep I'm gonna keep having COVID.
Speaker 1:So there you go.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's been a week?
Speaker 1:I think it's like a week and a half. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Everyone's saying this one takes said that this one's taking
Speaker 1:It a takes longer? Okay. I had my jujitsu tournament a week ago Saturday. I have not been on the mat since. I'm about to go insane.
Speaker 1:I can't just go in and give people COVID. I asked my wife. She said no. I just really, really wanna train. And my coach is like, you'll have plenty of time to train.
Speaker 1:Just get better. Like, no. I wanna I wanna do jujitsu. I'm watching YouTube.
Speaker 2:Why don't you have why don't you get, like, both your kids to attack you at once? That's like almost like a
Speaker 1:Almost like an adult. Yeah. An eight year
Speaker 2:old and
Speaker 1:a three year old. It'd be a challenge.
Speaker 2:Or you can ask Casey. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. I wanna get her a gi. I really want her to to get into it. She's she's interested.
Speaker 1:She thinks it'd be fun. Alright. I gotta pee.
Speaker 2:Cool. Alright. Thanks, Tas. See you. See you.
