Reacting to Miami + Launching a Company in the Terminal
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Adam:We're not messing around here,
Dax:you know? Yeah. There's no joke.
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Adam:Yeah. Exactly. We haven't said, like, on the podcast. I mean, we've revealed it all over the Internet. But our secret project, we're selling coffee, among other things, maybe, in the future.
Adam:But right now, coffee Yeah. From the terminal.
Dax:From the terminal.
Adam:All this and the ad read.
Dax:Yeah. I guess to just catch our listeners up for the people that somehow missed, like, the chaos of the last 2 weeks. So we all went down. And me and Adam have been hinting at the secret project for a little bit, and we revealed it this past week. Me, Adam, prime the Primagen, and TJ, well, met up in Miami at my house.
Dax:Everyone stayed here for for the week, and, yeah, we just got it launched. So what it is is it's an e commerce store, but unlike most stores it is not in the browser. It's in your terminal. So you just do shterminal.shop and you get something that looks like a typical e commerce experience, but you do it all all from your terminal. You can check out, buy the coffee right there.
Dax:So we're doing an initial run to see how it goes. Or we have a lot of exciting ideas. I think we have, like, way too many ideas. I think every single day we think of, like, an idea we wanna do, or we wanna take this. But, yeah, we just thought it was, one, just fun.
Dax:It's fun working on something like this, but nobody markets stuff to developers in this way. So we're hoping it it sticks.
Adam:Yeah. I think, there's a lot of excitement. It's I mean, we've had a great reception early on. We got to meet a lot of people in Miami and sell some coffee there. The coffee is delicious, I should say.
Adam:If you're into coffee, as I am, it's really good.
Dax:What's funny is, I don't know if you saw this person deleted their tweet, which I didn't think they had to, but they were like, so apparently, there's some service. It's called drip drip or drizzle. It's something like that. Something that sounds coffee like. Basically, it's like the if you're, like, any kind of influencer, you can just go and, like, slap your logo onto some crap, and you get something that looks like your own coffee blend.
Dax:And that's that's all they do. So I think for the people in the know, I think they assume that's what we did. And it's not what we did.
Adam:It's not what we did.
Dax:Yeah. This is actually, like, good coffee. Like, we went and we sourced it, and we did every single part of the process ourselves. And it also it. Yeah.
Dax:We packed it, which, you know, we're not gonna do long term. But, yeah, it's not gonna be some, like, BS coffee where we're just trying to sell it. We're trying to make something that's actually good that is competitive with what you would choose to buy anyway. And, of course, we're getting a lot of help. But, yeah, every like, we have like, like, David is working with us who is, handling all the design and branding.
Dax:And, yeah, you can just tell. For those of you that buy it and you get the package, like, you'll see that it's not just some low effort thing.
Adam:We're not messing around here, you know?
Dax:There's no joke.
Adam:There's no joke. Yeah. We I mean, it's been a lot of painstaking labor to this point. And we're close to to, like, opening it fully. So we've we've opened it to some select groups of people to place orders.
Adam:We're we're still working on a couple of things. But I think by the time you listen to this podcast, it should be available for everybody. So if we haven't sold out, which is possible
Dax:Do you think we'll sell out? Do I
Adam:think we'll sell out over the weekend? I don't know. We don't have that many I mean, we don't have that many bags. But I guess it's, I mean, it's still a lot of stock.
Dax:I think we will sell out. We'll see. But yeah. I also have no idea how many bags we have just because we've been, like, we gave a bunch away.
Adam:And Right.
Dax:So I'm gonna put a conservative limit. And then as I run out, I'm gonna be like, okay. We're sold out now.
Adam:The thing about this company, I I don't know. It wasn't real until we all were in Miami for me.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:Like, it was, like it was real in the sense that we'd put some time into some things and but, like, as a team, we hadn't been together in the same room. And it's just like there's no bad scenario here. Whether if we if it all flames out, like, this has already been so much fun, and just doing stuff with your friends, like building something like this, it's just a lot of fun. A lot of bonding happened over the week. Yeah.
Adam:I'm I'm happy no matter what happens at this point. Yeah.
Dax:Yeah. It's, it definitely makes me miss doing things in person. Yeah. You know, I think I think a lot of us are not doing that at all anymore. Yeah.
Dax:But there really isn't anything like getting together and trying to get something out. It's yeah. It's just it's a lot of fun.
Adam:Yeah. A lot of energy.
Dax:Yeah. I'm just excited to see, like like I said, like, with every business, it's always like you have all these ideas for things you really wanna do, but there's, like, this initial, like, setup phase, which sometimes takes years. Right? I think for something like this, it's not like that because it's we're not like really inventing anything new. It's like pretty straightforward what this setup is.
Dax:But once that's in place I'm excited to like, okay. Now we can actually do all all the fun stuff that we have in mind. So, yeah, I'm excited to get into that.
Adam:Same. What else is going on? I mean, we were just in Miami.
Dax:We just
Adam:we spent a week at your house in Miami.
Dax:That was your experience of Miami. And we were React Miami also. We should mention that.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. React Miami was great. The whole week was great. I think my experience in Miami.
Adam:So I've lived in South Florida, as you know. And I enjoy South Florida. I enjoy the warm weather. The mosquitoes ate me alive, so that that sucked. You know what I thought?
Dax:I was like, why didn't we just get you mosquito repellent for your legs? Like, by the second day, we knew that you were, like, very specifically being targeted. Okay. Just so for context, when I'm in my backyard, I usually get some mosquito bites. Nothing crazy, but I get some amount of them.
Dax:When Adam was here, I got literally none. And it's really hard to understand how many mosquito bites this man had. Like, your legs over a 100. Your legs looked horrible.
Adam:I looked like a leopard. It was awful. Yeah. I mean, I would come out on your back porch, and I could just see them coming. Like like, there they are.
Adam:They're slowly drifting to my legs. It was insane.
Dax:Yeah. It's crazy. I had a great time this week. I've never enjoyed my backyard that much because I had literally zero mosquito bites because they're all just after you.
Adam:I've just gotta hang out more, take all the heat.
Dax:Yeah. But, like, we should just we should just got you, like, mosquito repellent on your legs, and I think that would have just solved
Adam:the problem. That's what Casey said. She's like, you know that there's, like, spray for that. Right?
Dax:I was
Adam:like, I told her, like, there wasn't a lot of downtime. I don't I didn't really feel like we had a lot of time for, like, extra like, I'm gonna go grab mosquito repellent. I could've, I guess, but it felt pretty jam packed for, like, a week. The moments in my hotel room were literally just asleep, and a lot of nights that was 2 in the morning or whatever. Mhmm.
Adam:And then getting up at 7 or 8. It was it was packed. What was it packed for was it packed for you, or is it just when I was I just done
Dax:No. It was definitely packed for me. And, like, there was people saying in my house, so there's that Oh, yeah. Packed stuff too, like, getting yeah. It it was pretty packed.
Dax:There's also just a lot of, like, you just don't wanna miss out. Like, I don't wanna go do anything because I don't wanna miss out on, like, even, like, 10 minutes or whatever.
Adam:Like, the the last few nights, I felt like I should go to bed. I should just go back to my hotel and go to bed at a reasonable time. But it's like, I don't know, everybody's doing stuff. Let's do stuff. That sounds fun.
Adam:It's you know, it's a limited time. Like, you're gonna miss these moments and wish you could have gone back and, I don't know, take advantage of it.
Dax:You didn't experience this side of it. But what was really sad for me is so you're not like people would just hang out at my house just in general, like whenever there was any downtime. So we had a bunch of people just there. The last couple days, it was like that. And then you and Prime left and then Melki left and then someone else left.
Dax:So 1 by 1, like, it was just dwindling down, and it was really sad to say bye to everyone. That this last, like, 2 days. It was just 2 days of people slowly leaving, and I'm just I'm just like, never gonna see them again.
Adam:Well, on that note, when are we gonna can we do this, like, quarterly? What what do we what's the plan?
Dax:Yeah. I think we just need to find absolutely any excuse. I'm, like, really motivated too. But it sounds like Twitch We
Adam:really need to film some ads.
Dax:Yeah. It sounds like TwitchCon will be the next one. I think I will
Adam:go to that. Is that that's the fall, isn't it?
Dax:August. Yeah. Or September.
Adam:Oh, it's in August. September. September.
Dax:They haven't even announced the tickets yet, but they haven't announced the dates. Oh, okay. And maybe we can do one in the summer. My my summer is kinda crazy, but maybe we can do something.
Adam:Well, now I'm curious. Now I I don't know if it's too private. But what what what's you got going on in the summer? When you say your summer is crazy, I'm just curious.
Dax:So I don't travel a lot. So when I travel, like, more than a little, it it feels crazy. But Yeah. My so we're going to next week, we're going to Indiana for my brother's graduation.
Adam:Alright.
Dax:Then the end of the month, we're going to Barcelona, and Lisbon has, like, a Alright.
Adam:To 1000000. Yeah. Your summer's crazy.
Dax:And then I'm going to Maine in the beginning of the summer because Alan is getting married and that's when his girlfriend is doing or sorry, his fiancee is doing her bachelorette party and we might do something. Am I gonna stop by, visit my parents, go to New York, then go to Maine? Yeah. But then end of the summer, I'm actually going back to Maine for the actual wedding.
Adam:Okay. You you you were like, when I travel even more than a little, it's great. That's a lot of travel Yeah. In one summer. Like, that's that's a lot.
Adam:Now
Dax:that By any way I'm like, damn, this is gonna be but you know what? Might as well just throw one other thing in there. Like, it's just gonna be
Adam:I guess September is not that far away. I would like us to, like, do the rounds and just go to each other's houses.
Dax:Yeah. We should do that. We said your house nice.
Adam:On rotation.
Dax:What's the best time of the year to go to your house?
Adam:Probably the fall, unfortunately, with TwitchCon also being in the fall. Like, it's nice here in the fall. It's like the northeast that rivals it.
Dax:I guess we did this wrong because your house is probably because if you think about okay. If we if we just rotate through all of everyone's houses Yeah. I think all the winner sucks for all of you guys. Oh, yeah. Except for me.
Dax:So
Adam:Except for you. Yeah.
Dax:Mine should be in
Adam:It should be in the winter. Yeah. So we could in the summer, we could go to, yeah, Primes or TJs, maybe. It's probably nicer there than it is where we are.
Dax:There is also that Big Sky conference going on. I was actually invited to that one.
Adam:When is it?
Dax:In July, I think. Or something. June, July, something like that. Mhmm. We'll figure it out.
Adam:We'll figure it out. I'm going to Seattle in July for an AWS thing. AWS Hero thing.
Dax:Oh, is that the hero summit?
Adam:The summit. Yeah. They're doing, like, one global one this time instead of spread out.
Dax:You know, that word always confused me because does the word summit mean something else? Or do they just literally name this concept after, like, the mountain? You know, like What does summit actually mean? Is it, like, the peak of a mountain, or is it a verb?
Adam:It's like the is it like the peak of a mountain? Wait. Hang on. Is it also like a a gathering of people? Let's see.
Adam:The highest point. Yeah. There's no alternate meaning? A conference of highest level officials.
Dax:That makes calling it a hero summit really pretentious. A conference of the highest level officials.
Adam:Highest level.
Dax:The most important people. Like, basically, like, everyone can go to the AWS hero summit, but they have to have 1 hero left behind in case, like, you know, there's an attack on the hero summit, and they need someone to take
Adam:to lead. Someone has to be able to take over.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:That's funny. Let's start a summit. Let's just be super elitist.
Dax:I hung out with Alex Debris on Tuesday. It was a crazy social week for me. Like, after all the craziness He was
Adam:in Miami?
Dax:Then he was randomly there, Monday, Wednesday Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. So I saw him, and he mentioned he was like, oh, he mentioned he's like, oh, yeah. I'm surprised Adam's going to hero summit. He, like, never does anything, but he's going to that.
Adam:Funny. And then Absolutely.
Dax:We were sitting at we we visited him at his hotel. So we're sitting at some bar thing. And then I look and I see someone that looks familiar. And I started waving before I even realized what I was doing, because he kinda looked at me too. And he starts walking over, and I'm like, shit.
Dax:Like, did I recognize him or not? So I just randomly go, hey. Are you the CEO of Netlify? And it turns out he was, so it was fine. He was.
Dax:Yeah. I did recognize him.
Adam:What's his name?
Dax:Matt Billman, I think.
Adam:Matt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Dax:So we ran into him, and we talked for a bit.
Adam:That's crazy.
Dax:What a week for Miami.
Adam:At the same restaurant or something? Like It
Dax:was at the hotel. Yeah. I'm part of the hotel.
Adam:It's a hotel.
Dax:Yeah. There's a conference. There's a conference going another conference going on. Yeah.
Adam:I wish Alex could have come, like, a few days earlier.
Dax:I think he was there on Sunday.
Adam:Are you kidding me? I guess,
Dax:I don't think so. Left on Sunday.
Adam:Yeah. The waving at somebody. This reminded me of a story. I haven't told anybody this. I was on a walk, and always look like an idiot when I'm walking anyway.
Adam:Like, I have my ruck pack on, and I walk backward a lot and all that stuff.
Dax:You meant just your face?
Adam:Oh, yeah. Yeah. That too. But I'm on a walk, and a car is coming. And so my, my parents live up the road from me now.
Adam:And I thought it it looked just like their car. It was a gray car, and I thought it was one of them. And so I do the thing you do when you, like, really know something. I'm like like, I waved real big and smiled, like, ear to ear. Just real big smile, like, hey, it's my parents.
Adam:It was my parents. It was one of our our neighbors. And he kinda, like, looked at me like, what? Like, I don't know the guy. I've just seen him on walks.
Adam:Like, he walks his dogs. I don't even know his name. And he just kinda, like, thinks I'm nuts now because I gave this giant toothy grin and wave.
Dax:I do stuff like that all the time. Yeah. I totally relate to that. Liz did the reverse of that one time where okay. For some reason, I'm I'm convinced she has some kind of face blindness thing because we've talked about this before where she thinks everyone looks like everyone and they they just don't.
Dax:But for some reason, she can never remember what our next door neighbor looks like. Like, we, like, see them constantly. Yeah. And we have this issue where sometimes people park in front of our house. And she saw us, like, like, people that are visiting.
Dax:They park in front of her house, and they block her spot. It's fine when our neighbor does it because it's, like, temporarily or whatever and, like, we know them. But Liz saw someone parking in front of her house and she's, like, runs out being like, you can't park there. And it was our neighbor that she didn't recognize. And then a neighbor was kinda, like, flustered being like, oh, no.
Dax:Like, okay. It's just, like, you know, for a little bit, you know, like, we always do. Yeah. So yeah. I'm sure they have.
Dax:But, like, kinda
Adam:set the reverse
Dax:set something to the you know, like, mess with the relationship in in some way.
Adam:Oh, that sucks.
Dax:It's all the little mistakes that, like, just, you know, from the other person's point of view, they're just like there's no way that they would consider it was an accident. They just perceive it as, like, the weirdest behavior ever.
Adam:Yeah. And that I mean, that fear was in my mind. Like, I can't not wave real big because if I'm just like and it's my parents. Like, what was he what was the deal with Adam? So I have to wait real big, and then I just wanted to, like, chase him down and, like, get him to roll down the window.
Adam:Like, I thought you were my parents. Sorry. I'm not crazy.
Dax:If you did that crazy wave and then started chasing my car, I
Adam:would definitely scared. He'd speed off, and then it would be even worse. That's a good point. Oh, man.
Dax:You might be my neighbor at some point.
Adam:Oh, man. I yeah. Coconut Grove is great. The walking, the restaurants, the just all of it. And Casey and I, we've always loved South Florida.
Adam:We moved there once.
Dax:Mhmm.
Adam:And we've been talking about, like, even before I visited, about, like, maybe we could have, like, a a rental property that we rent out in Florida, and we just lived there for stretches. Because the thing that when we moved the first time, my oldest, we only had one child, and he was 4? Yeah. He was 4. And it was pretty traumatic because we had just, like, built this nice home here in the Ozarks, then we left that and moved into a pretty old rental there in Florida.
Adam:Everything was, like, different, and it just we were all very sad for, like, a month. But if we were going down there knowing we still have home up here, it's like the psychological barrier is gone. We could stay for 3 months, and it's like, we know we can go back home, but we just get to enjoy the great parts of South Florida. So, yeah, after that trip, I'm ready I'm ready to move. Casey not ready to move.
Adam:Sorry, I should say. Ready to to spend some time down there. Unfortunately, time of year, it won't be for a while because we're not gonna come in the summer.
Dax:No fun. No. Yeah. I I think I mean, but I think you need some time to figure it out anyway.
Adam:Yeah. We'd have to find a place and
Dax:Yeah. I mean, I'd I'd love
Adam:to live down there though.
Dax:Like, because, you know, everyone people know I live in Miami, and everyone has, this concept of Miami. And, like, imagine the difference between the hotel you stayed at and then, like, my neighborhood. Like, that gap is Yeah. Like, huge. But everyone always pictures, you know, that South Beach area that you stayed at.
Dax:And I always say that, like, I always want people to visit because it's so jarring. And you actually haven't even seen, like, the other side of the highway here, is another neighborhood called Coral Gables. And that's like
Adam:That's really nice, right?
Dax:It's not as walkable as mine because there's not like this Yeah. Easy downtown area, but it is like insanely beautiful. Like, nobody would see that and be like, this is everyone would see that and be like, this is, like, you know, like a crazy place on the planet. Yeah. So I'm really excited that you guys got to got to come and see that.
Dax:And, yeah, I I love living here. Like, just, it just feels good. Like, it feels like, oh, this makes sense. Like, there's trees everywhere and, like, you can kind of walk to everything Oh,
Adam:yeah. It's beautiful.
Dax:You need For sure. But, like, it's not but you're, like, still in a city and you can do, like, like, city things if you want to. Yeah. It's pretty rare. For some reason, people here don't appreciate that as much.
Dax:Like, in my head when I, like, you know, visited Miami, I looked at everything. I was like, oh, obviously this is like the pinnacle. This area is the pinnacle of Miami. Yeah. And a lot of people do like it, but people here just don't think about the walkability thing and, like, how much it changes your whole your whole life.
Dax:Like, it's not like a priority, which I'm glad about because it reduces the amount of competition. But,
Adam:Yeah. I the the walkability thing, I I really wish our life like, we go for walks, like, arbitrary, almost an hour long, walk in the whole neighborhood just to get the exercise. I really wish our life required. Like, it was just part of our lives that we walk places because that I know that's, like, Europe when people go on vacation.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:Vic Vic, I saw him tweeting about, like, 20,000 steps a day. Like, that's just not a thing in the Ozarks. You don't like, any walking you do is just because you need to walk. There's nowhere to walk to. Everything is, like, at least 10 minutes in the car away.
Adam:It's, like, so spread out. So, yeah, I I wish we had that for sure. That's nice.
Dax:Yeah. Like, to me, it feels like this is what neighborhoods like, how neighborhoods should be designed. I don't really know why they're not. I don't fully get it because this supports almost all kinds of preferences. Like, I have a house with a yard if that's what you want.
Dax:There's also, like, not giant buildings, but there's, like, apartment buildings if, like, you know, that's what you want. Yeah. There's also some, like, crazy houses, like, that are massive, like, mansion type houses. It's all just, like, mixed in together.
Adam:But I
Dax:don't really know what, like, what the downside is.
Adam:Is it more is it more of a limitation on the, like, the commercial side? Like, small downtown areas are really nice as a person who wants to walk into a downtown. But do the suburbs exist because, like, big boxcos wanna put in their giant buildings and, like, is that just not conducive to a place like that? Well, it
Dax:looks like we we have those too. Like, we have Costco and BJ's, and we have to get in a car. We're not gonna, like, walk to those, obviously. But Yeah. Those are, like, 20 minutes away, my car.
Adam:So Yeah. Why why do suburbs exist the way that they do? Like, what happened to walkable? Because Europe, it's it probably looks more like your situation. Right?
Adam:What about America? Did we decide? Yeah.
Dax:Don't know. I feel like we swung too hard on the giant houses on property, which also to me, it's like a weird middle ground. Like, I totally get being, having, like, a crazy like, we have friends that have, like, a farm in Virginia and, like, Prime has his, like, you know, crazy ranch. Yeah. I get that.
Dax:But, like, this the suburb thing, I don't fully understand. Like, I feel like you can kind of have it all, but without having to be like, oh, it's just, like, completely residential in, like, a 20 minute radius, and all the stores are outside of it. Yeah. I don't really yeah. I don't know.
Dax:I don't get it. It's just Yeah.
Adam:I don't understand the mechanisms that forced this type of development. Like, yeah. I'd like to look it up now. I'm gonna be on Wikipedia later.
Dax:Maybe it's a density thing. That actually just might be it because Oh, maybe. So many people here. So the small businesses that are in that downtown area are, like, very successful. Like, they make a lot of money.
Dax:Like, people come not just from our neighborhood, like, they come from everywhere to to visit them. So they're, like, ported by that, which I guess is is not a thing when there isn't as dense. Like, Yeah. Like that restaurant we went to, that, that vegan sushi place. I would guess that most of the people going there are not from my neighborhood.
Dax:I think most of our customers are from around, and we just get the benefit because we live around here. Yeah.
Adam:I would travel for it. It
Dax:was delicious.
Adam:The service was okay.
Dax:Service was horrible there.
Adam:Okay. It was bad.
Dax:It was, like, maybe the worst service we had all week.
Adam:Yeah. Giving vegan's a bad name.
Dax:I mean, the food was
Adam:really good. Pretentious.
Dax:Like It
Adam:was really good.
Dax:The, the one that was, like, kinda toasted. Like, I keep, like, remembering the flavor, and I was like, that was so good.
Adam:That was delicious. I can't believe I didn't get that again. Should've Uber Eats it.
Dax:You in here Uber Eats?
Adam:Yeah. I just Uber Eats everything. So I'm not from walkable areas.
Dax:Yeah. Well, it's funny because, the food situation was really funny because nobody none of us really catered to Adam at all.
Adam:It's okay. I don't
Dax:want you to. We, yeah. I know you kept saying that. And we're like, okay.
Adam:I just don't like that feeling of, like We
Dax:don't feel
Adam:bad about this either. Yeah. I just I don't like it.
Dax:But you would just eat, like, 2 hours before you would just Uber Eats 2 hours before everyone, and we would go out to eat. And you would just sit there at the restaurant and be like, no. Thank you. No. Thank you.
Adam:I can't believe how late everyone eats. That's my big wake up call going to Miami and seeing other adults in the wild. Like
Dax:Okay. I understand that we eat late in Miami. That's, like, definitely a thing. But your point of reference is, like, insane. Yeah.
Dax:Like, you you you were saying you don't eat to eat after 2 PM. Like, what the that's, like, earlier than old people, you know?
Adam:Earlier than old people. It's not always 2 PM. It depends on the season. The main thing is stopping, like, 4 or 5 hours before I go to bed. And I guess in Miami, in your defense, everyone went to bed really late too.
Adam:So maybe you were eating plenty early for when you go to sleep.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:Like, if I stay up till 2 or 3, then I guess I don't need to be done eating Yeah. In the afternoon.
Dax:I mean, that week was weird. So if you think about a normal week, we usually eat around 8.
Adam:Okay.
Dax:And then we'll be in bed at, like, midnight. So
Adam:Okay. 4 hours before. Yeah. That's no. That's good.
Adam:Okay. Yeah. I just go to bed really early, and that pushes my eating window way early too.
Dax:Dinner is weird too.
Adam:We just we can't, like, we just can't, like, interact with other people. It's like, we can't have dinner with people because we don't eat dinner. We eat at 2 or 3 in the afternoon. And
Dax:Will other people that you wanna interact with in around you?
Adam:No. Yeah. So In fairness, maybe there would be if we could eat with them. I don't know.
Dax:No. I think it's the other way around. I think if you have people you interact with, that'll you'll just kind of be more flexible in certain ways.
Adam:That's true. Yeah. If you guys lived here. Yeah.
Dax:And and and we would go the other way too. So Yeah.
Adam:You guys would finish eating it too. That sounds fun. Let's do that. We'll just move
Dax:it out. Funny if you guys visit because it's well, like, we made fun of you with the vegan thing a lot, but, like, a lot of food Liz makes like, she makes very good food that's, like, a 100% that could be a 100% vegan. So definitely do that.
Adam:You guys were great hosts. The party was great.
Dax:Party was
Adam:fun. It was, like, literally tech Twitter. There's a few absentees, but, like, it was insane. The density of people whose avatars you recognize or faces you recognize from Twitter.
Dax:I barely remember the party for some reason. It was just, like, all a blur.
Adam:It was it feels like it was early in the week. It wasn't really like, was it Thursday?
Dax:Yeah. It was Thursday.
Adam:I don't yeah. I don't know. That that Monday through Wednesday was a blur.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:Like, all the streaming the the guys were doing and then just, like, I don't know, felt like a whirlwind. I I missed the day there. I thought one of the days was Thurs I I don't know. It was, like, Thursday, I thought was Wednesday. Like, I lost an entire day.
Adam:Yeah. My brain was done. But, yeah, the party was kind of, like, here and gone, smashed between all this craziness. Because then we went to South Beach for a few days for the conference. Yeah.
Dax:Man, I if the conference was not in South Beach, everything would have been so much nicer. So another thing that happened was that we kept getting stuck in those, like, hour long car rides between the 2. Okay. So this sounds crazy, but when I normally go to South Beach, it takes literally 15 minutes. Like, we go to beach all the time,
Adam:and it takes 15 minutes.
Dax:And for some reason, this weekend, it was, like, over an hour every single time we had to go back and forth. So people thought I lived, like, really far away, but, like, I don't. I live pretty close No.
Adam:Yeah. To all that. Is that is that where you go to the beach, or can you just go south?
Dax:Yeah. So we don't so there's there's another area called Key Biscayne, and that's very close. That's, like, 10 minutes away. And oftentimes, we go there. As crazy as South Beach is, like, it it does have really nice beaches.
Dax:So we usually go there, but we'll go early. Like, we'll go like, we'll be done by, like, noon or, like, 1 because we'll go earlier in the day. And it's, like, nicer. It's not as hot. Yeah.
Dax:And usually no traffic. There's usually, like, not many people there.
Adam:Yeah. The traffic was insane. I mean, getting across that bridge was painful. We've mostly just sat it
Dax:was from the conference. Not from React Miami, but from the bigger conference, the Emerge America system. Emerge.
Adam:Thank you.
Dax:That was that was brutal.
Adam:Yeah. Maybe they could just, do the conference at a different time and not share it with Emerge.
Dax:Yeah. I wanna talk to Michelle more about why they like, what benefits they get from embedding React Miami inside that bigger conference, which is just, like, so random.
Adam:Yeah. It
Dax:feels like re Invent, but, like,
Adam:not Everybody's in suits. It was different. Yeah.
Dax:It's a
Adam:different crowd,
Dax:for sure. It is weird, though. I didn't like I was like because I was walking around the conference booth area thing, and I saw a big crowd of people. And I was like, oh, this must be something interesting. And it was just some person, like, vaguely talking about AI and, like, just random buzzwords that just didn't make they just weren't really saying anything, but they were drawing a huge crowd.
Dax:I'm like, what is this, like, what is this world? And, like, how do I just, like, never intersect with it? There's so many people there. Yeah. It's LinkedIn.
Adam:Like, LinkedIn was there and Twitter was there. And we were having our little party, and then LinkedIn was doing their LinkedIn things.
Dax:Yeah. That was bizarre. And then Clerq had their booth there. And I'm just like
Adam:Oh, they had a booth at the Emerge thing?
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to go drop those booths out there. So when that worked at clerk left a laptop at my party.
Adam:Oh, yeah. Oh, that
Dax:was funny. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. He had to ship some stuff. Like, some stuff broke, and he was, like, fixing some stuff at my party.
Dax:Damn.
Adam:I saw yeah. I saw him in the corner with the laptop. Yeah. Good thing people put stickers on their laptops. They had a clerk sticker.
Adam:Right? Is that how you knew it? Yeah. I do.
Dax:I don't put stickers on my laptop ever.
Adam:I don't either, but I put a terminal sticker on mine.
Dax:Even the terminal one, I don't think I'll do.
Adam:I understand. You're just not committed.
Dax:It's just like, you know, Apple works so hard to make, like, this very I know.
Adam:They pristine design. And I put it on there thinking, this come off. Right?
Dax:You put it on the bottom. Yeah.
Adam:On the underside. Yeah. That's funny. That's that's an interesting idea. Cover the underside with stickers, and it's like, you can kinda hide it if you don't want.
Dax:Yeah. Both. Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. Probably some ventil okay. I'm going way too deep on this. I'm gonna say ventilation issues, but okay.
Dax:Going back to the conference, yeah, I'd love to see if because it was so big this year that I have a hard time imagining that it just won't sell out immediately next year. Yeah. So I think, like, you know because the second day of the conference was not in South Beach. It was just in an office space or in a couple office spaces in downtown Miami. And, yeah, just do that for both next year and just forget South Beach.
Adam:Just just I would just ask that the boat days are on the same side of that bridge.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. Because it's so hard to have a hotel where you were near what is happening the next day.
Dax:Yeah. Well, again, this is this is a problem very specific to us because we were
Adam:Yeah. I mean, I was at your house a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Dax:It was fun. I'm really happy everyone came. I had a lot of fun. Lot of good memories.
Adam:Yeah. That was a good time. Won't forget that one. And then the company. We launched the company.
Adam:Yeah. There's just a lot a lot going on. I'm trying I'm trying to, like, learn how to style SSH apps or CLI apps.
Dax:Go. I don't think you've done Go before, have you?
Adam:I've done some Go.
Dax:Oh, okay. Okay.
Adam:For a CLI app, actually, but it wasn't this fancy. We're trying to do fancy stuff, and it's hard.
Dax:How's that going?
Adam:Using it's good. We're I mean, we're using charm and all their stuff, lip gloss, bubble tea.
Dax:It's So stuff isn't so hard to Google?
Adam:It's so hard to Google. Yeah. I'm just, like, pinging Bash Bunny constantly. Like, hey, how do I do this? And then she sends me, like, a gist that has all of it.
Adam:I'm like, thank you. Plug that in. Moving on to the next thing. It's going well. It it like, it looks like the mock mostly, on the product page.
Adam:Nice. And I'm working on the checkout pages. Nice. Yeah.
Dax:It's gonna be good.
Adam:It's an interesting idea. I can't believe nobody's, like, actually done this, like, SSH store. I feel like that should have been a thing.
Dax:It's crazy to me that Charm built this and nobody, like it's not that we came with the idea. We saw the tools Charm built, and we were like, oh, you can do stuff like this. So I'm surprised more people haven't come across it and done funny experiences like that. But I'm excited to put together a template that you can build something and deploy it the same way that we did. Yeah.
Dax:So people can put their, like, their resume up there or some things like personal site. I've been looking through, like, we've been looking through a bunch of these logs log services, and I see all of them. And I'm just like, I wish someone has built an SSH version of this. SSH my team dot logs dot app, whatever. And then I can just, like, you know, look through
Adam:in a terminal. Or something? Yeah. So Everything should be in in the terminal. Who needs browsers?
Adam:Yeah. Going back to
Dax:If you're building stuff for developers, like, that's actually a very reasonable argument to make.
Adam:So on the development side, I wish there were, like, a live reload situation. Like, is there maybe there is a better way. I'm, like, literally running Go Run. And then when I make a change, I kill the process, I rerun it, I SSH in. It's painful as far as the developer loop feedback loop goes.
Dax:Yeah. I think there's actually another entry point in there that just renders it instead of, like, making you SSH in. So that might
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:But is that max?
Adam:Could do that. No. I guess, yeah, I guess, I could do that.
Dax:I think I saw I ran the wrong thing. If you run if you just run the main dot go file and the root, instead of the one in the sage folder, I think that's what it
Adam:specify a screen, I think. Yeah.
Dax:I think that's what it does.
Adam:So I can can't test the interactions. It's just, like, one screen at a time, I guess.
Dax:No. I think it renders the whole app because it's the same Oh, the whole app. Because it's just a bubble tea app at the end of the day, whether it's mounted
Adam:to SSH. Okay. Maybe I'm doing the wrong thing. Yeah. I don't have to SSH in.
Adam:That'd be cool.
Dax:That might help. Yeah. The reload is another thing. This whole experience has made me conclude that we definitely need to build that thing into SSD where you have, like, like, tab like a sidebar. And in there, I can just add a button if you hit r, it'll reload or something.
Dax:But I think go some there is something it's not anything fancy. I think there is some way to just, like, make it reload whenever we do file changes. Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. Interesting.
Dax:That part is a little annoying.
Adam:But, I mean, it's it's fun. It's kinda different. Tickles your brain a little bit because it's everything you think you know about building things turned on its head, and it's different. Yeah. Like, I so badly wanna just, like, put divs in and, like, flexbox and just be done, but it's not how it works.
Adam:Yeah. And
Dax:you can't, like, have different text sizes, which means, like Yeah. The entire way you, like, think about emphasizing things in a UI is totally different.
Adam:Uh-huh. Yeah. Like, text color, I guess, is mainly how we're doing that.
Dax:Color and weight. Right. Not even weight. You know how to make it bold or not bold. That's it.
Adam:Right.
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. Terminals are crazy. I feel like I've just learned a lot more about how they work
Adam:through this. Yeah. One problem is that we wanna launch today, and I need to get this done. And and it's we missed our podcast last week. We didn't record in Miami.
Adam:I want this one to be long and full full bodied, you know, a full bodied episode, something that somebody would want to enjoy on a Saturday afternoon. But also, I probably can't sound here very longer. We won't get to things yet.
Dax:Okay. You can go back.
Adam:Do I seem distracted? Do I seem like every minute of this podcast, I've been like I'm just I'm ready to okay. I gotta get back to it now.
Dax:A little bit. But, you know, it's fine. It's exciting. It's nice to have something like that.
Adam:It is. I also enjoy our podcast. And I miss it. I miss that
Dax:we didn't I wish we
Adam:would have recorded in person. We should have done it. Should have made it
Dax:happen. So hard. So much going on. It's hard to do things when everyone's together. Like, because the easiest thing to do is just to fuck around and have fun, which
Adam:is Yeah. Exactly. What we spend lots of time doing.
Dax:We're just gonna do it wearing mics next time. That's
Adam:Yeah. Just record the whole thing and then have Chris edit it. Good luck, Chris. Here's a week of audio.
Dax:Okay. Well, we'll let you get back to work.
Adam:Alright. So this one's short. Blame, e commerce or something. I don't know. Buy our coffee, s h terminal dot shop.
Dax:Yeah. Send me a screenshot.
Adam:Yeah. Send us a screen. Oh, you
Dax:wanna see
Adam:a screenshot? Yeah. Send me a screenshot. Yeah. Send me a screenshot.
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Dax:Cool.
Adam:Cool.
Dax:Alright.
Adam:See you. See you.
