Where Does Our Motivation to Fix Bugs, Exercise, Shop, or Become a Politician Come From?
Let's just record a little a little goodbye here, Dax, so so Chris can use it for earlier.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Chris will know how to do that. Alright. See you, Dax.
Speaker 2:See you.
Speaker 1:So funny to me. Well, have you seen these these last minute Miami to Vegas flight deals? It's nuts. I keep getting advertisements for
Speaker 2:them. Oh, man. I I it took me a second.
Speaker 1:Everybody's gonna be there, Dax. It drives me nuts that you're not gonna be there.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I gotta always be contrarian.
Speaker 1:That is that is so you. Even, like, Kevin Naughton, who just does YouTube, he's not even a streamer. He's gonna be there.
Speaker 2:I'm not a streamer. You're not a streamer.
Speaker 1:What? We're streamers. We're just taking a break. Yeah. I just I wish I wish you were gonna be there because it's like then I would have my default.
Speaker 1:We're just, like, hanging out, and then it's like Yeah. We'll see a bunch of people. But now it's this pressure of, like, don't just be in the hotel room when you could be out.
Speaker 2:I told you you're you're gonna be that awkward guy at the end of the restaurant table, like, not being able to talk to anyone. It's gonna be depressing. You're gonna wish you didn't go. And everyone's gonna be using all all like all like Twitch lingo that you're not gonna understand. You're gonna be talking about stuff that you
Speaker 1:I've don't streamed in the last week. How about you?
Speaker 2:I haven't. That's why I'm not going. I'll I'll tell you. You're claiming to be You lost track of your argument.
Speaker 1:I did. That's funny. So you're definitely not going. Do I just need to close the door
Speaker 2:Definitely not. To my heart. Definitely not going. I've made that very clear. You need to not be You really have.
Speaker 1:I've just I've continued to ignore you and just hope that you'd come around.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. The, Aaron, the, replicash replicash Aaron, the founder of that Yeah. He just submitted a talk to React Miami, which I hope gets gets accepted because it's a very interesting topic. He talk he's gonna talk about, what we can learn from video games for like making these like real time stuff in web.
Speaker 2:It's funny because and his point is video games are always ahead of us in terms of architecture and it's so true. Like, I've seen this a bunch of times. In fact, I learned a bunch of distributed system stuff from reading a book on multiplayer gaming. And it was actually
Speaker 1:a really
Speaker 2:cool book. It like kinda goes through games I've played, like Age of Empires and a few other things and it talks about like
Speaker 1:Age of Empires.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It talks about their strategies for how they how they did multiplayer.
Speaker 1:Interesting. And there's a book.
Speaker 2:There's like a few different generations of them. Yeah. It's called, I forgot, multiplayer. It's very boring title. It's like multiplayer game programming, just like the most livable thing ever.
Speaker 2:The first section of it just goes over IP protocol, like just how the internet works, like, here's like the package shape and here's what goes in it and then when it gets wrapped by this other thing, here's what goes in that. And it's it's all so simple and elegant and like, yeah, anyway. But he's, he's giving a talk so I'm excited to see if he gets accepted because then I'll get to meet him. So I guess that React Miami is the only thing I'm gonna go to. But that's You're gonna
Speaker 1:roll out of bed and you're gonna like walk across town.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So if I I I guess my thing is if you want to hang out with me, you're gonna have to come.
Speaker 1:I'm coming. I'm definitely going to React Miami. That's gonna take my, like, my slot next year. When is that?
Speaker 2:Next year. Cool. It's like in May or something. April. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, as long as it's not my anniversary. But that's gonna take my like conference slot. I went to Render last year. I'll go to React Miami this year.
Speaker 1:This coming year.
Speaker 2:Well, you might not be able to because tickets are limited to everyone listening.
Speaker 1:Oh, no. Wait. Is it too late?
Speaker 2:No. It's not it's not too late. But I wanna pretend
Speaker 1:like it's too late. Is it open? Can you book now?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think so.
Speaker 1:What? Have you not been you don't even care if I go, dude.
Speaker 2:I tweeted a bunch about it. You're just not on Twitter.
Speaker 1:Well, tweeting is not telling me, your friend, to make sure and get a ticket so we can hang out at React Miami.
Speaker 2:Well, it just hasn't gotten that serious yet. Like, the sea of keys just went up.
Speaker 1:I'm disappointed.
Speaker 2:Why don't you use a bit of talk? Then you can go
Speaker 1:for free. I'm not gonna talk at a conference. It's not happening. Wow. The tickets are very affordable.
Speaker 2:You think so? Relatively to other conferences.
Speaker 1:Render was like I wanna say it was like $2,000
Speaker 2:That's for the insane. I'm pretty sure. That is crazy.
Speaker 1:And they're doing great work. Good job, everyone at Render ATL. I'm not trying to like
Speaker 2:That's how much I, Reinvent cost. Right? It's something about 2,000?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Reinvent was like $2,000.
Speaker 2:That's so crazy to me.
Speaker 1:And maybe I did like a premium pack. I don't know. I generally spend as much as I can on a thing. It's just stupid. Okay.
Speaker 1:But 3? $3.99?
Speaker 2:Premium they they give you, like, bottle service at the talk? Like,
Speaker 1:what? No. They had some options. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Oh, React My Mind is 400.
Speaker 1:Join the guest list. Okay. Whoo. Get on this.
Speaker 2:You should consider bringing a whole family also.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. No. I will. But anytime we can go to South Florida, we're looking for
Speaker 2:excuses. Yeah. You can say a couple days and
Speaker 1:In fact, we're probably coming to Florida, like, in the next month or so. Casey's gonna go to a volleyball thing in Saint Pete again.
Speaker 2:Oh, nice.
Speaker 1:And we were you know, we just did that beach vacation. You you visited us. Yeah. We decided after that vacation. Next vacation, we'll do, like, a mountainous somewhere cold and snowy in a cabin with hot cocoa.
Speaker 1:That was my idea. But we're gonna do a beach vacation again because now it's cold here, so we have to go somewhere warm. So beach vacations for the rest of my life. That's basically what's happening. Your video just did something terrifying.
Speaker 1:Oh, really? Okay. Well, right now, your video frame, I've got to take a screenshot. It went away. The moment I try first, what happened?
Speaker 1:And this no one that's listening to this is gonna care. But first, an ear started forming on your forehead. Then once it was fully formed, everything your face went black like a demon, and you were still moving around. It was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:That was what that was what was happening here.
Speaker 1:But Oh, I see.
Speaker 2:Yeah. The weird part is the audio. I couldn't hear you.
Speaker 1:It's
Speaker 2:funny. I'm looking forward to a world where this never happens. Where they were never like, they're frozen. Are they froze? Like, I can't hear you.
Speaker 1:I don't think yeah. I don't think it ever I think there's some kind of, like, law of physics or something at play because we've had teleconferencing for ten years now, and it's just always been an issue. There's always gonna be, oh, hang on. My headphones aren't connected. The first, like, five minutes of every call will forever be, oh, just one sec.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm just trying to get the thing working because I do this five times a day, but it just doesn't work ever. Can you even hear me right now? You're just staring at me.
Speaker 2:No. I can. I'm just thinking I'm I'm well, I was I was just thinking about how, like, when the military is, like, calling each other up, like, are they, like, like, like, can you hear me?
Speaker 1:She's like, saddling. And they're,
Speaker 2:like, oh, yeah, like, you know, there's a bomb, you know
Speaker 1:Hang on, you're you're on mute.
Speaker 2:It's like, when it's, like, that serious? Like, is it, when they're you know how how the president watches Seal Team six or whatever?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:What are they called?
Speaker 1:They're probably not using Google Meets for that.
Speaker 2:They're probably using Probably not. They're at least using Zoom. Yeah. Yeah. They're at least using Zoom.
Speaker 2:It's definitely not web based.
Speaker 1:That's a great point though. Like, what what does like critical teleconferencing look like? There's somebody who's figured this out.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It must just be that the the wires, like the little physical wire Yeah. Is like a 100% dedicated to this. Because I'm assuming when stuff like jitters and stuff, it's because it's on like On public internet. Stuff with unpredictable load and stuff.
Speaker 2:So that's my guess. Because yeah, mean even so I once had a meeting in New York, I forgot who we were talking, think we were talking to a law firm because we were like, needed some like financial regulation for the company we're working at. And was a super fancy law firm and we went up to like this giant, it was just like the two of us and it was like this giant like board boardroom type situation to meet one other person. But the fourth person was calling in on a giant TV in front of us. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I it was one of those like dedicated like Cisco line things and I could not believe it felt like he was in the room with us. Like something Wow. You pass some threshold and it starts to just feel like they're actually there. Yeah. The super low latency, completely clear, like, yeah, they're like, like, this feels good right now but there's still something that's off that we can't really Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, was like, damn, that is like some crazy technology that they
Speaker 1:have Dedicated network.
Speaker 2:Yeah. He was gonna call me from Vegas. I could see like some of the crazy mountains in the background.
Speaker 1:Yeah. When I worked in, like, New York finance stuff, they all, like these bond trading banks, like, trade between each other, they all have these direct connections.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. The microwave. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1:Oh, what? No. This was just like this company I worked for, they did all these Direct Connect installs. It's kinda like what Amazon does, but like they run fiber to your bank and you're directly connected to their platform. Like, that was just like a thing that they did for all the big banks and it just blew my mind to think of people, like, on the streets digging up concrete, like, running fiber lines because some customer wants the software.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, there's like a few crazy things like that. So one, like, stock market also has a data center you can co locate stuff in. So like, if you're a high frequency trader Yeah.
Speaker 1:They fight over like how far away, like it's the the length of cable, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And there's a crazier one, this is one I was thinking of. There is a microwave tower with a line of sight from like Chicago to New York. I don't know if it's that long of a distance but there's something that some fund built because they needed to beam information as fast as possible. Then they And can't like run a cable across like I don't know if it's Chicago I don't know it's that crazy, it might be like, whatever.
Speaker 2:But it was something to do with, like, when certain reports came out. I think it was Chicago because I'm pretty sure that University of Chicago does a bunch of those like big,
Speaker 1:They've got like the materials like CBOT.
Speaker 2:Or you know how how it's like the unemployment numbers are like whatever the big like economy numbers are. Yeah. Did think Chicago like did handle a bunch of those and they like beam those as fast as possible to New York so they can execute trades on them. Wow. And that's like worth it.
Speaker 1:That's Like, what
Speaker 2:that shaved or milliseconds that shaved.
Speaker 1:Just the efficiency of those markets is just kinda mind boggling. Like
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How reality just, like, becomes like, if something happens in the world that affects some company's future, just how quickly, yeah, that's factored into the market. It's just wild.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It is really crazy. Yeah. My I mean, like my dad spent most of his career working. He never worked on high frequency stuff but the stuff they do is just so so complicated.
Speaker 2:They'll like figure out like all of these like little tiny inefficiencies and like, it can be like a point 5% inefficiency somewhere but they can blow it up at like a billion dollar scale. Yeah. Right. And it starts to add up to something. It's like, yeah, insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's pretty nuts. And you're in you're entering the finance world.
Speaker 2:Hey. Hey. Personal finance.
Speaker 1:You're gonna build some software. Yeah. Quite different.
Speaker 2:I just wanna build for myself. I just wanna build something that I like.
Speaker 1:Build for yourself. Build something for you. That's really awesome. And then let me use it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll be a beta tester. Make my life easier too. That'd be great.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Hopefully. I like when people I know use something and then they tell me to fix it and I feel very motivated to fix it. Pretty good situation.
Speaker 1:Like when I use SST and I send you messages every day. Yeah. Things that I want you to do for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's just like things go from you you like know about a problem and like you don't really feel motivated to fix it and as soon as someone you like even kinda know tells you that they're running into it, you like just really wanna fix it. So yeah, it's really nice having that, like, really tight feedback loop like that.
Speaker 1:I feel like such a lazy, jerk because I'm not even doing contributions. I'm just, like, literally whenever this person submits a PR to SSD, I just send it to you. It's like, please please merge this. I'm doing nothing in this equation. I'm not merging it.
Speaker 1:I'm not
Speaker 2:really a lobbyist. It's it's great. I'm a lobbyist. You have access and you're lobbying There you go. Of the actual community.
Speaker 2:But you also represent, you know, a sizable
Speaker 1:I do. Sizable. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It it all makes sense.
Speaker 1:Don't worry. It all makes sense.
Speaker 2:If it didn't make sense, it wouldn't be happening, I think.
Speaker 1:Other things. There's so many things I wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, there was Evercell stuff. Maybe we should talk
Speaker 3:about that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. No. Do wanna talk about that because I don't understand what happened. I just saw like two tweets and then could you just explain Vercel is bad or something?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think I don't think anything that happened was that serious. Think I don't think there's anything deep to take away but the gist of it was, first, someone tweeted about how it's very complicated but what it looked like was it looked like Versaill released a template to build like a AI headshot generator app. Mhmm. And you know, there's like five different indie hackers that like have like an AI headshot generator app.
Speaker 2:So they were like, hey, Versal, what the hell? Like, why are you just cloning our business and making it so anyone can launch it? And they were upset by that. The details of it though were like Vercel didn't make that template, it was some other company that made it and Vercel did promote it cause, you know, it's a thing that deploys a Vercel. I don't think that's egregious.
Speaker 2:I also fundamentally don't think it's wrong to do that. Like, if you built a thing that can easily be cloned
Speaker 1:It can be cloned by a 100 people on Restyl.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And there's already like five other people, like, trying to build this exact same product. It's just like I I just don't have and everyone knows this, I don't have a lot of like Empathy. Four indie hackers. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm just like, you you you just jump on some hype train, then you build a ship of products in a week. Like, of course, it's not something that's super defensible. Like, go move on to the next thing. That's that's the entire strategy for what you're doing. But they were like first upset about that being like, well, why is Vercel doing this?
Speaker 2:Okay. To some degree, I get it. It is like a little weird, and given their size, maybe they need to like think twice about some of that stuff. But then that person followed up being like, oh, I think after he posted someone reached out to them saying like, oh yeah, like a Vercel employee reached out to me and was like, you need to change your domain name because it's too similar to one of my projects and like, we're gonna get like lawyers involved if you don't. So basically this employee of Vercel used, Vercel data to find who this person was Oh.
Speaker 2:To contact them. Mhmm. And then, like, kinda like threatened them using the weight of Vercel even though it was like a personal matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2:Which Then of course, like the Vercel team, like investigated and they fired that person. So that that like blew up because they were like, again, like you if you're gonna have a rogue employee at some point, this is gonna happen. The point I made though was this isn't to me, it's more the attitude around it where I might be reading too far into this, but I've seen this a few I've heard a few stories from, people interacting with Vercel employees. Not specifically, not like not really like the CEO or the CTO. It's always like someone lower down at the company Yeah.
Speaker 2:Where they kinda get like it's like a weird, like, power trip that this person is having where they're like, they think they're at this, like, elite company that's like so invincible in this shit, they just like abuse their power in some way. I've heard a bunch of stories like this, this doesn't fit into another thing. This person's like, I work at Vercel, who's this person think they are, you know, competing with me? And I think that's a side effect of a certain culture where, yeah, like their their whole vibe is like, we're elite and we're better than you. So you're eventually gonna attract people that are average, but now in this environment where they're told they're elite and like an average person in that environment is probably gonna like start to like overstep what is reasonable.
Speaker 2:So I I I don't like blame them for this individual employee doing that, but I do think that's kind of one of the side effects you get from that culture. And this very specific thing like harassing someone over a similar name that happened to us with OpenNext like from from like the Purcell leadership, were like, you have to change the name of OpenNext. A few other people have mentioned this type of thing where like, you know, like they they didn't do it in a way where they were like, we're gonna get lawyers involved, they dropped it when we were like kind of resistant to it, they didn't like push too hard. Yeah. But it is this like thing of being like, we, we have some amount of power to put this to like have this expectation that you would do, just do what we say.
Speaker 2:Like they asked someone that made, like their v zero product. Someone made like open v zero and they like, got the guy to change the name.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Again, not by threatening or anything just by saying
Speaker 1:Yeah, just kind of like
Speaker 2:We're Vercel, Please change anything. So that type of thing, I think, does, like, trickle down and people start Yeah. Acting rogue. So
Speaker 1:Hey, we're Vercel. We're the empire. We have red lightsabers. Sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. But that was that drama. Again, like, do I there's nothing there's nothing that deep to it, I think. I think what I said is maybe like the deepest thing but it it just like kinda makes always me
Speaker 1:say the deepest things that
Speaker 2:I'm just saying it just wasn't the deepest thing I come up with wasn't that significant.
Speaker 1:Yeah. This wasn't that big of
Speaker 2:a Yeah. But I always kind of cringe when I hear, when I see people being like, oh, like I'm never gonna use Vercel again. Like this is a whatever, I'm moving all my stuff off of it. And like, if you build something where it's like so trivial for you just to move to something else over like one little thing like this, like, to be honest, like, just don't matter. Like, I I just can't imagine you mattering to to Vercel.
Speaker 1:You just don't matter.
Speaker 2:I need to think twice. I so how many people were like, yeah, the indie hacker community needs to think twice before hosting on Vercel because like, what if they steal your ideas? I'm just like, no one wants your ideas. The only people that want your ideas are other indie hackers because they just do the same thing that you do. Yeah, was just funny.
Speaker 2:Oh, and the other dynamic which I also loved, and it's like a great bit of marketing advice for anyone. So of course, out of this, there was a bunch of people being like, why isn't there an open source for sale? Why isn't there like an open source way to deploy your Next. Js sites for an AWS account blah blah. So for us seeing something like that, what's the first instinct?
Speaker 2:The first instinct is to go reply being like, hey, we're actually doing this, like, come check out SST.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But we didn't do that. We waited for random people to put, like, point that out. So we had a bunch of people replying on our behalf in that thread. So we never had to look like, just like some other founder being like, please use our product, you know.
Speaker 1:Jumping on the opportunity.
Speaker 2:There were so many companies in the replies being like, hey, we'll do this.
Speaker 1:Hey, we
Speaker 2:do this. Come check this out.
Speaker 1:We'll do this.
Speaker 2:None of them actually do. Like if you like, the reality is deploying Next. Is so hard. And we're actually gonna put together a benchmark page so you can deploy a sample Next. Js app to any provider that says they support it.
Speaker 2:Oh. And you can see all the features that work and what what don't.
Speaker 1:That's a great idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's quite hard and nobody really nobody really covers the full feature set. You can't if you're not open source. Again, a bunch of people were were in there. The only reply I did have is I replied with, our free Next.
Speaker 2:Js video, which But, yeah, it's a marketing lesson. Wait for someone else to make your point for you. Like, you don't Yeah. Don't jump with the urge to, like, just make it even though it's like, I saw that that thread and it was annoying me that so many people were like, this doesn't exist. Why does this exist?
Speaker 2:I just wanna be like, it does exist. We've
Speaker 1:been But working on
Speaker 2:just wait, someone will make the point for you. And it's much stronger when it's not coming from the founder.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Now I wanna go back and see all the replies. I'm very curious. Yeah. I have ideas about what I might find.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna say anything else. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You can yeah. Okay. Your ideas
Speaker 1:are correct. It's funny. So can we talk can we talk about the whole, like, corporate responsibility thing? It just reminded me of the people who are like, have you seen what the the what's the Walton? Is that the Walmart people?
Speaker 1:What the Walton family? Kids have done. Yeah. Like, never shopping at Walmart again. Like, is that is there, like is there good that comes out of that?
Speaker 1:Like, can we actually make good decisions about where we spend our dollars based on the actions of corporations or people involved with corporations? Aren't they all just bad? This is I've felt this way for a long time. They're all just bad. And, like, if you're gonna buy things, you're probably gonna buy stuff from bad people.
Speaker 1:Just, like, deal with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think it's, like, I'm fine with people individually being, like, it makes me uneasy to support x y z things. You can recognize that, like, you're never gonna be internally consistent. You're gonna, like, feel uneasy about something and opt out of it while you, like, support something, maybe even, like, objectively worse. So you Yeah.
Speaker 2:You might have your personal things. I just hate when people demand it of other people. I'm like Mhmm. Okay, I get that you feel that way and and that's fine, you can do whatever you want, like, but, like, don't tell me I'm a bad person because then that then draws me into saying like, well, what about this other stuff that you're doing? So it's just like a stupid thing.
Speaker 1:It's an endless Yeah. Conversation.
Speaker 2:And then the other side of it is like, what is the company? Is it the CEO? Is this if the CEO feels something that you don't agree with, but then like, 50% of the company doesn't feel that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:Like what like it's weird, right? Like what if one person of the company feels the right way and everyone feels the wrong way? It's just like, it's not like a singular entity. So it's kinda really complex and I like I don't really understand the people's obsession over that. Like
Speaker 1:I think that's the key for me. It's like the world is too complex to like feel like you can make good judgment calls about how you I mean, that that's that's too blanket statement, I guess. Like, sure, there are ways you can make a difference by directing your energy and resources towards things that you care about. But, like, to think that you're gonna walk some narrow path that, like, avoids stomping on any of your own values, it just seems impossible and, like, you couldn't untangle everything out
Speaker 2:of it.
Speaker 1:This comes up every once in while. There's some big thing that happens. Some CEO says some dumb thing and everybody's like, if you ever buy from Target again, you hate babies. He's like, no, I don't. But I'm like Target's right there and I need to get some whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm sure a lot of employees like are different. And like, what about there's just something like second, third, fourth order effects that are so hard to understand like Yeah. If you genuinely don't support a company and then all the employees lose their job, is that good? Is that worth it?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Then then there's all this the thing I think about that I absolutely hate is, look, I get being active in some some things that are important, but there's so many examples of it just like doing the most insane amount of damage you can possibly imagine. The thing I always think about was how anti nuclear all the environmentalists were
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:Back in the seventies. Created like an international fear of nuclear energy, got so much shut down. And like, look at the situation we're It's cold.
Speaker 1:We're back to cold. Good thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's just like the people that thought they were doing the most important moral thing, like, created one of the worst situations I could possibly imagine. Because like again, there's like so it's very complicated. There's like so many I told you, like my friend that works on, all this carbon stuff, it's always like, oh, we changed this thing here and that seems good, but it actually makes this thing 16 steps over here so bad that like negates Yeah. That first thing.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I think these these like getting this involved in like simple things like that, it's like, it's really I get it. Some things you feel bad for your soul, like don't do it. If it feels bad for you, like it's fine. Again, it's a very personal thing and you can you can Mhmm. I think for things that I do that are in that category, I can say, I'm not gonna do this because I feel like, I feel bad doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It might even be worse for the world that I'm not doing it. I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm not saying it's rational but for me, like, it's it's hard for me to live doing x y z I get that. Which I think is reasonable but I think beyond that, I'm just like, I don't get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I don't know. I I say a lot of things that sound like I think other people are wrong about everything. I think I'm wrong too, just so everyone knows. I don't think I'm right about anything either.
Speaker 2:Well, I I think a lot of stuff you say is actually weirdly, I think it's a majority position. Because I think a lot stuff you bring up are like reasonable or No, pretty I'm I'm not saying they're not important. I'm saying that the stuff you bring up is kind of reasonable, but reasonable points like never get brought up. Mhmm. But they feel like the minority.
Speaker 2:If you never bring them up, then they kinda do become effectively the minority.
Speaker 1:So this is this is why you like talking with me because I can make the majority comment and then you can be different and you can be like, actually
Speaker 2:I almost always agree with you. What do you mean?
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's true. I I feel I generally feel like I'm in the true majority. I don't if everyone feels this way, but I feel like for most practical day to day life things, I feel like I'm in like the true majority. I feel like I imagine most people Yeah.
Speaker 2:Are kinda like not too extreme in any direction and I feel that way for most things. But, you know, you just never hear from that. That that group never represents itself as like a community, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What what is the dynamic there? Because it does feel like I know I've had this conversation with Casey before. Just like most people are probably more like us than we realize, and it's just not like, the sensational things are much more easy to sell, like, in the media landscape. Is it is it the I just hate talking about the media
Speaker 2:because you
Speaker 1:just sound like, I don't know, it's the media.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I know. It's the the explanation
Speaker 1:for everything.
Speaker 2:Explanation for everything. But that's the thing. Like, that is true. It is true. And, again, you, like, don't you feel weird bringing it up because
Speaker 1:I do. Yeah. Because they got me. They figured me out. They know how to make me feel self conscious about talking about them.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I feel like that whole thing has eroded so much. Like compared to ten years ago and now, I feel like most people are like, at least based on whether they it's hard to like really shake it, like whatever Yeah. Is being presented. But I think at people's core they understand like they shouldn't trust these things even if they can't help it.
Speaker 2:I think it's very different from from like ten years ago where like I think now whenever we see a headline, most people are like looking for the trick of like what what's the trick here? Like why Yeah, yeah. Why could they say that? I think ten years ago we just took everything as like literal. Think we've kind of figured out the scheme of I I don't know.
Speaker 2:I I feel that way. I feel like most people aren't, like, just assuming every all that is No. Right. Face value. Yeah.
Speaker 1:This is kind of tangentially related. I saw Ken Wheeler tweet, which side note, I love that Ken like, most of his tweets are just like, I would never wanna read them out loud or say them to anyone in person, or they're just like pictures of food. But then he'll have, like, a random tweet that's, like, kinda deep or kinda like, Yeah. And he had this tweet about politicians and how they're antiquated because we used to need representation. Was thinking about
Speaker 2:that so much.
Speaker 1:Casey and I talk about this all the time. Why can't we just vote on our phone? What like, everyone has a phone. Can't they just, like, use the fingerprint or something and everyone just votes and we don't have to have the whole, like, republic or whatever? Can we just all, like, vote on things?
Speaker 1:Is that too is that too much overhead? Too many things?
Speaker 2:Was imagining that. So so there's a there's obviously some spectrum. There's some spectrum between like direct democracy vote and everything and like having a king and we landed somewhere in between and his point is interesting, he's like where we landed, at least some portion of why we landed there was practicality, which is like, you couldn't have information go around the world in real time. Yep. But based off of that, now that that's changed, I guess you would land a little bit more towards the side of being a little more direct.
Speaker 2:I don't think you'd go to the extreme because of one reason to have like a republic is it's just not things are complicated.
Speaker 1:Like, we're not gonna
Speaker 2:be voting on like budget decisions on like No.
Speaker 1:How to allocate it.
Speaker 2:It's like, I don't think we have the context
Speaker 1:for But
Speaker 2:if we
Speaker 1:could at least just vote for our representatives digitally from home without have them.
Speaker 2:Right? Like,
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:Right? Because we don't the politicians don't wanna make it easier to vote because it's easier just How to vote
Speaker 1:dumb more you is can control it. How dumb is that? That we we got a bunch of people elected and now none of them wanna change anything because they get to be they get to do their thing up there. And now it's like, oh, we don't wanna make it easy to vote. They'll vote us out.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. It's like these you have to wait for literal death of these people. And it's like kind of insane.
Speaker 1:They're just keep they keep getting replaced every there's young idiots in congress. There's one from Missouri that I'm well aware
Speaker 2:of.
Speaker 1:Like that it's just a new generation coming up behind them that's gonna have the same rules and they play by the same whatever. It just sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't know how this stuff gets disrupted. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Who told me? Now I gotta think of the source because I can't just say this on a recording without knowing who to attribute it to. Mostly, I'm trying to remember who said it so I can know if I if I wanna say it out loud. Because there's somebody that said this, and I was like, that's kinda nuts sounding, but, like, The somebody said I'm gonna think of it halfway through who who told me this. They said they thought it would have to come from, like like, someone like Musk, someone really powerful in the private industry that could somehow disrupt how did they say they would do it?
Speaker 1:Like, I don't know if they said just through traditional, like, buying up lobbies or something. I don't know. Somebody who, like, had some reason that they wanted to see humanity move forward sort of musky and in the way he talks about, like, going to Mars for good reasons. The like, somebody like that would have to disrupt it because it'll never like, they'll never get rid the filibuster. They'll never
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Set term limits. They'll never do anything that makes their life less good. Just that they're not gonna do it. So it would have to be like an outside force, like a private outside source force that did it. Anyway, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1:I've never heard anybody else say it. And the person who said it,
Speaker 3:I can't think of who it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, I think that is a fantasy we all have because we imagine a benevolent, effectively dictator because what we're saying is that person has unlimited power.
Speaker 1:Saves the day.
Speaker 2:But like they're gonna use it correctly. And there in history, there have been them. But what's way more common in history is there have been people that seem that way and then immediately just get sucked into just like the the corruption that happens when
Speaker 1:you have all that power. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think it can happen. It's just like every single dictator that you see today was at one point a charismatic rebel
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:That everybody loves. Into power. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they talk about this with Fidel and Cuba a lot, like like Liz's dad It took Liz's dad a while to realize that he was a bad person because he just looks so fucking cool in the photos.
Speaker 2:A good looking guy smoking a cigarette, like, just in his like like gorilla rebel gear, just super photogenic, like every guy saw that and was like, that's who I want to be. Yeah. But yeah, I know, it doesn't it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It doesn't it doesn't work out.
Speaker 2:I did have this thought the other day, not a while ago, maybe last presidential election. I forgot what it was but I looked up like how much a presidential candidate spends on the campaign. And both candidates roughly spend the same amount. It's it's on it's in the billions, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's not an amount that an individual out there does not have. So I was kind of like, I mean, might be laws against all those campaign finance laws, but hypothetically Yeah. I think I looked up at that time Mark Zuckerberg's net worth and I was like, I divided it by how much a presidential campaign costs every four years and I was like, I think he could literally, if he just donated as much money as it needs, he could pick every single candidate for the rest of his life. Woah. And and and can you even like guarantee victory if you spend like 20% more than what you're supposed what like they do on average?
Speaker 1:That is insane.
Speaker 2:I I'm assuming there's like laws that make this difficult because you have to like route money in in difficult ways that makes it
Speaker 1:like Yeah, like super packs
Speaker 2:or I don't know. I know that comes up a lot. Yeah. But I'm like, could someone literally say I'm just gonna spend my entire fortune picking the next 20 presidents of The United States?
Speaker 1:Wow. Yeah. That's kind of wild.
Speaker 2:That could be disruptive in that way and I feel like don't again, besides there being laws against it, I don't know what would Yeah. Stop I I just don't think anyone would really like the thing is you can pick the next 20 presidents and like, nothing can happen just because it's like gridlocked and difficult to do anything. Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:So I
Speaker 2:don't know if anyone would, like, bet their whole fortune on that because it might not have any impact.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Would they have more would they have more, chances of impact if they, like, bought all of congress?
Speaker 2:Yeah. There's different ways, I guess. Yeah. I don't know what the best
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe all maybe both those branches of government. Yeah. Okay. I don't know if you could buy the judges. Well, maybe.
Speaker 1:What do the judges make? I'm sure they're viable.
Speaker 2:Oh, you pay them to retire? Yeah. Maybe.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. There you go.
Speaker 2:That's so true. Like, if you offered a judge a billion dollars to retire, a Supreme Court judge
Speaker 1:Yeah. Would they not?
Speaker 2:And is that even though? That is bribery. Great question. He's just retiring, you know, but he can't ever retire? Like it's just
Speaker 1:Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's wild. Yeah. That's actually that reverse bribery thing that happens a lot because it's very hard to prove. Where you're in a position of power, you do a bunch of things because you know if you do a bunch of things, you have a cushy job waiting for you when you leave. So they don't have to directly pay you to do something, the promise of a future payout.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You'll be like a consultant and you'll get lots of
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think like the oil special trade. Yeah. A lot of like oil lobby stuff works that way. They're like revolving door they talk about.
Speaker 2:But
Speaker 1:Okay. This is getting depressing. Does the world just suck? What what's the the takeaway here? Is it Uh-uh.
Speaker 1:Salvageable?
Speaker 2:I don't know. No takeaway.
Speaker 1:I'm actually an optimist. I think I'm actually an optimist but when I have these conversations, I start sounding like a doom and gloomer.
Speaker 2:I'm an optimist in that I I'm I'm seeing all this and it's all negative and I can't think of a single positive thing in it but I just it doesn't make me feel anything negative about the world. I just kind of in my head, I'm like, it probably won't end up mattering, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. I think that's where I am. I think it doesn't really affect me. After we get off this call, I won't think about it again.
Speaker 2:I mean, I hope I don't like my it's like a coping thing. My brain is like, it probably won't matter because I don't want it to matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Maybe that's it. We're just good at coping. Cope more.
Speaker 2:Cope more.
Speaker 1:I used to think I wanted to, like, be in politics.
Speaker 2:I was gonna ask that. You feel like you have you have, like, the stuff you need on paper.
Speaker 1:Oh, I do? Tell me more.
Speaker 2:You Strategist. You know, you're successful in business. That's like a good check mark. So you're not like someone trying to be a politician as their career. You're like
Speaker 1:For earning.
Speaker 2:After. Mhmm. Your family is like a good looking family. Like, I think you guys photograph well. That's an important thing.
Speaker 1:It is important.
Speaker 2:You look you look like you look like if I could totally imagine a charismatic politician type, you look like I think you you fit that image. Okay. I fit the image of like, I'm gonna like give you money from corrupt places. Like, that's my job behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:It's funny. Yeah. So
Speaker 2:I can see you doing that.
Speaker 1:There was, like, a period four or five years ago where I was like, hey, what would it take to win, like
Speaker 2:Globalization. Representatives. Oh, No.
Speaker 1:No. No. Like, US congress. Well, because this, like, guy that wins here is just just, like, doofus.
Speaker 2:And the I'm laughing because I'm realizing you're gonna take the 12 cert approach to this. You're You're gonna, like, hyper fixate at it, and you're just gonna be like, how I got elected to congress in ninety days?
Speaker 1:What would be the fastest way to get yeah. Get elected to congress from no political background.
Speaker 3:It's just like he's just this I don't know.
Speaker 1:But then, like, I'd have to win in an area where if you're not just like, guns are the best thing in the world. I will buy all the guns and give them to everybody. If you don't just say that and like Yeah.
Speaker 2:You have to I don't think you would win in your area. I think you would have to move somewhere
Speaker 1:else. Yeah. You'd have to move somewhere else. I don't I don't feel like I affiliate with either party, so it would just feel bad to, like, run under either banner. I would just I would, like, see myself from the other perspective and hate myself.
Speaker 1:Whichever side I chose.
Speaker 2:And then but then like running third party makes no sense also.
Speaker 1:Yeah. A waste of time. Like why even, you know, just to say you did it, why? I
Speaker 2:don't know. Oh, shit. I have a d okay. Never mind. I have a DMV appointment on Thursday.
Speaker 2:I just remember. Oh, no. I thought it was today.
Speaker 1:That sounds awful.
Speaker 2:I haven't, switched to my Florida license in Florida. Florida.
Speaker 1:Okay. I
Speaker 2:got pulled over by a cop, like, a month ago.
Speaker 1:Oh, no.
Speaker 2:He was like, you know, this isn't true. Like, this isn't true. You just wanted to make just wanna make sure people switch their license. He was like, yeah, I'm like supposed to arrest you and you would spend your weekend in jail, because you didn't switch your license in thirty days. Because like, yeah, it's technically arrestable but like, they're, like, not gonna spend time doing that.
Speaker 2:And and I can also say, like, oh, it's, like, my wife's car. She lives here and I'm, like, traveling back and forth from New York and like, it just, like, it doesn't make sense. There's a million excuses.
Speaker 1:So if you move to another state?
Speaker 2:In Florida, you have to switch licenses. The plates, yes, we've done that. But my license is still a New York license. I'm supposed to switch Yeah. Within thirty days of moving to Florida.
Speaker 1:Are you serious? Yeah. I lived in Florida for six months. I never switched No.
Speaker 2:I know. It's it's like not a priority. Like, you just you know you're supposed to do it and you're just like but anyway, this cop was like, when was the last time you got pulled over?
Speaker 1:Oh. So my dad you know, my dad was a highway patrolman.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like yeah. Yeah. So, like, when I got pulled over, sometimes there were
Speaker 2:special circumstances on your car?
Speaker 1:Where I knew the person.
Speaker 2:You know how you knew the person I see.
Speaker 1:Just like dad's coworkers. No. That didn't happen very often. It did happen a couple times, like, to our family, and I think it happened once to me. But the last time I got pulled over, I as an adult, I don't know if I have been pulled over as an adult.
Speaker 1:I think I have,
Speaker 2:but Casey would
Speaker 1:have to remind me. Casey one day okay. The last time I remember getting pulled over, like, I was in the car in the passenger seat. Casey drives, by the way. She doesn't let me drive.
Speaker 1:She just says I'm a bad driver. But she stops and then listen to this story. We stop at a red light, and there's a police car turning left in front of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:At the light. They're also stopped. It's red for them. It's red for us. And she just starts going.
Speaker 1:Like, we come to a stop and then she just goes.
Speaker 2:She's thinking about something else. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we just go right in front of this police officer to this red light. And he's like, I guess I have to pull you over. I can tell you didn't meet like, that wasn't, like, malicious, but, like, what are you doing? That's last time I remember getting pulled over. We didn't get a ticket or anything.
Speaker 1:It was just kinda are you are you mentally capable of driving a vehicle? What's going on? Right in front of a police car? Like, what's going on?
Speaker 2:That's really funny. Yeah. I guess if it's egregious enough, they can forgive it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It was just almost funny to him, and it was funny to us. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So the strategy that they use, I maybe know this from your dad or maybe they maybe it's like a Miami thing, I don't know. But I've seen this in a few places. When they first pull you know how they pull you over, they come to your window, say a bunch of stuff to you, then go back and then come back again with the results of what's gonna happen to you. Mhmm. That first step where they come and first pull you over, super mean, really, really, really mean and like so serious, like barely giving you any information, like you have no idea what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:So what happened, he did that and was like, he made you nervous and he went back, took so long. Like he took so long in the car and I was like Yeah. What the hell? Like I might just do they like it's like a warrant for my arrest or something? What is going on?
Speaker 2:He comes back 100% a different dude. Like, just like the friendliest guy. He's like, I turn off my camera. Like, I'm I'm not supposed to say this, but he was just like saying like all this stuff, like really, really friendly and super nice. And I think that's just a strategy.
Speaker 2:They scare the shit out of you. It's a good cop, bad cop, but within the same person, and they come back and they're super nice. Interesting. So at that point, you're just, like, happy to, like, be, like, accept anything that happens to you. You're like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, I deserve a ticket. Like, it's, like, the fact that they're so nice after them making you, like, sit.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's not really good combat cop psychology. Yeah. It's just one person.
Speaker 2:He just pointed it out this time and I'm like, okay, I think let's see if I'm like more immune to it now that I'm like very aware of it. But he was like a different person. Like, he's like accent changed. Like, the way he spoke changed. Like, everything was completely different.
Speaker 2:And it just makes it seem like he's doing me the biggest favor in the world by giving me this ticket. Yeah. He got you. And yeah.
Speaker 1:Sucker too.
Speaker 2:It's sitting right here on my desk. Oh, here's another annoying thing. As a diligent citizen of Miami, I got the ticket and, later that week, I went to go pay it and it wasn't in the system. I spent like thirty minutes looking everywhere, putting in all the different freaking like numbers that were on this Yeah. On this sheet trying to find it.
Speaker 2:Not there. It turns out there's like a three week delay from it getting into the system. I was like, what is this process Wow. Where
Speaker 1:What is happening for those three weeks? There's like That's like ACH transfers. I'm always like, two days, like, what is happening? Is someone actually physically handing like pieces of paper to other people in the office? Like, what is happening for two days that my money takes that long to transfer?
Speaker 1:I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, ACH is funny because it's a have you ever seen the raw format of an ACH I had to implement it at some point for some reason. What? But it's okay. So you imagine like something like JSON, right?
Speaker 2:You like imagine the format of a JSON blob and it makes sense. This format is super weird until you realize it was originally meant for hole punch
Speaker 1:hole punch.
Speaker 2:Situations. So like stuff like lines up visually.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's like tab, like fixed column?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Fixed have to like fill the space up and then like leave enough space for the neck. And it makes no sense when you're just randomly trying to do it but then you realize like, oh, this is like perfect for a hole punch machine.
Speaker 1:For a hole punch,
Speaker 2:yeah. But it's the same protocol but it's just not, it's like more digital now.
Speaker 1:But yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, I know what's happening, what what is up with that delay. And now I've, like, forgotten about it and I, like, wonder if I, like, waited too long, I'm in trouble now. So I gotta make sure I pay it. This happened to me in Portland also. I have, a ticket.
Speaker 2:I never paid in Portland because I tried to pay it and it was difficult pay it. I'm just not gonna go back there. It's fine.
Speaker 1:I did get a ticket in Florida when I was in high school living in Missouri. Went to Florida for vacation, and I got a speeding ticket. I didn't know how fast you're supposed to go, and I was going way, way too fast.
Speaker 2:Did you pay it?
Speaker 1:I thought it was a highway and it was, like, one of those roads. Yeah. And I had to go to, like, an online course.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. Had to I had that in high school too. I got pulled over, got two tickets, five points each. It was bad. Oh.
Speaker 1:Five Oh, man. It sounds like a lot of points. I don't remember the point system, but I remember that being obsessed with that in high school. Oh, you can get your points removed. This lawyer is so good.
Speaker 1:You can get your points taken off. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we did. Mean, it
Speaker 2:down to four they were down it was gonna be like eight or nine point or like maybe 10 points and they'd rolled it lowered it to four, then minus two for doing the course. But Uh-huh. I had a program on my computer that could speed up any other program. So instead of a six hour course, it was like a thirty minute course. Something like that, where I just like sped Wow.
Speaker 2:Sped played it like extra fast and I sped through it.
Speaker 1:Us hackers, we just get all the perks.
Speaker 2:I know. Never have to follow the rules. But yeah, I gotta gotta make sure I pay this because
Speaker 1:I I remember, like, every every driving age high school kid in my school knew, like, the protocol. Like, oh, yeah, you have to plead guilty and take the plea bargain and, like there's, like, all these, like, the set playbook for, like, the least amount of damage for both the speeding ticket. So dumb.
Speaker 2:I I also wonder like if like there's a world where everything's self driving, does that revenue just go to near zero? And then how does that work? It might like break like city's budgets and stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, it'll happen over such a long period of time. Right? Like
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be adjustment, but it is something that
Speaker 1:Are there actual self driving cars? Has any is there actually stuff on the road?
Speaker 2:I saw them the other day.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry. What?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I saw one the other day. Miami. I was driving behind it.
Speaker 1:Is it Waymo? Is it Tesla? Like, who who has stuff on
Speaker 2:the was Cruise, I think.
Speaker 1:Never even heard of it.
Speaker 2:Waymo has it and Cruise I know Cruise has it too. I mean, think a bunch of companies do. It's just like
Speaker 1:So it's legal in in some places, but not everywhere?
Speaker 2:I think in Arizona, you can straight up like order a robot taxi. Like there's an app.
Speaker 1:Are you serious? Oh, this is way further along than I thought it was.
Speaker 2:But it's like in Arizona. Yeah. Like who lives there? No. It's not like who lives there.
Speaker 2:It's just like it's like a flat desert. It's a city, it's a proper city, but it's like, maybe one of the simplest places I can imagine. It's like a new city and like a flat desert. Easy
Speaker 1:to drive in.
Speaker 2:That's like
Speaker 1:mostly suburban. Versus like New York would be impossible. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. And Miami also impossible because you cannot predict any other driver on the road here.
Speaker 1:That's South Florida. Naples was like that. The worst driving I've
Speaker 2:ever seen in the Everyone thinks they have the worst drivers in their state. It's here. I'm telling you. It's it's here in Florida.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Everyone thinks that, but not Dax. He knows objectively that it's true.
Speaker 2:Here. And I was like, I'm an idiot forever thinking that anyone was a bad driver because nobody in the world's a bad driver except for the people that live here by comparison. I
Speaker 1:remember backing out of, like, a grocery store parking space, and I'm just backing the car out at a normal pace that you'd back a vehicle because you don't wanna run over a pedestrian. You know? And there's a person waiting to come in my space. At mid backing out, they're honking at me. Like, what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1:Go faster?
Speaker 2:No. The honking is insane. It's What is that insane. People just love to catch you and like tell you that you were going too slow. So It's so annoying.
Speaker 2:If you add a red light, okay, and you're the first car, you see it turn green. If you don't hit the pedal with, like, a reflexes of an f one driver, the person is gonna honk, like, guaranteed every single time. Have a second light honk. And they're just, like, piss at you. Wow.
Speaker 2:I'm like Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's unique to Miami or South Shore.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen that anywhere else. Nobody uses their turn signals here. Everyone's just like flying between lanes.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's annoying.
Speaker 2:Every time on the highway, there's like, okay, the way I describe it is, when you imagine dangerous driving, you imagine everyone's going really fast. But in Miami, it's dangerous and everyone's only going 55 and that should really explain to you how chaotic it must be to like make people feel unsafe going like below the speed limit. Yeah. People just, like, veering. I there's so many Grand Theft Auto type situations that happen in Miami.
Speaker 2:Like, there was a guy driving a Lambo, shooting a gun out the roof, like a pistol out the roof just for Are serious? Yeah. I mean, they found him and
Speaker 1:he got Oh my word.
Speaker 2:I was I was in an Uber once and I saw some, like a Lamborghini or something like that, try to floor it past us, lose control and then just repeatedly slam an SUV over and over into the side of the barrier till they both stopped. And I've never really seen a car accident
Speaker 1:It really
Speaker 2:is. The new video new game. Grand Theft Auto six is gonna be announced soon and it's gonna be in Vice City in Miami and it's Wow. Gonna be like the stuff that happens in Miami is crazier what happens in video
Speaker 1:I've seen you tweet some of the, like, police videos from Miami.
Speaker 2:Is he the one that got the naked Yeah. That one was really crazy.
Speaker 1:Oh my word.
Speaker 2:That defies any expect explanation because he just looks like he just looks like a product manager at, like, meta. Like he Yeah. He's just naked at the gym punching people, like running around the streets like punching people naked.
Speaker 1:Something.
Speaker 2:But he didn't look crazy. He wasn't like talking, he wasn't saying anything. He was just he looked like
Speaker 1:Just like hitting people naked? Normal stuff, I think
Speaker 2:he was being controlled by, like like, someone playing a video game. Like, it just felt like like he wasn't saying any words. He was running around It's his start you yeah. So you
Speaker 1:can control human beings. He was testing it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I feel like he even did that day where he just, like, jumped. Like, someone's like, jump in midair, but, like, for no reason. You know?
Speaker 1:I didn't know people could be just naked like that on a Twitter video. Like, that I remember when you posted it. I was like, Dax, do you know like, do you know he's It's funny you should
Speaker 2:be saying this after the photo you posted yesterday.
Speaker 1:I had clothes on. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:There's lot of implication is all. Implication?
Speaker 1:What does that mean? I don't even
Speaker 2:know what that means. Okay. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1:It was It was drying off of the towel.
Speaker 2:But it was like a sexy photo because like we knew you were naked but it was Okay. Here's the thing. The implication of being naked is more sexual than being naked.
Speaker 1:But it wasn't an implication of being naked because I'm very clearly clothed.
Speaker 2:Do you have shorts on?
Speaker 1:I have like a a Speedo on.
Speaker 2:Okay. It didn't look like you had any clothes on and you were just like Oh, wiping you think yourself I had
Speaker 1:anything on?
Speaker 2:But even a Speedo, Adam, is like the implication of being naked.
Speaker 1:No. I just That's how I get my son out
Speaker 2:No. Of get it but like, you get what I mean, right?
Speaker 1:Like The implication of being naked. I see.
Speaker 2:There's a tension or like a I don't know, like a I guess like a secret, you know, there's
Speaker 1:like Okay. But you really didn't think I had anything on? That's alarming.
Speaker 2:I thought you just had the towel in front of you and I was like Oh, geez.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, I don't want that. I don't want the look
Speaker 2:like It's too late. It's too late. It's too late.
Speaker 1:Okay. It's too late.
Speaker 2:By the way, for everyone listening that didn't know what we're talking about, Adam posted a really good you look great, by the way. Really great, slow shirtless picture of himself. He's in the best shape of his life and you can tell.
Speaker 1:It's been it's been kind of a theme. I feel like I've done this a few times now. Is it getting overwhelming? Too many shirtless photos on the internet?
Speaker 2:Just be yourself, Adam. Okay.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:If that's you.
Speaker 1:Myself is apparently posting yeah. It really it honestly does, like, help with the you know, like, the identity thing with fitness? Like, if you if you believe you're a fit person and you believe you're, like, someone who's very active, that's half the battle in, like, keeping up good habits. And something about, like, public accountability where it's like people perceive me now as this fit person just helps bolster that identity even more. It just makes me wanna work out even more.
Speaker 1:It's like it's this cycle that I do quite enjoy. Maybe it doesn't belong on Twitter. Maybe it's more of an Instagram thing.
Speaker 2:No. I think it's fine. I think it's entirely fine. And, yeah, it's that thing where, like, if the more you feel like you have to lose by dropping a habit, like, the less likely you're gonna drop the habit. So Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Totally get it. What what have you been doing, by the way? Like, what have you been work how have you been working out?
Speaker 1:So I got this question a lot after I posted my photo. So I do, like, the same stuff I've been doing in terms of weight lifting. Like, I I do like the main so squat, deadlift, bench.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I do overhead press. Yep. Those are the four that I do
Speaker 1:as well. Yeah. So the main lifts. I do a lot of pull ups because it turns out in jiu jitsu, pulling strength pretty important.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see.
Speaker 1:You do a lot of pulling more so than pushing. So I I well, I say that. I'm I'm dumb at jujitsu. I don't know anything. So people who actually know jujitsu can correct me.
Speaker 2:I guess your current bottleneck is the ability
Speaker 1:to pull. My current yeah. Currently, I feel like being it's more advantageous to build a pull. So I do a lot of pull ups. I put on my weighted vest, and I do pull ups, which I'm slowly building up that ability to do heavier and heavier pull ups.
Speaker 1:What else? I do I've got this a Rogue bike. It's like a rogue echo.
Speaker 2:It's like one
Speaker 1:of those full body
Speaker 2:Yeah. Sucks so bad. Wait. What is that called? A Attack bike?
Speaker 1:No. An Attack bike.
Speaker 2:Assault bike. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Assault yeah. Yeah. Assault bike, I think, is actually another company that makes one.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's not a type of thing.
Speaker 1:It's like a fan.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like a fan. Have bunch of those.
Speaker 1:Whatever they're called. Yeah. Yeah. They suck. It's like your whole body.
Speaker 1:It's a it's a cardio experience. So I got that to cut for my competition. And that's probably the main thing is, like, I've been intentionally kind of, like, trying to shed all body fat just for, like, jujitsu purposes. It's like, if I cannot carry if I can have, like, hundred and ninety five pounds but just be completely muscle, that's advantageous over the people who don't really care about fitness and they still do jujitsu. Most of the people actually like, in my little gym here in the Ozarks, and we got a great gym.
Speaker 1:I love my gym. But most of the people are not really physically fit. And I found even as a nostrike white belt just coming in, I can, like, I can kinda, like, beat all the blue belts who are just out of shape.
Speaker 2:People that work
Speaker 1:their best.
Speaker 2:Last longer.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Physically. Yeah. Just like they can't physically like, I am too imposing physically. Anyway, that's that's mainly it.
Speaker 1:It's like I've I've shed all the extra weight, just eating habits and stuff like that. So it's not really I changed anything exercise wise. It was more Everything's clicking together. Eating.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And just having a thing. Like, jujitsu is the thing for me. I needed a thing that was like competitive and active and gives me a reason to like, I wanna get better at this. And if I can be physically more fit, it'll make me better at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. At least theoretically. I still suck.
Speaker 1:I'm terrible jujitsu, but it's still fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That makes sense. The things you yeah. I do almost the exact same thing as you like, for me, I'm trying to get to certain weights on everything. I wanna flip to just maintaining that because again, it's like that's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I actually do like doing all the barbell stuff, those four lifts but Yeah.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of nostalgia with it, like from football days and all that. Like I just did oh, high school we did a lot. And I
Speaker 2:I've just done them so many times that I'm like very good at doing them now and like Yeah. Cause at the beginning, they just feel so impossible to like even do the form right and like, it feels weird. But now it just feels very natural. So I like them but I want to get to a certain point and then, Switch is just like maintain I I really like what Adam Wathen does, the tail end guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He wears the vest. You told me this, I think.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. So I've been going on walks with with Zuko every morning now or the mornings that I don't go to the gym. I never thought I mean, everyone loves walks. I never thought I would be someone that would enjoy solo walks, But I've been doing that a lot more and I've been actually really enjoying it. Where I when I get stuck on something, I'll just go for a walk for thirty minutes and yep.
Speaker 2:I I need to a way to invest but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's it's so hard to talk myself into a walk it always feels like so much time investment. But I've never like gone on a walk and be like, wish I would
Speaker 2:never known. As soon as you're walking, you're like, yeah yeah. I mean, everyone's super nice to walk through and
Speaker 1:All those restaurants so close. You've told me all that.
Speaker 2:No. I I go the other way. I go. Oh, yeah yeah. I don't go to the restaurants, I go through all the houses.
Speaker 2:A lot of beautiful quirky houses with weird with weird trees everywhere.
Speaker 1:100 year old Mango trees. That aren't underwater yet.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100. Mango Mango trees also. You know, we have that original mango tree in our neighborhood. I sent you that.
Speaker 1:Did
Speaker 2:you Wait. Do
Speaker 1:You've told me yeah. You've told me about this. I don't know if you sent it to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So for most of the mangoes that are, produced in America, the original mango tree that was they all grafted off of, is still alive and it's in my neighborhood.
Speaker 1:That is so wild. Like, what a claim to fame. I know. You live in like the mango mecca in America.
Speaker 2:Mango Central. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I somehow have to pee again. We've made it two hours.
Speaker 2:Nice. To the point that I have
Speaker 1:to pee a second time.
Speaker 2:So I think it's time to call it. You didn't even drink water, did you? Between the two?
Speaker 1:I did. I drink Okay. This guy. Okay. And this guy.
Speaker 1:All the fluids. Just all the time.
Speaker 2:I haven't drank water once since I woke up, though.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good idea. You don't have to pee all the time.
Speaker 2:But that must dehydrate it all the time. It must dehydrate it. That's the problem. I wish we could combine if the two of us combined, we'd make a pretty good person.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. We should. Let's just figure out
Speaker 2:how we can do that. If we could just like Balance our over extremes.
Speaker 1:The weaknesses. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2:Gotta pee. Alright.
Speaker 1:It's been a marathon. Look at us. Two hours.
Speaker 2:Easy. Alright.
Speaker 1:See you next.
Speaker 2:Alright. See you.
