Serverless is Paid, Adam's GitHub Username, Dax VC'd, and Adam is Going to Teach
What number is this? Fifth 69? Oh, no. Nice. Episode 69.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what that means. I don't want you to explain it to me.
Speaker 1:Okay. Yeah. I'm not going to.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I've been seeing so many people post, videos from those glasses. I someone that I know did like a Saturday drive. They live around me, did a Saturday drive and did like a beach thing, like the same thing that we we do pretty often and it was like so crazy seeing it and like recognizing stuff in there from like that perspective. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It looks really cool. I like I think I wanna get one.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Get one. I just got one.
Speaker 2:This is
Speaker 1:the first time I've used it.
Speaker 2:I haven't looked into it at all. I've only seen the end result. Is that is it just one camera?
Speaker 1:I think so. I believe so. Is it right here?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I see it blinking. And then what's on
Speaker 1:the That's the like a status I think the other side is camera.
Speaker 2:I see.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So you can't secretly record people.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I've never worn glasses in my office with my lights on and stuff. Big glare, turns out. How do people how do people do that?
Speaker 2:Well, First of all, are those like see, like eyeglasses or are those sunglasses?
Speaker 1:They're sunglasses, but I got them clear.
Speaker 2:Do they
Speaker 1:transition? Wear them indoors and I'd feel like an idiot. No. They don't transition, they're just always clear.
Speaker 2:Oh, you can have oh, you can have always clear sunglasses at work?
Speaker 1:I guess. I don't wear sunglasses. I don't know. Like, will they still block harmful sun rays for my eyeballs? No I idea.
Speaker 2:I need you to go outside and look into the sun Right now. With the sunglasses on. I'm just kidding. Do that.
Speaker 1:Look at the sun. Actually, you're supposed to start your day looking at the sun. It's good for your circadian rhythm.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I know way too many Huberman things. Why do I feel shameful knowing Huberman things? He's just like a scientist and he shares like science. That's good. Why is it bad?
Speaker 2:I don't know who he is. I have no idea. I've never come across him. I only see people reference him. I see I hear you reference him a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so I just wanna make fun of it.
Speaker 1:I just wanna make fun of it. He's like a research scientist at Stanford. Or maybe he's not a research. Maybe he's a professor. He's a professor or something.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what he is. But he's really smart. Okay? And he references ways that science can help you in your day every day.
Speaker 2:Look into the sun. I don't know how smart he is.
Speaker 1:Not look into it, but like get the have you heard Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. I like know all of his advice because it just comes up so often. And that's why it's easy to make fun of. It's it comes up so often.
Speaker 1:Is it the demographic of people that have latched on to it? Is it bros like me that have gotten a hold of it and that's why it's shameful? Is that why I feel bad?
Speaker 2:It's not shameful but I'm just always gonna make fun of, people thinking about their life in this way. It's just too easy. Too easy. You know what it is? It's just trying hard.
Speaker 2:Whenever someone's trying hard
Speaker 1:It's trying hard. You yeah. You like to poke at people that try hard. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I guess everyone does. I just realized I'm live on Instagram to no followers, but they won't hear you. So this is kind of pointless. I guess at least they got a little inside look at what it's like to be a tech bro in 2023.
Speaker 2:Did you have the title of the stream?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I got the title. It's tomorrow. Is that what you
Speaker 2:titled it?
Speaker 1:What stream? Oh, I don't think Instagram I don't know if Instagram live gives you a title.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see.
Speaker 1:We're telling your followers that you started a live video. Well, thank you, Instagram. Okay, I'm gonna end the this this thing and take off my glasses now. Are we streaming on Twitter?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are. I didn't have Wow. Last time we had a very clickbaity title and this time I just did something generic. So we'll see what the difference Let's
Speaker 1:do a it's talking to me.
Speaker 2:Wait. Oh, because it has speakers. Oh.
Speaker 1:It has speakers. I don't know if it actually has, like does it have AR stuff? Like, is it gonna ever, like, do I don't
Speaker 2:think so. Right? There's like Okay. Those are like normal screens. So what did you get them for?
Speaker 2:Like, did you was there like a specific purpose?
Speaker 1:Why do I get anything, Dax? I don't know. Just to mess with it. I have an aura an aura ring now.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. Aura ring? I don't remember that.
Speaker 1:Do you have an aura ring? I recommend them. No. I don't. It's It gives you sleep tracking that like, I don't wear my watch when I sleep.
Speaker 1:So it's really nice to see like a lot of data on my sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Back when I was working out more, I used a whoop. I used that for few Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whoop. Whatever. Yeah. I have a neighbor who is also into all the things that I'm into, like Huberman and whatever. He's got the same cold plunge.
Speaker 1:He's like I mean, literally, like, I've just copied him in every way, I guess, in life. And he uses a Whoop and an Oar ring. I'm like, why is this data. That's too much data, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Whoopi's pretty cool. It's kind of a company that I wish I came up with. It seems fun.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of companies like that for me. Yeah. I wish I came up with Google, Apple.
Speaker 2:Those are boring answers, Adam. Be more interesting.
Speaker 1:Okay. SST. Stat views. Well, I didn't okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So I feel like we have a lot to talk about. We have
Speaker 1:too much to talk about. Can before we talk. Yeah. Can I just say I'm gonna be very talkative? I have had caffeine again today.
Speaker 1:Nice. I haven't eaten in forty hours. I'm on a forty hour fast.
Speaker 2:Because you're getting fat.
Speaker 1:No. I'm cutting for another competition. I wasn't aiming for forty hours, I was aiming for thirty But then, like, you get into it and you're not hungry. It's like, I feel like I could never eat again.
Speaker 2:Is this the one in Atlanta you're going to?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's in like twenty days.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Yep. We're I mean, it sounds so dumb to be like traveling to Atlanta for a white belt tournament. But Casey's family's in Atlanta. It's right around Thanksgiving. We want we haven't been there in a couple years.
Speaker 1:We wanna go visit anyway. So just kinda all work. It's like an excuse Yeah. To go Okay. So yeah, we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1:Sorry. Go ahead. I'm just gonna be talking really fast.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, let's let's let's start because I don't I feel like we have so much to talk about. It's stacked on top of each other. Made me forget what we have to talk about.
Speaker 1:I made a list actually. I've never made a list of things I wanna talk about.
Speaker 2:I'm so prepared.
Speaker 1:Should we let's start with, like, interesting stuff, maybe?
Speaker 2:Like, boring stuff? Why is there
Speaker 1:boring I stuff on your mean, like, tech ish, like, things that people might care about, And then we can just do the stuff we normally do, which is whatever. The serverless framework is a paid thing now. I don't actually know. I didn't see the announcement. So I need you to tell me, first of all, what happened?
Speaker 1:You have to pay to, like, continue using serverless or what?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's I mean, the post was pretty unclear, but the parts that were clear is they're gonna come out with serverless v four. They're on v three right now. Think v four is gonna come out next year. So it's not like happening today or anything.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. V four will be paid but only for customers that have more than $2,000,000 a year in revenue. Okay. I never liked the revenue based numbers. I feel like those are so those range so widely for certain companies like, there's companies that could be making $2,000,000 and still be negative.
Speaker 2:And there's companies that make that much and it's almost a 100% profit. So yeah, always found that Very different philosophy. Yeah. But I I get why I get why they did that. They're also launching this extensions concept.
Speaker 2:It looks I'm not too like it it doesn't look that serious. It just looks like, oh, you can now like run some steps in a Docker container. That's like some kind of like they let you add whatever Docker image or something. It works something like that. But the interesting part about that is they're saying that if you author an extension, there's gonna be a revenue share where you get 80% of the money associated with the extension.
Speaker 2:But it's very confusing because when they even the first part where they're like, you have to pay for, it it's not really clear how you pay. They talk about instances, which I guess are like deployments. So for like each stage, each app. Mhmm. And but it's not clear like how much you pay or like none of that.
Speaker 2:Like, I don't know if it's $50 a year or like $500. I have no idea what it what it And then how does that translate to like revenue for the extension author?
Speaker 1:So like, do you set like, if you're the extension author, do you set your price? Like, if you wanna use this extension, it costs x dollars a month?
Speaker 2:No. I don't think they I don't think it's like you're paying extra for the extension. I think it's some kind of revenue share where like four apps that are deployed using your extension, you get some cut but then like Cut the revenue. What like what it just is very unclear. But they're clearly trying to bootstrap like some kind of Terraform like ecosystem where you can coordinate all kinds of things.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And I think that's it. I think that that's all the details that were in that post. So it's gonna be paid, not sure how much, for just bigger companies.
Speaker 1:So I just it just occurred to me, I don't know, like, HashiCorp's business model. How does how does Terraform make money? Because it's kind of a similar model I didn't realize I didn't think about. They're like a huge public company. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. But they they have paid products and they have I think they even have a services division where they do, like, consulting and stuff. But HashiCorp has I mean, if you look at Terraform, they have Terraform Cloud or Terraform Enterprise, which are like these just more large company focused tools. Like, they're it's actually like a CI tool for Terraform. Okay.
Speaker 2:It's not very good.
Speaker 1:So Terraform is still free but people lots of people apparently pay for the like, make a lot of money, right? I mean, they're a public company.
Speaker 2:They went public during the crazy times and now they're kind like, of if you look at their stock, it's pretty much like just been down since they went public.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But definitely one of those cases where they got ahead of their situation and that's why they were forced to roll out some of those be, like those licensing changes on Terraform. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, I forgot
Speaker 2:about that. But, yeah, they have a they have a lot of products. They have a lot of products and they've been around for a while. Like Terraform was something they came up with like, knew about HashiCorp for years before I started using Terraform because they had other their products. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But they're pretty diversified.
Speaker 1:So it's interesting though there there's I mean, they could have at one point looked very similar in their life cycles. Like, serverless dominated serverless framework dominated
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And today AWS deployments. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. If you look at today, they're still 30 times larger than SSD. So How much? 30 times.
Speaker 1:30?
Speaker 2:Yeah. In terms of Wow. NPM downloads. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I had heard like 90% of CloudFormation deployments at one point were serverless framework.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow. Yeah. That's not that surprising. But I mean, we have like a very unique perspective on this because the original product for like our company, our original product wasn't SST, it was a CI tool for serverless framework projects. So I mean, this is before I I joined Which
Speaker 1:I use by the way. Yeah. See dot Yeah.
Speaker 2:Now it works for us Check it out. Projects as well. But that's how the company started. It was just just looking at how big the serverless framework ecosystem was and then was thinking, okay, we wanna help people do serverless stuff. This is an angle.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, like, you know, that product grew to a certain size and then we realized that serverless framework it was obvious even back then they were a dying framework. I don't think when SSC was built, a lot of people would have agreed but there were a bunch of signals that like it hasn't it hadn't changed in years fundamentally. They haven't really been expanding the open source product much. They like tried their hand at so many different paid products that never stuck. But that was kind of we were like, if we're building on top of them and relying on them to grow the ecosystem, we're kind of screwed because if they fail to do that then then we fail.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's why we moved off of them and then I think, I would say like a year or a year and a half ago, I think it became a lot more publicly clear that it was kind of a dying framework. So I haven't really thought about them in a long time. I don't really think of them as like a competitor that we're like, really, like, focused on.
Speaker 1:They're so triggering. Just like, you're that meme, the I don't think about you at all. Just all the things you've just said in the last two minutes. Like, if as if serverless framework people were listening or are listening, they're so triggered right now and they can't say anything back because you're on
Speaker 2:the mic. Sometimes things don't work out and, like, we just genuinely it hasn't been our focus because that market, just is a certain size and serverless framework never grew out of it. We're kind of stuck in, I'm an AWS person, I care about serverless and I use serverless framework. They never broke out to I'm a person, I'm trying to build applications, oh, this framework looks cool, let me, like, learn about serverless through it. Like it just never reached the broader market.
Speaker 2:And that's where our focus was. We're like, there's no reason to double down and like spend all their time trying to convert serverless framework users because that's like a static pool of people. Yeah. I'm taking
Speaker 1:your word for all this stuff. You know, you clearly know this a lot better than I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then, so I a bunch of people messaged me last week about it and they were like, oh, what do you think about this? Or like, oh, do you think SST's gonna get a bunch of users now? Or, we had someone posting our Discord being like, hey, this kind of thing worries me. Like, can you tell us, like, how come SST is not gonna go down the same path?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I saw your tweet. That's where that came from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. So I was like, let me just like say it publicly. I wrote it under Discord initially and I kind of reposted it publicly. But the thing that is funny about this situation is we're seeing a company, kind of take their core product and and turn it into a paid product from open source. A lot of people, namely people that are big fans of serverless framework or even worked at serverless framework are saying, point to the situation and they're like, wow, open source mon monetization and sustainability is so hard.
Speaker 2:Like, we need new models. Like the classic conversation about how hard it is to sustain open source.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Like, they're framing it in that way. And to me, that's like so hilariously wrong because this isn't like the SolidJS team, which is like a small group of people working on a product. This is a company that raised $20,000,000 at probably a $100,000,000 valuation that failed to break 1,000,000 ARR despite being eight years old with like a massive user base. So to me, this is just a normal startup execution failure. Like they messed up
Speaker 1:It's not a it's not an open source monetization like Yeah. Landscape issue. It's
Speaker 2:not like
Speaker 1:the whole open system open source ecosystem is broken. I I hear you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. And it's like oh, is open source broken? But like they were given $20,000,000 or something, whatever the number is public, and they couldn't find a way to make it work. That's okay.
Speaker 2:It's like a startup failure, it happens. But like spinning it as like, oh, this is a great example of why open source. Like, we all need to look harder at open source, the models need to change. Yeah. So I posted So that's why my thread on it wasn't so much about like, anything besides the startup mistakes that we think cause this this issue and what we're doing to make sure that we're not setting ourselves up in the same situation.
Speaker 2:Like how we're making sure that we're staying super small so the bar for sustainability is a lot lower so we can get there sooner and continue to make our own decisions instead of being pressured into different situations or like having a board that's getting stressed out because we're make we're not making money, like all those distractions that happen, like, again, normal startup problems. The CEO of, Service Firmic did reply being like, I don't relate to any of this. And his his explanation was, he was like, the only model that works is asking people to pay for the core framework. And he kind of stated it like, that's obvious. Doing anything else doesn't work.
Speaker 2:And in my head, I'm like, well then why did you try for the last eight years to do other stuff? Like, we all know that asking your customers to pay for your open source product is not a situation anyone really wants to be in. It just kind of guarantees that you never really grow once you start doing that.
Speaker 1:It does sound tricky like just from like a I've been using this open source framework or library for years and now all of a sudden, how do you like, you have to like put a credit card in to get it? Well, how do you pay for it? Like, it comes off GitHub.
Speaker 2:Oh, Here's here's another thing. I don't understand the enforcement of this. Like, how do they know how much revenue do you have? How do they know how many apps Yeah. You're deploying?
Speaker 2:Are they now like hooking in to a bunch of places? Like, you have to
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good point. Like, the the 2,000,000 or whatever you said it was revenue, like, I don't I use frameworks all the time. They don't know how much revenue my company makes.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with a good faith thing. Like, I'm sure some large percentage of people will say, like, okay, we are we do need to pay. Like, our our relationship with Replicash is like that. Replicash is a similar model where it's free unless you raise a certain amount of money or you're you're making a certain amount of money. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And like, we like the company, we don't want to screw them so we good faith pay. Yeah. But I I'm I'm like more confused about like the deployment, like tracking the number of deployments. Like do I do I just self report everything? I'm like, have a 100 deployments, are we gonna pay you for that or Yeah.
Speaker 2:Are they like analytics inside the CLI? It just seems like kind of clunky to actually Mhmm. Implement this.
Speaker 1:So you've been very vocal about, like, your approach or your as SST, your approach to open source monetization. Do you think there's, a fundamental this has been, like, a big topic for years about like open source sustainability. Is that actually an issue or is it just people need to get more creative? I I think I know where you stand on this but I'm just I'd like to hear
Speaker 2:your spot Well, I I think there's let's I think we just need to separate companies from like, more pure open source efforts. If you're again, I was going back to Solid JS team, I categorize them under, yes, like, maybe we need to think about how to support these teams better as an overall industry. That's fine. Like, they're not trying to build a company. They're all volunteers in their spare time.
Speaker 2:There's a foundation, whatever. But then people also point to situations like Gatsby or again, like the serverless framework. And this is just a different thing. You try to build an open source company, which is great. I think more people should try to do this because there's a lot of benefits to the world for doing this.
Speaker 2:But the thing I always say, like, it's it's doubly hard because you need to nail two killer products and most people can't even nail one. If by miracle you somehow nail one and you get the timing right and people are adopting it and it's growing, now you need to start over and nail a secondary product just as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I I don't envy the three of you at SST with the just the execution road map laid out in front of you in terms of the open source side and then you have the the console side. Like, that's just a lot to juggle. It's hard.
Speaker 2:It's yeah. It's hard. And there are people that pull it off and a lot of people, a lot of companies fail at it. But, yeah, to me it's like, it's not fundamentally impossible again because we see companies that have done it. I keep pointing to Tailwind because we talk about like, it's a sustainability.
Speaker 2:Is anyone like worried about the Tailwind people at all? No, of course not. Like they know what they're doing and like they figured out their model and they have a good way to sustain themselves. So it's definitely possible but, you know, it's it's not easy. So I think there is a temptation to explain away some of these failures as like some external issue with our industry but just normal startup failures like you're you didn't find a product that hit.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure our CI product probably made more money than their CI product and that's that's like a problem, right? That's like
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Why didn't why why was there an opportunity for like another company to build on top of your users?
Speaker 1:Their framework.
Speaker 2:HashiCorp had the exact same problem. Like they had there's a few companies that executed on the paid product better than HashiCorp did. So, yeah. To me, it's like the we see this all the time. Like this happens over and over and over.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, that went pretty well. I I was a little nervous about what you would say. You only probably triggered, like, a handful of my friends. Love you people.
Speaker 1:If you wanna come on the show, we could talk about it. Good times. Anything else you wanna say about that before I try to gracefully transition to something on my list? No. Okay.
Speaker 1:Cool. So you gotten a little bit of a a Twitter. You just write such long tweets now. Of course, a tweet Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've wrote in some long ones.
Speaker 1:You write a tweet that long, like, somebody's gonna take issue with some part of it. Like, there's just no way you're getting out unscathed, especially with your communication, the way you tweet.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, it's like you write a short tweet and people misinterpret it. You write a long long tweet, people focus on one line that they don't like.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Yeah. I like the long tweets. I saw Jay said write shorter tweets.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What the hell was that? I got sent tweeted by my own team.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. You guys are toxic in the best possible way. I love it. I have like a shake right now. Like, I am literally, like, just vibrating
Speaker 2:from Again, get too much coffee. Is this the second day in a row this happened to you?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm tapering. Yesterday, I had way too much. Today, I'm having too much for a normal day but, like, less than yesterday.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I have no food in my system. So I'm quite jittery. You hear it in my voice?
Speaker 2:No. I can't tell. Well, maybe your eyebrow is switching a little.
Speaker 1:Don't Little bit. Also, cold plunge this morning, that doesn't help. There's like frost on the ground this morning. It's like the first frost here where like do you know what frost is? You're in Miami.
Speaker 1:Like, the the snow or
Speaker 2:the white stuff. Right?
Speaker 1:The grass is like frozen solid. Yeah. Yeah. And your breath, you could see your breath.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So like you get in the cold water and it's just like, why am I doing this on purpose?
Speaker 2:Does it cold plunge mean to do anything or do just fill with water and it's cold When just
Speaker 1:you stand outside, like I'm in next to nothing in my swimsuit. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:When you stand outside and it's 28 degrees outside, it's almost as bad as getting in the cold plunge. The the water still hits different. It still sucks worse. But, like yeah. You can just stand outside or go for a walk, and that's basically cold exposure.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's like cold therapy right there.
Speaker 2:I see.
Speaker 1:I'm shaking for lots of reasons, but I was trying to say this is not a topic I wanted to discuss. I do wanna discuss the oh, my GitHub handle. This is just a little thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes. Share the tragedy.
Speaker 1:I just have to tell you too. Something I forgot to mention yesterday. So I finally got in contact with the guy who owns adam.dev on GitHub. It's like the only social platform I don't have that handle for and it drives me bananas. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It drives me crazy to be honest. Because like when I go look look at your GitHub, I'm just reminded like, oh Uh-huh. It's different. That's annoying.
Speaker 1:It's different. And it's right now, I gotta change it because I wanna get my last name just like scrubbed from the Internet.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:And it's part of my GitHub handle. So finally got in contact with him. The way I got in contact with him was I realized, like, I hadn't been, like, mining his GitHub connections. So he had four people that followed him, and they're all from the well, I'm not gonna say. They're all from the same university overseas.
Speaker 1:And so I just DM'd all of them on LinkedIn because I found them.
Speaker 2:Yeah. This is kind of what Frank did to get our GitHub. Like, just crazy investigation stalking. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I DM'd them all. Nobody responded to me, but then he reached out to me. He added me on LinkedIn, he was like, hey. A few people have reached out saying you're looking to buy the adam dot dev handle.
Speaker 1:Not interested in selling. And then he ended it with this is part I forgot to tell you. He ended it with, love your site, by the way. Good luck with all your mini endeavors. I thought that was pretty funny.
Speaker 1:It's kind of a sick burn. Like, I don't know if he meant it as
Speaker 2:a word. I think he was just being genuine. Like, he probably thought it was like, good luck with your endeavors. But, you know.
Speaker 1:But he he doesn't wanna sell it for any price.
Speaker 2:I don't understand that. Why? Is he is it active? Is he I don't
Speaker 1:even That's what I can't get I can't get in my head. Not really. He's not I mean, he's got some stuff on there. I'm sure he uses GitHub. But like, I don't know why you wouldn't wanna sell, especially to a person who's known for buying things for way too much money.
Speaker 1:Like, I've done this before. It's a golden opportunity. You're sitting on a GitHub handle that is worth something. He's like still a default profile picture. He could sell it to me and just change it to whatever else.
Speaker 1:His full name. I don't know.
Speaker 2:This is so funny. It feels like this person has been put on a planet just to torture you
Speaker 1:because he's making And this irrational he doesn't know how much it bothers me, I'm trying to be polite. And like, I've told him if anything changes, please let me know. I'm just gonna have to wear him down. I'm just gonna have to get really annoying and message him every other week until he finally decides, you know what? I just wanna stop having to talk to this guy.
Speaker 1:Can he block me on LinkedIn? Is that a thing you can do?
Speaker 2:Yeah. For sure. And you can block your own email. Can block your But own so you should just start escalating the threats.
Speaker 1:I'll mobilize his friends against I'll just keep annoying them.
Speaker 2:Why would they listen to you? Oh.
Speaker 1:And then they'll be like, would you please just sell the handle thing? I gotta figure something out. Maybe the whole pod if you listen to this podcast, maybe you could help me out. And I'll we'll put it in the show notes. No, we won't.
Speaker 1:That's terrible. I'm not gonna put his name
Speaker 2:and contact information in the
Speaker 1:show notes. Man, I want that handle so bad. I'm gonna have to change my handle everywhere. That's what you said yesterday. I probably am.
Speaker 2:You're gonna have to change your handle everywhere or you're gonna have to play dirty and and throw Oh,
Speaker 1:how can I play dirty?
Speaker 2:Please tell Hire hire someone to shake him down in person.
Speaker 1:Shake him down? What do you even mean right now? In person? Dax. What are you what are you saying?
Speaker 1:What are you suggesting?
Speaker 2:Do you want this handle or not?
Speaker 1:I want it so bad. I'm not gonna resort to hiring a, I don't know, mob boss.
Speaker 2:Enforcer. Yeah. Yeah. Enforcer. Oh, man.
Speaker 2:You'd have handles, man. They're worth a lot. Another another option is to bribe the GitHub employee.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's terrible. I can't I can't, like, rip it out from underneath them. I did like, before I was able to get in contact with them and I didn't know how I was gonna get in contact with them, I thought, like, is this a trademark dispute? I own adam.dev, the domain. I own all the handles.
Speaker 1:Could I be like I mean, it's not trademarked, but like, come on. It's like, it's on my wall. Like, it's my it's my name.
Speaker 2:I had a situation with a domain that I wanted and it was owned by some like random little ISP or something. It's just like some small business that didn't seem very active in Michigan. Yeah. And they just would not sell it for anything and it didn't seem usable.
Speaker 1:I wish I could get in the headspace of that psychology. Like, if you if like, what do you why would you not even listen to an offer in this case? Don't know if if they it came to
Speaker 2:that for you. It's so different to me. I'll sell anything. I'll sell literally anything. Like
Speaker 1:Like, I'll decide Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll sell it.
Speaker 1:Tomorrow, I would just stop being on the internet at all if somebody's like, I wanna buy your online presence. You got it.
Speaker 2:Here's I'll sell you Zuko. I'll sell you Zuko. Whatever.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't tell my boys. But other than that
Speaker 2:But for the right price?
Speaker 1:I mean, everything has a price. Right? You also didn't mention Well, your not my obviously, not my wife or my kids. But like everything else, it's got a price. Everything has a price.
Speaker 1:Anyway. Okay. Could you just steal it somehow? Could you like go to the dark web and like do the things you do on the
Speaker 2:I dark was I was kidding about all the all of everything I said so far so Trying to cover tracks. Mhmm. Keep trying to cover my tracks. If you go and do something crazy, I don't wanna be, at fault.
Speaker 1:Man, that reminds me. I forgot to say something to you. Mhmm. The other day, there was an interaction on Twitter that cracked me up. You said, it was like, Aiden commented on something you tweeted or I tweeted.
Speaker 1:I don't know. And you were like, like that time you banned me on Twitch because Aiden works for Twitch. Yes. Like that time you banned me on Twitch and made what did you say? You said something
Speaker 2:I I accused him. I claimed that he used his access to ban everyone from my Twitch stream until I paid him a ransom.
Speaker 1:Right. Right. Right. And his his response, now that I've hung out with Aiden in person, I can just picture him saying it too. And his response was like, to be very clear, I did not do this Dax is joking.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He did. He got very nervous.
Speaker 2:He did being like,
Speaker 1:He was so clearly scared. And I was
Speaker 2:like, maybe I should make you pay me a ransom to stop.
Speaker 1:So you actually started doing the thing you accused him of. This brings up a point that I've always wondered. Like, I've never heard an answer to this. What like, what is the law or why can, like, say they're doing a certain drug in, like, a song? Or why can, like why could I just, like, tweet tomorrow something awful and, like, can't get in trouble for it?
Speaker 1:Why can you say stuff? Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because it's not so what crime are you being accused of? Like, conspiracy to smoke weed?
Speaker 1:No. Not weed. What if what if like I don't know. What's something super super illegal to consume or own or
Speaker 2:I don't know. Any any schedule on drug like cocaine?
Speaker 1:Like, if you took a picture of some illegal weapon or something that you possess or yeah. You'd I'm doing cocaine right now. If I say that publicly, why can't I get in trouble?
Speaker 2:Because what what's the actual crime you committed? The crime wasn't that you said it. It's not like a speech crime. It had to be, again, like conspiracy to do cocaine, which
Speaker 1:But I said I'm doing cocaine. The the pry the the crime I did is cocaine. I did cocaine.
Speaker 2:But if the only piece of evidence that people have is the fact that you said it?
Speaker 1:I mean, it came from my mouth. I am the witness. I am the person the the perpetrator and the witness. Isn't that
Speaker 2:Well, like, unless you're gonna go bring up charges on yourself and then be and then give a confession. Like, it it's okay. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1:So why couldn't you bring up charges? Why couldn't you charge oh, that's like only police people can charge?
Speaker 2:Why couldn't I no. I can ask the police to press charges and they were probably declined because it's not worth their time for like something they know that is hard to prove in court.
Speaker 1:So they can't prove it by just playing back the tape of me on video being like, I'm doing cocaine right now. Well They're like physically showing it. Whatever you do with cocaine Physically showing
Speaker 2:it maybe. Yeah. But it's again, it's like, I don't think anyone's gonna try that hard for a drug crime, you know.
Speaker 1:I don't know enough about law enforcement. Me neither. So that's what
Speaker 2:don't think. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But what okay, what about like, I feel like rappers probably talk about killing people.
Speaker 2:Okay. So so there there is a thing where, if you are charged directly with a crime Mhmm. They can bring up things that you've said to that point to you planning the crime.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So but that's different, right?
Speaker 1:So that could be like a rap song could be admissible as evidence in a court of
Speaker 2:have done that. It's like really weak evidence though. Like it's not stuff that should count and there's actually
Speaker 1:videos That's art.
Speaker 2:There's videos of, I forgot who it was. It was some lawyer and some rapper, like, laughing while they were play pointing to, like, lyrics being like, this is so stupid. Like, it's like, it's it's really it's like circumstantial. It's like what like, you can say anything just because you said it, does that mean it makes it true?
Speaker 1:Like I see.
Speaker 2:Don't know. You you always have a defense against against that being of saying like, I was being sarcastic or like, was artistic or like, you know. And that's good. Like, shouldn't you should be able to claim those things.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I guess it I guess it makes sense now. I've always had that question. I don't know why I've never asked it to anybody.
Speaker 2:I I mean, I don't know the direct answer. Maybe a lawyer can can give us the the real answer.
Speaker 1:We should have a lawyer on. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2:Would it?
Speaker 1:I I would just wanna immediately ask them, like, are you losing your job to chat GPT? Like, you going away?
Speaker 2:Maybe like contract maybe like The Boring Lawyers? Yeah, probably. That's what
Speaker 1:I'm saying. I genuinely believe lawyers could be on the way out or at least some of them.
Speaker 2:I haven't used The Boring Lawyer in forever. I've like, even without AI, I found enough tools to, like, avoid that. Like incorporating a business, that used to require
Speaker 1:a Well, that's easy. But like, I don't know. There gets it's like, as a startup person, you know, there's stuff that happens that's just no?
Speaker 2:Even then, I did I did a whole fundraise myself, no Did
Speaker 1:you do like safes? I mean, you just do like Yeah.
Speaker 2:Exactly. We did safes. It was very easy to self administer.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Guess there are like a lot of tools now to just kind of like get pretty far without needing custom Yeah. Stuff. If you do any like deals, like b to b deals, I think that stuff maybe you need a custom.
Speaker 2:So even there, we've gotten away with just finding some shit online and chat gbt only makes easier.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:It's funny you're talking about custom deals. I gotta cover my address but you see that? Blocked? Is it flipped? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do you know what Blocked is?
Speaker 1:Oh, is that your is that your your shares?
Speaker 2:I just got my shares yesterday
Speaker 1:and and blocked Physically, you got physical shares? It's like in Carta but you get that too?
Speaker 2:No. It's not in Carta. It's it's in something called computer share. It just looks like the most nineties thing ever. What?
Speaker 2:And they'd sent me no information about it digitally. They just sent me this piece of paper with the number of shares and the value.
Speaker 1:Are you retiring? Is that it? Okay. I mean, you were a VC. You you VC'd and now payday.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know, I've never lost money on a on a startup investment.
Speaker 1:Like none of them have gone to zero yet?
Speaker 2:So I've done, I think Sorry,
Speaker 1:I shouldn't say yet.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that's fair. I think I've done five five investments. Three of them have exited with a positive return for me, and the other two are still alive. One is doing insanely well. The other one's SSD.
Speaker 1:That's an incredible track record, though. Like, I feel like that's not normal. I mean, it's I guess it's small time angel investing in the sense that's five of them. Some people do, I don't know, a lot.
Speaker 2:The thing is though, it's like all the ones that succeeded succeeded in a way that I didn't expect. So I was like wrong but I lucked out which is how almost all investing works which is why you never listen to VCs about anything. You're usually right by accident.
Speaker 1:I've never, I've never done any investments. Casey, not a big fan of the idea of all of my income comes from tech to then like turn around and invest in tech companies. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It does it's not for the money at all.
Speaker 1:What is it for? The cache? Is that a word?
Speaker 2:Well, to me for me, it's if if I can do this and I can end up breaking even or like losing, let's say, 20%, whatever, like losing some some small percentage of
Speaker 1:it Mhmm.
Speaker 2:That's a massive success because the main reason is to find people you like and instantly submit like a permanent lifelong connection. Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that does do that, I would think.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's to me
Speaker 1:So it's really for the friendships? Yeah. It all comes down to the friendships.
Speaker 2:Like, you don't make money, Angel, investing. Like, I'm really like like I said, I've gotten lucky so far but if I continue to do this for ten, fifteen more years, if I break even that would be a success. Like I don't it's just It's a hobby. It's too weird at like early stages like this Yeah. That you just never know even if even if everything makes sense so
Speaker 1:You can put investor in your bio though, that's a perk.
Speaker 2:There's only a downside. Investor's a stupid job. Oh my god, it's a stupid job. I went to, I went to something with Stefan last week in Miami. It was like an event hosted by VCs.
Speaker 1:Ah, one of the rich parties, we've talked about this.
Speaker 2:Well, it was like on a nice rooftop and I guess there was food but I guess it probably was expensive to throw but it didn't really feel like like we're living the life. Like we do when we're we're when we're on the yachts, it's quite difficult. The yachts. Yeah.
Speaker 1:With Pitbull. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I was like so floored because almost every single stereotype that you imagine was just like thrown in my face like crazy.
Speaker 1:Do you know how on
Speaker 2:Twitter, every investor investor, if you look on their bio, what do you see? What do you see if you go their bio?
Speaker 1:Is it a is it an emoji?
Speaker 2:No. No. That's DevRel's. DevRel's with avocado emoji.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be I'm gonna kick myself for not knowing but I can't think of it.
Speaker 2:Okay. So it's early investor in Uber Oh. Airbnb, like all these companies you heard of.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:And it's like, why are there like thousands of people with this in their in their profile? So I kid you not, every single person I talk to there, less than one minute, first sixty seconds will throw in by the way, we were early investors in X. Like, without fail. By the way, we were the first check into Superhuman. By the way, we were the first it's just like, every interaction for them is like, I don't know who you are, I need to establish my credibility as soon as possible.
Speaker 1:I'm so smart.
Speaker 2:And I pick the winners. And this is how I do it. Yeah. And some people I even saw were like, when I would hear them introduce themselves to people and they wouldn't be like, hey, I'm Daxx. They would say, hey, I'm I'm I'm Daxx from like whatever VC firm they're
Speaker 1:working with.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Instantly, you know, credibility. I'm Daxx from blah blah blah. I'm a random person. I'm like somebody.
Speaker 2:It's the most extreme version of probably all this stuff that we hate. Yeah. It was it was funny.
Speaker 1:That's tough. That's pretty funny. Well, is that
Speaker 2:yeah. I met some nice people but,
Speaker 1:you know I mean, yeah. I know some nice investors for sure. There's lots of people. I still get Christmas cards from an investor that lovely family. I do I do I wonder, like, is venture capital a permanent fixture in society or no?
Speaker 2:No. I like want I don't think so. I mean, not in the way it's been. Like, it's fun Yeah. It's just funny talking to them because from my point of view, it's so clear to me that their entire life is just dictated by the overall market going up and down.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They're real estate agents. They're basically real estate agents. Anyone can get the job. You just decide today, I'm a real estate agent.
Speaker 1:I'm a venture capitalist. And there's no bar. It's like, it's all just random. And if the market's doing really well, it's a good job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. For 99% of people, they're just they're not doing anything. They're just, like, slaves to whatever the market's doing. But then their feelings around it are, like, they don't perceive it in that way. So they were just, like, so, like, confused or like reacting to this stuff in a way where I don't know, it was just really weird.
Speaker 2:It like seemed kind of fake because let's be real, every VC is struggling right now. A lot of them are struggling just because money's not as available, markups aren't happening like they used to, IPOs aren't happening as it used to. But you talk to every VC and almost the exact same candle line which is, oh yeah, I think this is so great. It's so good. Like our industry really needed like a cleanup phase.
Speaker 1:Needed a reset.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It needed a reset. It's like, you're the people that are being reset, like, it's you. It's not everyone else except for you, it's you. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it's just funny, like, it's I feel like they live in this weird you know what it feels like to me? I feel like me as a founder, I'm so close to reality because the market is like punching me in the face every single day. Yeah. They're so far removed to it but from it but like are still trying to have the same level of insight as a founder. So they always just come off like really confused and unaware of like, any any like amount of reality.
Speaker 2:It's a hard position because they're not near anything that's going on. They're getting it through like second hand, third hand accounts from like the companies they've invested in. It's just
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh, by the way, I learned a new word while I was there. Every VC kept saying Portco. We had our Portcos in. Every week, we try to have a Portco.
Speaker 1:I've heard this word a
Speaker 2:lot. No. I haven't heard it before. It was new for me.
Speaker 1:I've I've socialized with lots of Portcos. Fellow fellow Portcos.
Speaker 2:Portfolio companies. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, of course. I feel like more of a venture capitalist than you all of a sudden. I've never made any angel investments.
Speaker 2:Well, I I think you've more directly raised money than I have. So
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe.
Speaker 2:You probably have more experience with this. Anyway, any VCs listening, don't take it personally, invest in us. Oh, Jesus. Man, we better get to
Speaker 1:probably I mean, I didn't think about yeah. Okay. Maybe we shouldn't talk about venture capitalists. Okay. Oh, I had a list.
Speaker 1:Don't know. It feels dumb now to read my list.
Speaker 2:No. No. Read it. I think we went off topic for a little bit but
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, there is no topic. So oh, I mentioned my aura ring. I need you to buy one with my code.
Speaker 2:I don't Because I don't want one.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. Just listen. Hear me out. They're great.
Speaker 1:And if you buy one and one other person buys one, I'll get some kind of air purifier. I didn't know I wanted an air purifier, but now I do.
Speaker 2:I have an air purifier in my, in my office right now.
Speaker 1:What brand is it?
Speaker 2:Oransi. It's good. Okay. Don't know. Don't know
Speaker 1:what that is.
Speaker 2:Do do you know the DHH people are obsessed with this?
Speaker 1:No. The d when you say the DHH people, you mean like the base camp people?
Speaker 2:The base camp. Yeah. Like they have so many talks talking about I don't know I don't know if they're still obsessed with this, but there was definitely a period of time where they were like, air quality is terrible and it affects your programming ability and they were like, really into air purifiers and like, documenting the best ones and saying that everyone should have one and what a big impact Wow.
Speaker 1:It can have.
Speaker 2:Okay. But the way people talk about sleep and your performance, like they were kind of talking about that with air quality.
Speaker 1:With air quality. Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I actually did get one of the ones that they were into. I don't know if it does anything. We honestly got it because we have a lot of pets and when you have a lot of pets, they're just like stuff in the air like dander, hair. Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, that
Speaker 1:makes sense.
Speaker 2:So again, I don't know if it helps with that but it feels like it's doing something.
Speaker 1:Like, we do know fragrances. So like, Casey everything we buy is unscented.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Same. Let's just let's hate it.
Speaker 1:Casey's really sensitive.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. I feel like women hate scented stuff. Yeah. It's so weird.
Speaker 1:If anybody comes over and they have like a strong scent, it just lingers in our house for days. I would love if something would suck that scent out of the air.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm super well, you guys must have something built into your house.
Speaker 1:I think we do. We have like a whole house air purifier and a humidifier, like in our AC. I don't know. Something about that. But like, I don't know.
Speaker 1:This thing said they'd give me a free one if I just got a few people to sign up, so now I want it. I'm a consumer. I'm not
Speaker 2:signing up, so
Speaker 1:find another
Speaker 2:Fine. Fine.
Speaker 1:You know what? Fine. I'm gonna put the link in the show notes. There you go. I'll give it to Chris.
Speaker 2:He'll put it in the
Speaker 1:show notes. If you're listening, listen, they're great. Look them up. Here's one right now. Oh, you're not watching the video probably.
Speaker 2:Okay. So here's my issue. Is there a reason I don't I like stopped using any of these things or I stopped trying to use these things? Mhmm. What is your charging habit around it?
Speaker 1:It's it has a charge for like seven days.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But my my whoop was also like a multi day thing but still, what is your charging habit around it?
Speaker 1:So far, I've charged it once and I just did it in the middle of the day when I was sitting at my desk doing nothing. So I didn't need to track anything.
Speaker 2:That was it. And and do you feel like that you'll sustain that forever or do you eventually feel like you'll you'll follow that?
Speaker 1:I'm going to wear this literally forever. So here's the great thing about it. I can't wear my watch when I roll with in jujitsu. Like, it's just too big and clunky and it would hurt somebody. But I can wear this and it tracks my heart rate during my rolls.
Speaker 1:So it's the first time I've had insight into, like, the actual activity that I'm getting in jujitsu, which is great. And sleep. Sleep data. It's great. Someone buy it, please.
Speaker 1:I need a couple people. Just buy it on my link. Thanks. That's enough about the Oura Ring. I feel like I just did a commercial.
Speaker 1:It's like the first time we've ever, like
Speaker 2:It wasn't a good commercial. I don't think anyone's gonna buy it.
Speaker 1:It wasn't very good. Yeah. You made the anti case, so that didn't help.
Speaker 2:I made the anti case, and you just didn't refute it.
Speaker 1:So I didn't do a very good job. Yeah. Yeah. Well, whatever. Did you know Casey, my wife, we did the InsideTracker thing?
Speaker 1:It's while we're doing commercials. Have heard of InsideTracker?
Speaker 2:No. I have no idea what that is. What is that?
Speaker 1:If you listen to Huberman, you would know exactly what InsideTracker is. It's like a blood test. Like, they they do, like, all these genetic markers, and they they basically come back and tell you your cellular age. So, like, you've been on Earth for a certain number of years, but that doesn't mean that your cellular age reflects your calendar age.
Speaker 2:Right. I got you. Because, know, depending on your life, you could have stressed yourself more.
Speaker 1:Yeah. She's almost ten years younger cellularly than she is calendarly.
Speaker 2:That's great for her.
Speaker 1:What about you? I know. I haven't done it yet. She did it first. I got it for her birthday.
Speaker 1:That's good. Yeah. So I'm just saying, we're we may be in our mid thirties. I'm calling mine mid thirties still. But we're, like, we're really in our twenties, basically.
Speaker 1:We haven't even hit the three o mark.
Speaker 2:Just saying. What if someone in their twenties does it and it says they're like 14?
Speaker 1:So we have this yeah. So we have this theory. That's the whenever we talk about anti aging stuff, it does come down to like, how long do you try and reverse it? Like, what's the lowest you go? Like, 18?
Speaker 1:Like, when do you stop antiaging? Like, you don't wanna be an adolescent again.
Speaker 2:It becomes illegal if you go below 18. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No. It's like the we we have a theory and we haven't read this, but that like your body's really good at like just repairing itself up until your mid twenties, thirties, whatever. Mhmm. So like I don't think anybody's probably aging too much past their age in their twenties. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Like, you can eat like garbage and feel fine when you're 20.
Speaker 2:And we're talking about your your grandfather that just did all the bad stuff.
Speaker 1:That's true. Until he was 94. He did walk to his job every day and he had like a job he loved. He owned a clothing store. I think that was a big part of it.
Speaker 2:That's that's huge. I I talk about this all the time. I feel like the best thing for your old age is to have a job that you like and they're still active doing it.
Speaker 1:Because he he eventually, like he didn't retire retire but but he he had had to to slow slow down down a a bit. Bit. Mhmm. Mhmm. And And I think that that probably did it.
Speaker 1:Like, when he wasn't able to be at the store, he still wanted to know like what the numbers how many jeans did we sell today? Like, when he was days from dying. I mean, he was he was really into it. Yeah. But yeah, he was pretty overweight like
Speaker 2:All the people that I see that are old and, like, surprisingly with it are all, like, still working. I think about Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett probably might die tomorrow. Like, I don't I wouldn't be surprised if he literally just died any day. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he's like
Speaker 1:But he was pushing it not till the
Speaker 2:work. Like, he's still being quoted. He's like, how many people that age are still like in the news like for their expertise? It's kinda crazy. And also other guy, Charlie Munger also, same situation.
Speaker 1:So now I gotta I gotta find a job for my wife so we can grow to be a 120 together. Because raising kids is stressful and not fulfilling. And it only lasts for twenty years. What? Well, I mean, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Like, she doesn't wake up and go like, I can't wait to do this stuff today.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know.
Speaker 2:It's the stuff you have to do.
Speaker 1:But I guess, like, eventually, we're gonna be 90 and we're not gonna be doing what we do today. She'll have to figure it out just like we'll have to figure it out. Okay. Liz and Casey are fine. They're gonna live forever.
Speaker 1:They're women too. They live longer, right?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I feel like, Liz is very masculine in a lot of ways. Like, she's definitely more like the I don't know, I can see her dying from a heart attack. We always joke about
Speaker 1:this I where she lies with
Speaker 2:don't know. He's like, well no, it's funny because like, dying from a heart attack is a very, like, masculine sounding way to die Like, for her, like, would die in a heart attack in a boardroom. That's like her.
Speaker 1:That's like her. Sounds like a 55 year old male, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Okay.
Speaker 1:That's all I wanna talk about on my list.
Speaker 2:What?
Speaker 1:So you have to You have to come up with the You have to come up I
Speaker 2:thought you You have one item on your list.
Speaker 1:I okay. I have more stuff. No. I've read like three okay. Fine.
Speaker 1:I'll talk about them. I'm gonna teach. Yeah. I'm gonna do it. I'm making I'm gonna do the teaching thing.
Speaker 1:I'm going full Matt Pocock. Matt Pocock. If you follow Matt Pocock
Speaker 2:Is that, you know, like is that your archetype of person you're trying to emulate?
Speaker 1:Like Kinsey Dodds, Matt Pocock.
Speaker 2:Well, I I was wondering if it was specific because Matt does a lot of, like, the shorts and, like, little Yeah. Bite sized things and stuff. I I feel like Kent does No.
Speaker 1:He's gonna be basically gonna be tweeting and doing YouTube videos and making educational materials, doing workshops. I'm gonna teach stuff. You know what it is? I realized it it hit me with this latest Vercel slash Next. Js with Next.
Speaker 1:Js Conf. It hit me that, like, I complained so much on the Internet about things I don't like in terms of technology, and I've never really put out what I do like. Like, here's how I like to do things.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And I I don't hear a lot of people, like, championing the the way I do things. There's a lot of people doing this the way I
Speaker 2:do things.
Speaker 1:I just don't see a lot of educators teaching, like, how to build real product for a startup, for instance, on AWS, for instance, with SST, for instance. Anyway, yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna like, I'm making stuff. I'm going all in on it.
Speaker 2:No. It's great. I think this is this is like how you started. Right? This is why you ended up with all the equipment that you have.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh. This is your initial intention.
Speaker 1:To make a course. Yes. I announced it
Speaker 2:My inspiration for it.
Speaker 1:A year ago. Yeah. Finally
Speaker 2:Wait. You had a name for
Speaker 1:it. It was gonna be AWS for web devs. That's just too much. That's, like, really long. So I've now I'm rebranding it to modern AWS.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:There's there's, like, AWS, which is this giant thing. And, like, that's not what the course is about. The course is about building modern applications. Like, AWS can be modern, and there are lots of nice shiny things we get now. SST is a big example of that.
Speaker 1:Like, you can have awesome TypeScript mono repos and build on AWS. And I don't know how many people realize that outside of the SSD community or outside of startup community or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. It's I mean, I I like the modern AWS because I think it it does a good job of hinting that there's something you don't know. Yeah. Modern AWS.
Speaker 1:There's something you don't know.
Speaker 2:Like is there something that changed? And yes, there is a lot that changed. Yeah, it's exciting. I I feel like you're gonna be able to put out, like, you're good at putting out high quality stuff. So
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think it'll be good. I'm excited to, like, play with all kinds of things. I want to I've always wanted to make a course on AWS stuff that, like, vended out AWS accounts.
Speaker 2:Like, you
Speaker 1:were a student, you bought the course, here's your AWS account. Don't worry. You don't have to worry about the bill.
Speaker 2:Like We spent like four hour we had like a four hour meeting trying to figure out how to do that.
Speaker 1:Oh, no. Is it not possible?
Speaker 2:It is possible but it's not you need to do funny some funny stuff. Okay. The the ultimate issue is, at the end of the day, there needs to be a credit card before the account is
Speaker 1:used. I'm Yeah. It's gonna be in my organization. It's gonna be my credit card. I'm I'm gonna create accounts in my organization for each student.
Speaker 2:But how do you prevent, like, abuse?
Speaker 1:That's on me. That's that's my job.
Speaker 2:That's why I was a four
Speaker 1:hour a my students. Yeah. Yeah. It was hard. It's a hard problem.
Speaker 1:But I think it's solvable. Like, I think with SCPs, I could, like, knock out 90% of the problems.
Speaker 2:You can prevent people from spinning up certain resources. By the end of the day, you need them to spin up a Lambda.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And there's gonna have to be like like some cutoffs and some things that that, like, I prevent. But it's gonna be like a a hefty course price. Like, this is for start
Speaker 2:ups No. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Founders and and teams. Like, I I feel like there's some wiggle there if people accidentally incur some currency.
Speaker 2:Because no one buy the course just to abuse it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the country price is too high.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. Yeah. It's different for us because we it was like public. It was like free.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. It's like a free thing. Yeah. It's totally different if yeah. Anybody could just start mining crypto and
Speaker 2:Yeah. That makes sense. And and like, what's your approach with it? Do you think you're gonna like put in a bunch of effort to make the course first and then like start to do other stuff or like, do you like
Speaker 1:So what I wanna do is do a workshop in December. It's gonna be a long play because I do have a full time job and like this is gonna be kind of in my free time. But I'm gonna do a workshop in December. It'll just be kind of like the first module of the course, I think. But do it kind of in a live, like, 20 or 30 seats workshop where I can, like, get feedback on the content, see how it resonates, and then kinda like turn that into part of the course down the line.
Speaker 1:So I'll I'll do a few workshops sometime over the next several months and then eventually sometime next year, middle of next year maybe, have like an actual paid self paced course. That's the goal.
Speaker 2:What is a workshop? I always see these professional course people do this. They like do a workshop and then they like Yeah. That, like, rolls up into their course. And,
Speaker 1:like, what is that? It's just like an interactive, like
Speaker 2:Presentation. Usually
Speaker 1:all day or half day. Like, it's like a course. It's like if like like a class, like a university class,
Speaker 2:Okay. I think.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Where there's, like, 30 students and there's a teacher and you're at the end of it, there's some tangible thing that everybody learned and felt confident in doing. Yeah. There's, like, a whole science around workshops, and there's this book. Well, you know, Joel Hooks.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Badass dev. He's got all kinds of resources. He points to this book on workshops. It's kind of the definitive.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see. Oh, that's funny. You get to, like, learn a new skill.
Speaker 1:Yes. I love learning new skills. I love all of that. I think it's it's a cross section of a lot of things I'm into. Sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm very excited about it. No. It's good. Partly caffeine. It's partly I I just I felt like I always thought I wanted to try teaching and, like, get into the education space.
Speaker 1:I never felt like I had a handle, like, on a on a idea of what it is I had to offer. And it's finally just in the last few days, it feels pretty clear. Like, for startups building product, digital product, I feel like I have something to offer there. And I think they should do that on AWS, and I think there's enough there that I can come up with just infinite number of things to talk about. And that's the thing, I guess.
Speaker 1:Like, when you watch Matt talk about TypeScript, he could just talk about different things. He could he has no end to the things he could share, knowledge he's accumulated. I feel like I've kind of got that with AWS and with startups and with this whole space.
Speaker 2:So Yeah. It's funny because, and I was saying this to you, it's such a huge space. Again, like the biggest conference in the world the tech conference in the world is an AWS conference. Like it's so Yeah. It's so big so you would assume that it's super oversaturated with educational stuff.
Speaker 2:But I was telling you the other day, people always ask me like, hey, like how do I like become good at AWS? Like what resources do you recommend? And I literally tell them it doesn't exist. Like, to be honest, there's nothing I can point you to.
Speaker 1:So it's like the there's a ton of training resources put out by, like, actual AWS solutions architects.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:It's not what what this is, which is like you're a web developer or you're building a startup and you need like a honed it's it's like very different. There's like a sea of information out there, but that's not what people need. Yeah. And then there's like a lot of cert specific stuff. There's like, hey, you wanna pass the certs?
Speaker 1:Here's a bunch of training materials.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like very like technical. It's like technical is not the word. It's like, you know what it is? It's stuff that flows down from AWS.
Speaker 2:AWS Yeah. Like dictates certain things and then people like build their own stuff according to those roles or those recommendations, etcetera.
Speaker 1:This will be a much more, like, unsanctioned Right. AWS resource. That's from the perspective of somebody who's probably more modern web dev than I am cloud nerd.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's it's funny because I was thinking about this this morning because there was this, a post on Hacker News today which was about should you use, LambdaLith? So like, should you have like a single Lambda function that has a bunch of routes or should you break it up? And I was looking at the replies and so many replies were like, yeah, breaking up into a bunch of routes is like dumb and like, don't know why they keep recommending this or I don't know why this is such a thing or and I was reading that and I was like, it's so crazy how far we've come in in two years because when I was first getting into serverless and had the same question, like, why can't I just put all my routes in a single function? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Overwhelmingly, everywhere, it said like bad idea bad idea bad idea wrong, bad practice, whatever. And I kind of like went along with that and then eventually I realized like, no, that's not that doesn't actually make sense. Like we've gone it's like this idea of having like a million little functions is like a made up solution that sounds Yep. And it's taken like years for that to like become a little bit, like, to correct itself. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's it's that kind of stuff, like you can't if you just go off of the like the again, sanction is a good word, like the AWS sanctioned stuff, like you end up in places that aren't fun. Like you end up with these Yes. Like grand architectures that sound good in theory but just like suck day to day. Mhmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is why I think AWS never makes it into certain discussions.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I hope I can I can be some part of the solution to that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think it's been needed for a while. Obviously, we are very interested in having something like that.
Speaker 1:Cool. You guys can just point everybody to my my stuff. That'd be great.
Speaker 2:That would be great. Yeah. And yeah, like you said, it's fun because like once you have that established, like, there's just gonna be like infinite stuff. There's always gonna be new stuff. There's always gonna be stuff that's changing.
Speaker 1:I was always so hesitant to like become like tech tutorial teacher guy. I don't know why.
Speaker 2:You're always hesitant for everything. You're always like
Speaker 1:I am.
Speaker 2:I don't wanna be an ex persona. It's like
Speaker 1:What yeah. What is wrong with me? I I'm self conscious about everything I do but I keep doing things that are like.
Speaker 2:Well, the other day you were like, I feel like I don't have an identity, which is like one struggle. And the other side, you're like, I don't wanna have an identity or I don't wanna have this identity. You're like, you're like shy away from having.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm leaning into it. I've decided there's lots of people I respect that are teachers. Of course.
Speaker 2:I don't know why
Speaker 1:I had some weird hang up about like tweeting. I think it's just like the there are some like grifters that just tweet out like
Speaker 2:There's a lot more grifters than there are people that are good at it.
Speaker 1:Yes. I wanna be one of the good ones. I wanna be one of the ones that does it right and actually helps people.
Speaker 2:It's like it's like you're not at risk of, like, becoming a grifter. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. Yeah. Right? I'm not
Speaker 2:It's like it's not like gonna happen to you, you know? It's like Okay. I don't think it just happens to someone where they turn into a grifter. I think it's Okay. They started out.
Speaker 1:Okay. Got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. I'm I'm excited for it. I think that's that's great. Modern did you get the domain?
Speaker 2:I bet you did.
Speaker 1:Oh, of course. All of them. All of I'm I'm in negotiations to buy the.com. But, yeah. All of them.
Speaker 2:Wait. Hang on. What do you mean all of them? Why is it not just one?
Speaker 1:I mean, most of the TLDs. Most of the ones the ones that matter.
Speaker 2:Like modernaws.dev?
Speaker 1:Yes. Of course. That's yes.
Speaker 2:Who owns a .com? Like, is there something out there? Use
Speaker 1:a broker to do all my domain no negotiations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man. Your broker probably loves you.
Speaker 1:I have a problem. Oh. I have an identity. I just don't like it. I don't like my identity.
Speaker 2:By domains.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's one of the factors. Yeah. One of the facets and listens to Huberman. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's exciting. I want I want this now.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, you'll get it soon. I'm gonna send an email to the to the list and, and do the rebrand on the website and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:I really have to pee. So I I just gonna have to pee. It's We're an hour in, I feel like. No. We're good.
Speaker 1:We did our our job. We did an episode. Episode number 69.
Speaker 2:69. What does that even mean?
Speaker 1:Oh, stop.
Speaker 2:Can someone see that? In the comments and the replies? Can you tag Adam and send him information about it so he can tell
Speaker 1:Please don't.
Speaker 2:Me pictures, drawings.
Speaker 1:From the Ozarks but I I do know what that means
Speaker 2:from me. It's
Speaker 1:a weird ending. This just
Speaker 2:just got kinda weird. Okay. A great ending.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna end the thing now.
Speaker 2:Alright. See you.
Speaker 1:See you, Dax.
