Adam Has a Cold and Dax Has Cats, and Everyone Is Retiring to Tweet More
If I'm being honest, it feels like I'm phoning it in a little bit to a 100. It's kind of like, we're just gonna get through these next 40 episodes. I slept twelve hours last night. I have a cold, and it sucks so bad. I haven't been sick in, like mean, aside from going to the ER, I haven't been sick in, like, months.
Adam:I don't even remember the last time I was, like, had a cold.
Dax:Well, it's the fall.
Adam:And I know I know how I got it. Oh, how'd you get it? Yeah. It's the it's the fall. I got it because after competing in Kansas City, there was sort of like a I've been pushing really hard.
Adam:I was like at one point, I was really cutting weight to be in a different division, then I ended up being in a different anyway, I'd been, like, really pushing hard in terms of fitness, in terms of nutrition, and all that. And we were in Kansas City. The tournament's over. Just kinda celebrated. You know?
Adam:Had a weekend where I was eating all kinds of sugar and junk. We got a Whole Foods. I was getting baked goods. I mean, I was just, like, eating garbage. And I haven't eaten sugar or oil in, I don't know, months.
Adam:It was it was a celebration and it resulted in being sick. So I think it's like the first time my immune system has been degraded from food.
Dax:That's crazy how just a change in diet can give you a cold.
Adam:Yeah. I think I had a pretty good immune system going and then not so much. And with kids, I feel like we used to get sick a lot. Just kids kind of like spread stuff they get sick from other kids in the neighborhood and then it just spreads throughout the house. But I I feel like it's been a long time since I've had a cold.
Adam:It's I got in bed at, like, 6PM last night. I woke up at 6AM.
Dax:Wow. That sounds really nice, to be honest.
Adam:You know, you would think, but you kinda just feel like more dead than you did the night before. Like, you get out of bed. Everything hurts just from, like, being in bed that long. I don't know if you've ever experienced that. Just like aches.
Adam:I don't know. This is not a position that I'm good with for twelve hours, I guess.
Dax:I I can my natural state, like, if there was just nothing that I had to get up for, I can easily sleep for like eighteen hours, I think.
Adam:Of what?
Dax:I could just sleep forever. Like, I'm like I can like hibernate basically.
Adam:Oh my word.
Dax:I have no issue being in bed for a long time. I don't really do that ever but I could.
Adam:It's really hard for me to stay in bed after like seven hours. And Casey, I think Casey's like, she could sleep indefinitely. And once we had kids, that all ended.
Dax:I had the opposite experience yesterday. I only slept like four or five hours. Liz flew out to to DC today. She's visiting a friend. Oh.
Dax:So she woke up super early. And that would have been completely fine because like I was just in bed, kinda half asleep and then she said bye to me and I was I was in bed. But she couldn't find her keys, so I had to get up and lock the door for her. The act of getting up just woke me up and I just couldn't sleep at all. And now I just feel kinda off, so it just messed up my schedule.
Adam:That's not enough hours.
Dax:My door on my office, the hinge is a little loose and it isn't closed properly, so it's like lifted every time I close it. It's, it's crazy because my previous apartment was, not brand new, but it was like pretty renovated and like everything just worked and everything was really comfortable. And this is the first time I'm living in like a charming house where everything is just like a little bit off and stuff doesn't exactly align and like it's not super comfortable and it's nice and it is there's like a lot of upside to it. Like we do have like a very unique, house and like it it looks really nice. But we were watching something the other day and it was like a very generic, like suburban McMansion type of house and Liz was looking at it and she was like, what is happening to me that I'm like fantasizing about that?
Dax:I'm fantasizing about like just everything working and being really comfortable and having like a ton of space and like there's like no charm to it at all but it's just like Exactly. It's like that height of comfort.
Adam:Yeah. We lived in our We built a house, it's been like ten years ago and lived in it for four or five years and moved from that house, which was just exactly what we wanted. I mean, you build a house, you do like everything you want. And it was super comfortable. We had our theater.
Adam:We had our just our life was pretty cushy. And then we moved to Florida to live in Naples, and it was like, I don't know, a 30 year old home there in Naples. And it just it was, like, it was nice. It was just like it wasn't our home, and it wasn't Yeah. Like, things were a little grimy and things yeah.
Adam:There were things that broke down and just you'd have to get stuff fixed. That was just a new experience for us. We even after we we had lived in the house for just, like, six months, we flew to Maui for it was before we had kids just for vacation. And we couldn't hardly enjoy Maui because we just, like, missed our brand new home we had just built. And, like, we didn't have air conditioning in Maui at this, like, guest house we were living in Yeah.
Adam:Or staying in. And, yeah, we came home early, actually. We had a two week vacation booked and came home after a week just because we missed our our new house. So the suburban thing, the it's it's nice. I mean, the comfort is nice.
Adam:Yeah. Like, when I
Dax:go to my parents' house, I'm just like, wow. There's just everything is just exactly aligned and like, there's no friction in doing every little thing. My house is almost a 100 years old. It's it's pretty insane.
Adam:Woah.
Dax:But I will
Adam:A 100 years say old.
Dax:Maybe a 100 is exaggeration.
Adam:Would say
Dax:like 80. But it's like
Adam:Oh, that's still. Yeah. I know houses were still standing after that.
Dax:Well, that's what's crazy because I live in a place against a lot of hurricanes.
Adam:Oh, yeah.
Dax:So it's, it's not it's like impressive how it just stood the test of time. Like it's been fine. And it is an old house and as much as I'm saying like it's not like there's there's like it's just not perfect. Yeah. For a house this old is actually pretty nice.
Dax:Like my biggest complaints are just like, you know, the doors don't align properly and like the just like the the the wall, like, when you like nail things into the wall, it's like, like, really like hard to get stuff in there. Besides that, like, it's really impressive. And I asked a bunch of people because hurricane Andrew here in 1992, so much destruction, like, so much got destroyed. And I was like, how is this like little house just completely fine? It's in an area with like a ton of trees and everything.
Dax:And they were just like, yeah, they the way they used to build these houses, they're just built extremely well even though they look like little basic houses, like they can just stand up. And it's not Like now when you see a new construction that's like hurricane proof, it looks like a fortress. So you kind of think that's what you need to do to make it
Adam:Like ICF, like concrete forms and all that stuff.
Dax:Yeah, exactly. And then those crazy like bulletproof looking windows and stuff. Yep. But apparently, like, I mean, yes, that's like that does is very effective. But like these houses, however they used to build them before, yeah, they they work and still still standing.
Dax:And who knows how long it'll stand for? You get might have like another hundred years in it.
Adam:That's insane. Are are there a lot of older houses in your neighborhood like that have also remained unscathed?
Dax:Yeah. Like every house is pretty unique. Like every house looks very different. They're all kind of quirky and interesting. It's why I really like this neighborhood.
Dax:The thing though is as this area becomes a lot more attractive, like a lot of developers are coming in and and they're kind of like, destroying the old homes and putting up new ones.
Adam:Mhmm. I'm
Dax:not like universally opposed to that. Like, yes, like stuff just can't stay around forever. Like, need you do need to evolve it. But the things they're putting up, man, it is, like, so it is, like, the worst stuff. I'm realizing I've turned into one of those, like, NIMBY people, like, not in my backyard people where I'm like, oh, the charm of the neighborhood is going away.
Dax:Like, it just happened. I don't know what what to say, it just happened. But they put up these like quote unquote modern houses but they're just these big white cubes.
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:They're these They're all identical and they're these like awkward like cube modern technically looking houses. And I like modern houses when they're well done. Like, I think they can be well done but these developer just realized it's cheap to build a square and Yeah. As long as they, like, do certain things to it, you can sell it as modern. I don't, like, fault the developers that much because they're, like, they're just reacting to the fact that people will buy them.
Dax:Like, all these people spending these houses are not cheap. They're probably like, you know, upwards of $1,500,000. Jeez. You're gonna spend that much on it? Like, can you just demand like a little bit more?
Dax:Like, why is it acceptable to you when it's just like in this crazy quirky neighborhood full of like all these like unique trees and all this overgrowth, you're gonna plop down like a generic cube and your neighbor has the identical house. Like, how is that okay? That sucks.
Adam:Yeah. Just to be close to the water, just is it just the area, is it Miami? Like, the market's really high or
Dax:Well, it's Miami in general but this neighborhood is like the only walkable neighborhood in Miami. Like, I can walk ten minutes to like 20 plus restaurants. There's some of best restaurants in Miami. Yeah. This is a really nice neighborhood.
Dax:Not a lot of people here care about walkability, which I'm thankful for. Otherwise, this area would be impossible but there are people that do and they're recognizing it. So, there there is more growth here but I hope it retains its charm. Like, our goal is to buy this house and land and we might have to, like, knock it down. Like, realistically, like, like I said, stuff just doesn't can't last forever.
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:But we wanna put up something that, like, reflects that like kind of maintains the same aesthetic. Yeah. Maybe like a little bit bigger kind of whatever whatever else we need. But yeah, that's that's that would be ideal. Like, we're gonna do that.
Dax:We're gonna try to like do it really well. Sorry.
Adam:Sorry. Okay.
Dax:You're sick.
Adam:I know. But I feel bad. I keep telling Casey sorry. Like, sorry, I'm sick. I'm just not a good patient and I'm not helpful at all.
Adam:Like, I'm in bed all the time so she's got the boys by herself. And I know it's not my fault for being sick, but kind of is. Like, I
Dax:didn't I didn't need to have that brownie
Adam:in Kansas City.
Dax:Like You didn't need to do jujitsu.
Adam:I didn't need I haven't trained jujitsu in over a week because I had my tournament last weekend. I didn't train for a couple days before that just to, like, give myself rest before the tournament. And then I've been sick. I got back. I haven't been able to train.
Adam:It sucks. It's been over a week. I'm obsessed and I wanna get back to it.
Dax:Are you have you do you think you have degraded because you haven't went for a week?
Adam:No. I mean, I
Dax:don't know.
Adam:No? Okay.
Dax:Probably not.
Adam:I'm not
Dax:too worried about
Adam:I mean, like long term, I'm not too worried about it. It does it's hard not to think about, like, all the different workouts I've been doing and, like, the progression of them and then to take a week off. It's like things aren't the same. Did have you ever experienced that? Like, you've been seeing, like, steady growth in a certain area, some stupid thing you're doing, some specific workout.
Adam:And then you take a week off and it's like, it's kinda hard to do the one you did last time and you're not even pushing forward. I just hate that stuff. Hate getting
Dax:sick. Yeah. That I I hate that too. That's why I asked because I think the thing that keeps me like, the longer you consistently do something, it like makes it so you'll keep doing it even longer because
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:You feel really bad to lose like, oh man, I'd be up six months of progress if I stop for a month, I basically lose a large percentage of it. I think a week is okay. I think sometimes a week I'll like go back and I'll, like, do better because, like, I get myself some amount of recovery.
Adam:Yeah. Like, your body rested.
Dax:Yeah. But after, like, two weeks, I know I'm, like, I'm losing the work I put in.
Adam:Yeah. My problem is what you're talking about, the habits. Like, I've lost so many good habits from just getting sick for a week. And not even just like fitness related, but like, it just throws you out of your normal routines and you just realize you come out of it and you're like, oh, I used to do this every day and I don't anymore. That sucks.
Dax:Yeah. Well, this is gonna be gone till till Monday, so I know that's gonna be like crazy disruptive Wow. Because whatever You and Zuko, just boys, bachelor pad. Sorry. Me and Zuko and the two cats, so a lot more.
Adam:I always forget you have cats. Why do you have cats?
Dax:I have a cough now too. Uh-oh. Did did you get Do you get
Adam:a mic? Why do you have cats, by the way? Is that a Liz thing? Let's just
Dax:say that's a Liz thing. No, it's not. You know what's funny? It's explicitly not a Liz thing. These are two cats I had with my previous girlfriend that I retained.
Adam:Well, now you definitely need to get rid of them. No good reason to have cats, especially now that they're tied to a previous relationship.
Dax:Well, what am I gonna do? Get like, kill them?
Adam:Well, no. But, like, cats just, like, they wander around. Just, like, don't let them back in the house.
Dax:They're they're not. They've never been outdoors, really. They're indoor cats. They were you know, they're from New York. Oh.
Dax:They were in an apartment
Adam:for
Dax:for years. So I mean, I'd love for them to be outdoor cats. Like I feel like it's a better life but they can't really make that switch once they've been indoor.
Adam:Do you like them? Do you like these cats? Yeah. They're really
Dax:nice actually.
Adam:I guess you've grown accustomed to them.
Dax:Yeah. Okay. Well, for cats, they are not mean at all. Like, they're never mean and they're like really really friendly. One of them is nervous and she doesn't with new people, she just hides.
Dax:The other one is super friendly. I think the other one could be famous. Like, he's like really funny and quirky and weird. Like, she could be like a Yeah. YouTube I feel I feel like if I took her to like Japan or something, she would, just become famous.
Dax:I don't know. Sounds right to me.
Adam:Why Japan? I'm so confused.
Dax:I don't know. She just has this like Japanese, like, anime quirky vibe to her. She's, like, making all
Adam:these weird noises and, like Oh.
Dax:It's like if you drew, like, a if you'd had, like, an anime cartoon of a cat doing funny things, like, this is this is that one. Okay. Everyone loves her.
Adam:You're painting quite a picture.
Dax:Yeah. Okay. So here's my thing with cats and I think I might honestly always have cats if I'm if I really think about it. Probably outdoor ones now that I live somewhere that I can have an outdoor cat, indoor outdoor cat. But here's what's great about them.
Dax:They're just furniture. Right? You like to decorate your house, like to have like interesting things in your house to look at to give it a nice ambiance. Cats are very low work, but like Yeah. There's lot people who need do
Adam:care of themselves.
Dax:And they're they just like position themselves as furniture in random parts of your house and do like occasionally cute things or funny things. They're super interesting like, they're crazy curious and like, will like investigate anything new. Yeah. They're just nice to have around in the background. It's like it's like having birds in your backyard.
Adam:Like Uh-uh.
Dax:That type of thing.
Adam:I don't know why I don't like cats. I'm I'm realizing like, I think I just have some like idea in my head that I don't like cats. But it's stupid because I don't think I actually dislike them. I don't have a reason to.
Dax:I mean, I kinda felt that way too before I got them. And I was like, okay, I see I see the appeal. I'm still mostly a dog person, but I I get it.
Adam:There's not a lot of people that are both. I feel like maybe that's what it is. I like dogs, I just assume I don't like cats. But I have no reason not to like cats. We had cats growing up.
Adam:A lot of them.
Dax:This is a great lesson. There's a great lesson in here somewhere. You know, just look at just because you like one thing doesn't mean you gotta hate the other thing, all you people on text Twitter.
Adam:Yeah. There you go. Just because you like SSC doesn't mean you have to hate the CDK. There
Dax:you go. Lesson for all of you listening.
Adam:I feel like we talked so much tech on that episode that will never air because my audio was screwed up. We talked about Svelte kit. We or all a Svelte five or six point o, whatever it is. This episode, no tech. Sorry.
Adam:We got it all out of our system. It's you're never gonna hear it.
Dax:There was something that I wanted to talk about, but I can't remember now. Oh, Cloudflare stuff. You see all this stuff No. From
Adam:Please tell me.
Dax:Oh, man. I feel like nobody I feel like nobody's I mean, I did see it in a bunch of places but I feel like it's a huge deal and I thought it would be like, people be more excited.
Adam:I'm pretty unplugged. Don't take my unawares as any signal.
Dax:Yeah. So they launched their AI stuff and it is very, very compelling. So they basically now have an API where you can run, a variety of models in a completely serverless way. So, I mean, that's that's I guess that's maybe too much buzzwords because technically you can just try OpenAI in the same way. But it's it's it's just an API.
Dax:Right? But the point is they're loading, they've preloaded a bunch of open source models in there. They're gonna continue to add more. They're gonna be able to bring your own models. And it's obviously because Cloudflare is all global, we can just connect to whatever the local region is and they're, like, rolling out more coverage over time.
Dax:It is insanely cheap. It is, like, very, very cheap. I think it is by far the cheapest way to do all kinds of interesting things and they've launched a vector database alongside with it. Are you are you familiar with, like, how that stuff works together?
Adam:I'm sort of familiar. I know, like, the type of information that these models want to store is suited to vector database. OpenAI was gonna have some kind of storage, like all your personal information could be stored in a vector database. Yeah. I don't remember which one it was, but
Dax:Yeah. Although, I don't know well, it makes sense for OpenAI to do that. Didn't know that they were doing that. But so yeah. So Cloudflare has their own so just for just for context, the idea with the vector database is you might have a set of data that's large.
Dax:Let's say it's, I don't know, like every PDF that your company every invoice your company has ever sent out with a description of the work and and the cost and whatever. Obviously, a random open source model has no idea about that data. So the architecture you use to be able to use these two things together is you run each, document through a process to generate something called embeddings. And embedding is just like a a like a it's basically a big array. It's a big array of a bunch of numbers.
Dax:So you might get like Yep. For each PDF, you might get like a thousand array item with,
Adam:you know, a bunch of a bunch
Dax:of things. You can sort this in a in a vector database. Then you can ask the AI, your prompt. You can say like, show me all the invoices where, we worked on front end stuff. I don't know, something like that.
Dax:You generate an embedding for that as well. And then now you can go compare and find the most recent most similar items in your database. Yep. And that might be enough because you're just looking for, okay, give me it's like a search. Or you might need to Yeah.
Dax:Or you might need to now, like, process like, that one more time to the AI. So then you can re prompt the AI with now that small subset of relevant invoices or relevant PDF Mhmm. And and and rerun it through. So this is like a very common workflow. I'm actually gonna be playing with it today because, so we launched that issues feature in SSC and the thing with every everything like Sentry that does error reporting, the big challenge is grouping similar errors.
Dax:So right now we have some, like, simple heuristic for doing that, like, the error type is the same and it's kind of in the same place in the code. Yeah. Probably is the same thing. But this is, a perfect fit for this. Like, you can just generate a vector for each each error and just find the most similar error.
Dax:If it's within a threshold, you can assume that, okay, maybe these should be grouped together. So prior to this, I couldn't really I didn't really see any place that was cheap enough to for this to be viable. But yeah, this looks great. Like, it's it's cheap, it's on a well mature cloud provider, all the compliance stuff is there. So I really think this, like, really enables the first, like, non toy applications to start being built.
Adam:Very cool. So when you said there's built in models, what what did they start with? Do you could you name some of them?
Dax:Yeah. So the flagship one is, the the Llama two thing from Facebook.
Adam:Yep. Is this all just like text generation stuff or is there any image generation?
Dax:Yeah. So they have it, they have image generation stuff. They don't have stability, in there yet. They also have I think it's, speech processing, so audio to text. Yeah.
Dax:Okay. And there's there's some dedicated ones for generating these vectors to the vector database, which is probably what I'm only playing with. But yeah, it's right now, they set up just like the framework for it and it seems like they can add more models as demand for them shows up.
Adam:Very cool. That that reminds me that I wanna talk this episode would be great about all the AWS stuff. Investing in that a company. What's it called?
Dax:Oh, Anthropic.
Adam:Anthropic. I wanna talk about Bedrock because I mostly just have not stayed on top of AWS's LLM efforts or AI efforts. So, yeah, Cloudflare. Is there like a blog post? I'm sure we can link the blog post.
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. They they wrote a blog post about it. Yeah. It's very and by the way, you don't have to use Cloudflare Workers.
Dax:It's just a normal API. So Oh, nice. That's why we can now plug it into our app pretty quickly. We just need to sign up for Cloudflare and put in our credit card and it's a normal API with a nice SDK. Yeah.
Dax:But but I mean, speaking of AWS stuff, that is very relevant. So me and Liz have been working on like a feature for Boomi that's gonna use AI. And we've been prototyping just with OpenAI stuff. Mhmm. But we can't really go to production with it because it's in the healthcare space and they don't sign BAs.
Dax:So we've been waiting for AWS to do their thing, launch an API that does this type of like, to to to do this type of inference work.
Adam:Yep.
Dax:And they have announced it. It's called Bedrock and it's gonna be similar to what I just described with Cloudflare where it's an API and there's gonna be a bunch of models for you to select from. So I thought they were gonna be the first to, like, get something production ready out there. But, yeah, Cloudflare Kinda jumped them. Into it, which is yeah.
Dax:Yeah. And Bedrock is ready. I just don't think it's public. But I don't think they're far behind.
Adam:So Bedrock is not an AWS, model. It's actually just a place where you run other models.
Dax:Has has They have their own. I think it's called Titan. So one of the options is one is their own.
Adam:Are there any details on like how that compares to a llama two? Like, these things are very expensive and take a long time to train. I'm just curious like what has how much has AWS invested? Do you have any idea?
Dax:I don't know. I I mean, I've only heard from well, you're a hero. Shouldn't you have gotten access? I mean,
Adam:maybe. I don't know.
Dax:I just feel like totally checked out. I'm not
Adam:checked out. Stop it. No. I'm just I've been checked out from literally everything for months as we finish up Yeah. This work that I've been doing.
Adam:So I've just been completely disconnected from all this stuff.
Dax:I thought all the heroes got access to Bedrock. Maybe. I know a bunch
Adam:of I need to check the Slack.
Dax:You might have access. You might
Adam:have access. Yeah. Play with it.
Dax:Yeah. Because I was talking to I think AJ was showing me some screenshots. It doesn't seem as good as OpenAI, but it still seems pretty good. Obviously, all these production models are not gonna be as good as OpenAI. I think OpenAI's brand is
Adam:like Yeah.
Dax:We're the most advanced but the most advanced isn't necessarily the most practical for most use cases or even needed. But they seem pretty good.
Adam:I mean, they've had a huge they had a huge head start. Right? I mean, they started a lot earlier than everybody else on training these things.
Dax:Yeah. I guess that's what it boils down to. I'm so surprised by how close the gap is though. It's not that far.
Adam:Well, didn't OpenAI I mean, they even somebody, an executive there said, like, we really don't have any defensible anything. Like, this is just gonna be commodity. I thought somebody said that.
Dax:I think someone at Google said that.
Adam:Oh, maybe that's what the headline.
Dax:I found that so funny because I'm like, why does this make headlines? Like, there was some headline being like, says OpenAI has no moat and it was like being spread around. I was like, they have no moat. And I'm just like, it's just one random person that said a thing. It's like, I do kind of agree with it, but it's just like a random person at a competitor that kinda got embarrassed Yeah.
Dax:By this company. Did. That's true. I don't know. It was weird.
Adam:That a news item? Yeah. That's interesting.
Dax:Yeah. Like, person says thing and it's just like it's just it's honestly just a tweet. That was just a tweet. Yeah. And it like Yeah.
Dax:It like made made news.
Adam:I mean, half of like, when I end up on some, like, newspapers website or whatever, some article these days, how much of it is like, thing happened on Twitter. Here's a whole story about it. They had like five tweets. It's the lamest thing ever. Like, just get on Twitter.
Adam:We don't need this.
Dax:I know. It's like it's so it's like you're just you're just drawing our focus to the fact that you've been like disintermediated like
Adam:Well, that was a nice word. Say it again.
Dax:Dis It's hard to say. Disintermediate. You know, it's one of those words that I I read and maybe I've written a bunch of times but I never say it out loud. Yeah yeah yeah.
Adam:But basically, like, replaced, like This intermediate.
Dax:Yeah. Because they're they're like an intermediary and we don't need them anymore. Yes.
Adam:We don't need exactly. Because we get stuff directly from the people.
Dax:Yeah. Directly from From x.com.
Adam:When are they gonna when are they gonna make it x.com and not twitter.com?
Dax:I don't know. Oh, did you see that, their CEO was saying 90% of advertisers are back?
Adam:Wait. Their CEO is not Elon Musk?
Dax:No. Man, you were just you were you've been really busy, No. You know, they they they he finally found, like, someone to take it on full time. Really? It's this woman from
Adam:It's not MrBeast.
Dax:He's not actually from tech, she's no. From I yeah. I was kinda worried about it because I was like, I think this the choice made sense. It was someone from the advertising world more than it's just from like the media advertising I think I forgot where exactly she was from, versus someone from tech, which I think makes sense because you need to get this business to be profitable. I was just worried that she would start trying to play product, which it doesn't seem like she she she's just focused on getting the the business running which is good.
Dax:So I think it was a
Adam:And you said 90%. Sorry, I totally lost over the point here. 90%
Dax:She said 90% advertiser back and she wouldn't she said something about them turning a profit in the first quarter of next year.
Adam:Oh, wow. That's a big turnaround after it crashed pretty hard.
Dax:I can't wait. I can't wait for them to announce the profit because just all the really confident haters that were like Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely there's there's no way this company can make money. Like, you can't just fire everyone and expect it to work and it's making money for the first time.
Adam:Yeah. Why why do people what what is that reaction? Like, I mean, I know a lot of people just don't like Elon Musk. So anything he does, they root against, which I still I don't understand disliking a person that you don't know a public figure so much that you just want them to fail. I don't really get that.
Adam:Especially when, like, all of us would be impacted. Like, if Twitter failed and we just didn't have Twitter anymore, that would suck.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:So I'm not like an Elon Musk fan. I don't really have a lot of people that I would call myself a fan of, like, a person I don't know. I don't know. But it's just weird to me to be like an anti
Dax:I don't really I I I, like, don't care about him either.
Adam:Yeah. I just don't care. Yeah. I don't care. But it's weird to think that people are like, oh, I hope it fails.
Adam:Elon Musk.
Dax:Yeah. I mean, I I I think I think I get it. It's obviously firing a bunch of people isn't a very likable thing to do. So I think people's understandable reaction is to say, that was a bad negative thing and it was pointless. And it was like Mhmm.
Dax:There's no point to it and it was
Adam:like Gotcha.
Dax:Not only was it like obviously a tough thing to do, was also like a bad pointless thing to do and they kinda wanna believe that it was like just an evil thing. But yeah, I think that, you know, it's clear the company would have especially with the downturn that happened right when he bought it.
Adam:Yeah. That didn't sound good. They would have had to do it anyway. Right. Yeah.
Adam:Oh, man. I start I start having all kinds of thoughts when you say those things And I start questioning, like, am I am I like a am I right wing? I don't know. Where do I land on this? I don't know where I land on the political spectrum.
Adam:But when I hear some of this, it's kind of like, I don't know. It's a job. Like, people get fired all the time. And like, you're not entitled to a job. And, like, ultimately, if the thing isn't profitable and it doesn't like if the company shouldn't have 7,000 employees, then, like, it shouldn't have 7,000 employees, and it's not mean to fire people.
Adam:There's like this weird perception that like full time jobs are this like bedrock of America and you just deserve one and like, I don't am I sounding super like right wing? I don't even know.
Dax:I think a lot of people would perceive this as like you saying that as like, oh, you're a bad person or like you hate workers or you just blah blah blah. They'll say a bunch of bad things. But I think the reality is, yeah, like, we are all trying to put together something sustainable so that people can make a sustainable living. Like Yeah. That happens when you have a company that is founded, find some way to create value and find a way to stick around for a long time.
Dax:And any stable job that gives you a great income, great world life balance, like the life that you've wanted is built on the fact that the company itself is creating value. If that's not there, then the other stuff can't exist. It's like, it exists as like a downstream effect of that. Yeah. Like I tweeted the other day and I muted it right away because I knew I knew what was gonna happen.
Dax:I tweeted the other day that, there's a weird thing where people are like, whenever they see like a founder that works really hard, think a great example is is Jared I don't know if you remember when he was like, people were just like, that's unhealthy, that's bad, like, nobody should do that. It's to me, it's fine if you don't wanna do that. Like, choose the way you wanna live your life, choose the balance you want, that's great. But it's weird for people to get upset about other people doing something different Yeah. Particularly when the company you worked at probably at some point required someone to work an unhealthy amount Yeah.
Adam:To like
Dax:get it off the ground.
Adam:That's true.
Dax:Right? So there's like this really great synergy of like some people choose that and you don't have to choose that, we just need a few people to choose that. The reality is 99% of people that choose that walk away with nothing. We need some people to choose that, but 1% of them can succeed so that there's like a sustainable thing for the rest of us to kind of slot into. So there's a synergy like, appreciate your great job and your great life.
Dax:There's like, it required like something from someone else. So don't just say like, it's automatically bad to to work Yeah. Like this. Yeah. Because it does so some stuff does require that.
Dax:And most people replied like being like, yeah, totally. But then there's a a few people just like really upset about it and just being like, you don't understand anything about the world or the history or like economics or blah My blah favorite thing is, people love to like do this thing where they're where when I talk about a topic, they'll like think they're being like all like, they'll reply being like, well, you're good at this thing but the topic you're commenting on, like, don't really know anything about that. You just stick to your thing. But I get that in every single topic. Like, are so if I talk about like front engineering
Adam:You're good at back end but don't talk about front end. You know I mean?
Dax:Exactly. But then when I talk about back end, I get the reverse thing. Yeah. And this one I got like, you might be a good engineer, but like you have a lot to learn about economics. And the funny thing is the first tweet for me that ever like, went big and viral was about economics.
Dax:Yeah. So
Adam:The apples, right?
Dax:The Yeah. The apples.
Adam:The Naval? Naval? Naval? Naval?
Dax:Naval? Naval oranges.
Adam:Know you've corrected me and I can't remember which one I said first that you corrected.
Dax:Yeah, the the retweet. Yeah. But yeah, so it's just like, there is this thing there where people just see things as too black and white. It is just really complex and you just need all kinds of things happening. And like, you gotta appreciate what you have.
Dax:Like, is not guaranteed and people 50 ago even just as recent fifty years ago, some of the type of lives that people have now, it's like, would have just been impossible fifty years ago.
Adam:I'm really hung up on this politics thing. I mean, just like, I don't know. I don't I I think I just don't fit into any of the the specific molds. I I don't know. Like, Casey's super progressive.
Adam:Like, I would call her far on that end. So I thought I was too. Because I you just kinda like you kinda like become your spouse. You know what I mean? Like
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:In so many ways, I've become a lot like Casey. Things that I never would have guessed twenty years ago. I would be a certain way. I am a certain way. So I think I just assumed.
Adam:But, like, then I also get really bothered by like far right stuff. I get really bothered by all of it. I think I just don't like any of it. Is that possible? Does that does that make me moderate?
Dax:I think what you're describing, I think a lot of people would relate to. I feel like I relate to what you're describing. Okay. Yeah. Because I don't I don't feel like I just don't have I think some people have a clear like, I'm this thing, this is the leadership for that thing
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:I'm into that leadership. Whereas for me, I'm like, I don't really like any of it. Yeah. I think I can imagine a person that I would like and they exist but it just that person has no way of like, reaching the top or like being a presidential candidate or
Adam:whatever. Mhmm.
Dax:Yeah, like there's always people that I like very early on and oh, I'm excited for the new presidential race.
Adam:Oh yeah, that's gonna be taken over soon.
Dax:I know people take it very seriously and this may be upsetting, but I'm just gonna be really honest. I really like it as like an entertainment thing because I think
Adam:Oh, it's I mean, it's very entertaining. All the I mean, I listen to the podcast. I don't again, I don't care at all about much of it. But, like, I listen to the FiveThirtyEight podcast where they're, like, breaking down all the polls and all this stuff. I don't know why.
Adam:It is very entertaining. Something about it.
Dax:Yeah. Like, the debates and all the people and then people and then, like, you, like, narrow it down. It's it's just sports. And
Adam:It really is.
Dax:It's just sports.
Adam:The debates are so theater. I mean, they're just so entertaining.
Dax:Yeah, it's just theater and people can pretend like, no, I'm a good person because I, like, care about this stuff. Like, let's be honest, like, 90% of the fact 90% of the reason we're into it is because it's entertaining like sports and we get to feel like it's a world of good things. It's a part in so it just it just adds together. But yeah, am excited for that. But yeah, early on in all the races, I always feel like, oh, like that's a person that Yeah.
Dax:Maybe like, I I can see them like, I can see myself like them but I know chance. There's no chance that MIT versus making it past the primary.
Adam:Like, it's not gone through that. Casey and I, we went through the whole I don't know. In the last fifteen years, we've been married. At some point, one of the elections, we had the, like, oh, but look at the the independent the third party candidates. They're so great.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:And it's like, you just feel you're throwing your vote away, but then if everyone does that, they'll get another vote. Like, I don't know. Are you supposed to, like, die on your vote and like, I did the right thing.
Dax:I think people should. I think that actually is it seems wrong but it like, any system needs feedback. Yeah. And if it's not
Adam:working And that's feedback.
Dax:Like, it needs to get that feedback. But, like, the system doesn't learn from the feedback. Feel like I feel like, I honestly think Democrats could easily I honestly think both parties could easily win. If they were just focused on pure strategy of, like, what would get us the w Mhmm. I think it's actually very easy.
Dax:Like if the republicans fielded someone that's not insane to the right and we're just like a normal person like maybe a little bit, like kind of conservative leaning in things they try to talk about, That person would just win. There's like no Yeah. Chance that they would even have a chance of losing. But like, that person's never gonna be the one that gets gets a nomination, right? Yep.
Dax:A normal kind of boring dude, like, is not gonna get the
Adam:I mean, guess the last one we had would have been Mitt Romney. Kind of boring, normal dude.
Dax:Exactly. He's actually the perfect I always think about what would have happened if he won because I didn't want him to win when he was running. But now looking back, I'm like, what if he ended up just being the leader of the Republican party and like, he got eight years? Like, would it be as crazy as it is today? Yeah.
Dax:Maybe not. Like, maybe if you like could re engineer history, like, might have been the better thing.
Adam:Yeah. It does seem like someone like him flies in the face of, like, today's media and, like, the extremeness of everything.
Dax:Like, I'm craving a Mitt Romney now. Like, I'm sure a lot of people are. I'm sure if you go back ten years, then you told people you'd be craving this person. It would sound ridiculous but
Adam:I don't even know, like, where he stands on anything politically.
Dax:It's just like you said,
Adam:he's not an insane person, I don't think.
Dax:Yeah. He's like, you might disagree with him but it's not gonna be like, I disagree with him a 100%. I feel like, if you disagree with them, it may be like a 20% disagreement. Yeah. And then you might agree on other stuff.
Dax:So it I don't know. It just I I don't know if we're ever gonna get back to that, really.
Adam:Yeah. The normal, like normal people being in office?
Dax:Normal ish people. Like, they're always gonna be weird because you're weird if you spend your life trying to be a politician.
Adam:Yeah. No. It's true. So I'm gonna this whole Taylor Swift stuff, have you heard anything about the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce? No.
Adam:Okay. Well, Taylor Swift is dating a football player and it's been a big story.
Dax:Mhmm. I did see okay. No. Yes. I did see people talking about this.
Adam:Yeah. So anyway, heard through all this that Taylor Swift could like win the presidency if she just ran like polls show. Probably. Yeah. Yeah.
Adam:Which is funny. Like all the people in the public sphere that are just more popular than any politician that if they chose Yeah. They could probably just
Dax:My my like I said, my opt I think I mentioned this before, but my if I had to spin this whole thing in the most optimistic way, I look at it as in any group of people in any society, there's always people that are gonna like crave power and wanna like do this Yeah. Like political thing. So maybe our whole system is just like a honey what's it called?
Adam:A honeypot for those people?
Dax:It just like sucks those people in and they spend their whole career just like fighting with this other side and never really accomplishing anything good or bad.
Adam:Interesting.
Dax:So maybe that's the whole purpose of it. Like, we just can put all those people there, do all these weird crazy stuff and they never really get anything done so it's it's mostly fine.
Adam:Yeah. So I had this thought run through my head earlier that, like, does it really matter whoever's president? Like, what do they actually accomplish? I think there's some people that would get upset and say, there have been some things that yeah. There definitely have.
Dax:Yeah. Have. Yeah. I think the Supreme Court stuff has been Yeah.
Adam:The Supreme Court is what came to my mind. Gotten kind of yeah. Like, especially with the lifetime appointees. I mean, that just the nature of how long that impacts future generations. Yeah.
Adam:That stuff sucks. So we we are acknowledging, Dax and I. I just don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna get canceled or whatever it's called. I can't say that. I I shouldn't say I don't wanna get canceled.
Adam:That's that's itself, like, a bad thing to
Dax:say. Cancellable.
Adam:Yeah. We're aware that bad things have happened to lots of people because of who's in office. But it doesn't matter as much as people think. I think that's the thing. But they don't have as much power to change things as maybe it feels during election cycles.
Dax:Yeah. At least like the individual president. Yeah. Yeah. I do the other side of it though is I do feel like this reminds me so much of SATs where eventually that it just got figured out and now there are teachers that can coach you into getting an amazing SAT score.
Dax:Yeah. And it kind of makes SATs kind of pointless now.
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:I kind of feel that way about like our system of government. I feel like everyone just figured out like it was working really well, like balancing everything Yeah. And now it's like people figured it out, you know. There's always constant attack on any, like, system like that. And I feel like, yeah, they had to figure out how to, like, rig it in certain ways.
Adam:This doesn't add to your point at all, but it just reminds me so much of also the NFL Combine where there's, like, coaches that can shave, like, three
Dax:tenths of
Adam:a second off your 40 time just by, like, techniques.
Dax:Exactly.
Adam:Yeah. It's like any system will be gamed given enough time.
Dax:Yeah. Will be out
Adam:of It's been like a couple hundred years The US has had to to game the political system.
Dax:Yeah. I
Adam:mean, the that's what you like the gerrymandering, all that stuff. Like you think of all that, how that impacts things. Yeah.
Dax:Sucks. Yeah. Sometimes yeah. You just wonder.
Adam:I think my political position is apathetic. And that's probably a privileged thing to say. But it just feels like none of it matters. Or at least it feels like nothing I can do actually matters.
Dax:Yeah. I mean, that's a goal though. I think I think it the goal to have for most people, you never really hear about what's going on in the government, like, because it's just not really doing doing much. Yeah. I think if you think about, I mean, like ten years ago, I don't know.
Dax:I just I was a little I was younger too so maybe I just wasn't aware but you just like weren't thinking about I feel like people didn't have to think about this stuff all the time because there just wasn't as much going on. Yeah. You want like a government that's like just kind of boring and doing their thing. You're not like everyday wondering like, what are they up to?
Adam:Like, are
Dax:they doing something bad? You know?
Adam:Yeah. Trust in institutions, I just heard that again. I've heard that so many times that like how low trust in institutions is at this stage. It's been declining since like the seventies or something. Where did I hear this?
Dax:I don't
Adam:learn things.
Dax:What? I mean, I I don't learn things.
Adam:I'll listen to a book or something, I don't know.
Dax:Yeah. I mean, I I believe that. I think I see I see that stat all the time. It's not surprising. The other thing I want to talk about though is, I was talking to Liz about it the other day.
Dax:You you've heard this term like, inchitification, right? No. Inchitification of okay. Well, people talk about how like stuff oftentimes just gets shittier and we've all experienced this with like, like tech products. Yep.
Dax:Well, like, you'll use a product for a while and it'll be really good and it'll either get acquired or, like, the founders kind of get rich
Adam:Yep.
Dax:And they're, like, aren't trying as hard, and it starts to get shitty. I feel like we're in this phase where so many things in parallel are in that part of the cycle at the same time. Yeah. So it kinda adds up to feeling like to feeling pretty negative. Like, it's like, it's like really stupid stuff.
Dax:Like, I look at Slack and I'm like, I remember when Slack was like awesome and I loved it, it was a great tool. Now I'm like clicking around them, it's like, just don't there's just so much shit everywhere, like, it's like very confusing. I feel that way about Airtable, I feel that way about a bunch of different tools.
Adam:Oh no, Airtable. That was one of your few on your short list of recommendations.
Dax:With Airtable, I can still keep it minimal but like everything that they've built in the last like couple years has been completely irrelevant to me. Just like hide it and pretend it's not there. Yeah. Yeah. And then do you have like all these big tech companies like like Google where they're just, like, haven't really they still have a crazy amount of power and influence and control, but, like, they just don't do anything Yeah.
Dax:Impressive or good. So they're in, like, an unification.
Adam:It's like okay. I'm I'm having so many thoughts. I I gotta contain them. It's oh, it's like the universe and, like, the entropy thing. Everything just, like, moves toward chaos.
Adam:And, like Yeah. Is it just that all the good things happen at the beginning of any given life cycle and then it's just degrading from there. Like, you think about software. Just every every software company is gonna continue to build features until they die. Like, until the software company dies, the thing will just keep getting more features.
Adam:And does it need more features? Maybe it doesn't. But, like, you can't just sit around and just have a product that you maintain forever. That would not fly. You gotta, like, grow sales and grow whatever and grow, grow, grow, and biggering and bigger.
Adam:The Lorax, anybody? So is is this just like inflationary economy stuff? Is this the laws of the universe? What is this? What is this principle?
Dax:Yeah. I think I think I look at it more like if you think about when these companies came out, they were disrupting something. Mhmm. Something was there that they were disrupting.
Adam:I mean,
Dax:do you take Slack like they were disrupting what did we use before? Like all those shitty Yeah.
Adam:There was stuff.
Dax:Business messenger stuff. Uh-huh.
Adam:Those Microsoft products mostly, probably. So this might
Dax:just be the cycle might not actually be a cycle in the world, it might be a cycle of our like, ourselves, like, the age we're at. Because Mhmm. We don't really remember the previous generation of things that got disrupted, but they did exist. Mhmm. And there was something there to disrupt.
Dax:These companies disrupted them, built something much better. But at some point, they have to become that shitty incumbent Mhmm. That gets disrupted by something else, right? So I think we're maybe in that phase where we're like, now seeing how those older companies came into existence. Like, they must have been good companies at some point as well.
Dax:Yeah. And now and now yeah. Now it's like our our generation of companies are in that.
Adam:But like specifically taking Slack, the product. Like, the product was great when it was at the beginning and it was simple. And then over time, they're just inevitably they're this big company now. They're gonna make more features and they're gonna add to what was a great product and it's gonna become bloated and it's gonna become less magical. Is that like a a requirement of software that it must continue to add features?
Adam:Is there anything that just stayed?
Dax:No. I don't I don't think so because I I think it's just very hard. Right? Like you you have to you're basically at that point thinking about how do you make this company last the founder's own motivations
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:Like beyond, like, keep it Yeah. Keep it being good. Yes, they're gonna add more features but the thing is, the point is they have resources and they need to invest those resources. Those resources don't have to be into just like redesigning it and moving stuff around, like adding features. It could be something a lot more, like a much grander vision, like expanding to other areas that maybe not even directly related because you just have money,
Adam:right Yeah.
Dax:To put it in somewhere. But you have a bunch of bureaucracy, a bunch of people that are like like that think that that's too crazy. You have a board, you've been acquired, like, it's just a lot of stuff gets in the way and, like, who's really at the company, like, motivated to make that happen? Probably probably not not anyone. So the it goes into the least overhead place, which is just like, let's add a button here.
Dax:Let's, like, do this other integration. Let's do these similar things. But there are counter examples. Right? You have examples of companies like this is a random one, but I
Adam:say Like Google. Go ahead.
Dax:But Google hasn't done that well. They haven't expanded outside of their core business well.
Adam:Oh, they haven't done well. But I guess, like, they'd left the original product alone. It's like the same mostly. And then they invested in lots of other ideas. Sorry.
Adam:Go ahead.
Dax:Yeah. It it just hasn't. They just haven't been able to translate into any any wins there. But I was thinking about a company like Nintendo. Right?
Dax:Mhmm. Again, not exactly software, but they do a wide range of things, hardware and software in the form of games. Been around for super long. I think their quality has remained high Mhmm. In all those years.
Dax:Of course, every company's gonna have their misses, but, yeah, like, that's a good that's like a timeless company. You can see it lasting for another hundred years.
Adam:Yep.
Dax:A lot these other companies like most I think it's hard really hard to pull that off. Like it's that's lasted like I mean, how I mean, they started out in like the eighteen hundreds or something.
Adam:Nintendo did?
Dax:Nintendo like stupid old. What? Yeah. They they were like it's one of those companies that's like remarkably old.
Adam:I gotta know now. Nintendo. How quickly can I find this? Here we go. 1889 found it.
Adam:Are you kidding me? What what did they do? Handmade playing cards. That's incredible. Yeah.
Adam:And then in the seventies, they started with games. Donkey Kong in '81. Wow. I had no idea. So that's like Lego too.
Adam:We've got all these Lego books and like they started it's they're so old. And there was like wooden toys and
Dax:Oh, yeah. They
Adam:moving didn't do into the bricks.
Dax:Yeah. So Jay's been reading this Henry Ford book and it's been really crazy. It's a it's a book written by Henry Ford. It seems like an autobiography, but it's more like it's like manual for running businesses. And it's crazy simple and super relevant.
Dax:And one of the concepts he has in it is, he's like, I have nothing against retirement, but don't retire while you're still running the company because that is just bad for society. Yeah. So I think a lot of these companies, the people running them are effectively retired in that they're like, I've done the big thing that I'm do in my life. But they're still running this company and controlling these resources and allocating them and they're not gonna allocate them in the same way that someone that has something to approve is gonna do it, right? But yeah, think it's a really great concept.
Dax:Like this idea of like, these companies are retired Yeah. But they didn't get out of the game Yeah. They're like, still in it.
Adam:Interesting. I learned some new things today. I'm trying to remember what I learned. The Nintendo thing is fresh but
Dax:Yeah. So I just feel like we're in this cycle where a bunch of these things are aligning and it just it's not very inspiring. I'm so optimistic in that this is a very hard time. So there's a bunch of founders right now that are probably gonna be incredible founders ten years from now.
Adam:Just they're being born in this hardened in this terrible cycle.
Dax:Yeah. They're being forged Forged. At these moments.
Adam:Yeah. That's the word.
Dax:They're only gonna be obvious in hindsight.
Adam:Yeah. I hope this episode makes it. I think it will. Second second attempt at number 60. 60 episodes.
Adam:I'm just gonna every 10, I'm gonna be like, 70 episodes. 70? How about that?
Dax:The next milestone is definitely a 100. Yeah. I know. We gotta do something special for a 100.
Adam:Yeah. We will. I feel like I'm kinda if I'm being honest, it feels like I'm phoning it in a little bit to a 100. It's kind of like, we're just gonna get through these next forty episodes.
Dax:Are you retired? Have you retired and Someone you're still doing a
Adam:once made a comment that I was in that phase. I think it was Aaron, actually.
Dax:It was Aaron. Yeah. 100% Aaron. I remember that.
Adam:That was awesome. He didn't say it directly, but I I read between the the tea leaves. Wait. Read between the lines? Read the tea leaves?
Adam:I don't know. Anyway, I'm retired. Don't bother me.
Dax:Weird that you, like, are busier than ever, so you're the opposite of retired if anything.
Adam:I know. I wish I were retired. Jeez. I haven't had time to get on Twitter in weeks. I mean, I have.
Adam:I just haven't. I guess I slept twelve hours last night. I shouldn't talk about how I don't have time for things. But I'm sick, so that's different.
Dax:When I retire, I'm gonna be on Twitter so much. You think I'm on Twitter a lot now. Yeah. Wait till I'm retired.
Adam:No kidding. When you don't have any work to do? What
Dax:what is that me, your whole feed is just gonna be my tweets
Adam:and nothing else.
Dax:I would be tweeting every four minutes.
Adam:Do get on Twitter because it knows that I like you. It knows that I like your tweets. So when I do get on, it's like I'm catching up on all your tweets from the last three days. It's like seven tweets in a row or DAX. It's a good time.
Dax:Yeah. I do wonder what they so I wanna do this thing and I hope it picks up. I want everyone to go to their For You page and record thirty seconds of scrolling down it. Because I'm really curious what everyone's experience is like. Because when I look at my for you page, I'm like, this is good.
Dax:Like, I like what I'm seeing here. Yeah. Everyone has a completely different feelings around it. Like, it sucks. It's always showing me stuff I hate.
Dax:So I am curious for people that are in our bubble, are they basically seeing the same stuff that I'm seeing or are they seeing like radically other other stuff?
Adam:I'm so curious. Did you
Dax:get everyone to
Adam:do that? Did you make that happen?
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking about it. I gotta I gotta post it.
Adam:Now I'm looking at my for you because I was on my following tab and I didn't even realize it.
Dax:It has to be the for you tab because if there's anything embarrassing in there, it needs to be deniable. Yeah. Like, oh, how did that get in there?
Adam:What in the world is going on on Twitter? I haven't looked at the four u in a while and there it's just a mix of, like, absolute garbage and then, like, you guys are all so smart. What are you guys how do you know all this stuff? No. I need to get back to work because I'm just getting I'm getting into the doom scrolling.
Adam:I'm just still scrolling. Hey. Good times. Thanks for thanks for getting on. I keep thanking you.
Adam:That's apparently a new thing I do. Like, thank you, Dax. You're welcome. I I don't know when then this will be the last episode and you just don't wanna get on again. So I'm just gonna thank you, I guess, every episode until a 100.
Dax:I'm just gonna lean into it and be like, you owe me.
Adam:You're welcome. You owe me. You owe me one. Every one of these episodes, I'm indebted a little bit more. Alright.
Adam:Maybe we didn't stream this one. Maybe that's the trick. Maybe that's the key to recording successfully is not streaming. I really wanted to stream this week. I was really hoping Yeah.
Dax:You said you were going to.
Adam:Yeah. I wanted to. I just don't think it's gonna happen. Busy rolling out. Very large.
Adam:When do
Dax:you really like, you you keep hitting like, I I totally relate to it because Yeah. Everyone's gone through this. But you keep hitting like, oh, like, we're basically done milestone. But then it's like, oh, no, we're basically done.
Adam:So this morning, we were gonna roll out to Australia, which is 1% of our traffic.
Dax:I find that so funny because in my head, you guys are just like, fuck Australia. You get our buggy code.
Adam:I mean, we just wanted we wanted to like it needs to be geographically isolated because just the nature of Route 53 and there are different options there. Yeah. So it needed to be geography and we wanted a nice clean 1% and that happens to be Australia. So.
Dax:I wonder if this is a common experience for Australians where they're always just getting
Adam:Oh, maybe.
Dax:Just because they're so they're they're literally on an island Yeah. So it's like you can easily route traffic to just them.
Adam:Yeah. Maybe. They wake up and they're like statues suck. I can't think of any Australian accent words. Good day, mate.
Dax:Or nor.
Adam:Stat news is down. I don't know. That was terrible. Yeah. So we were gonna roll it out this morning.
Adam:There's just a couple little hang ups that I'm working through right now. And then and then we'll probably roll it out. They'll be asleep by the time I get it rolled out today. But it's happening, Ron Paul GIF.
Dax:Oh, yeah. Ron Paul.
Adam:Yeah. Remember Ron Paul? Alright. I'm gonna go sleep for twelve hours and see you later.
Dax:Okay. Yep.
Adam:See you.
