DHH on TypeScript, Enterprise Sales, Weather Fears, and Adam Watches a Movie
I want everyone listening to know that Adam is on a Mac and I am on a Linux machine. And the audio problem is his fault. So readjust your perception of the world.
Adam:So true.
Dax:We're gonna no no, just meant bet next week Twitter's gonna launch the thing that I sent you because they're gonna
Adam:Oh, the video thing.
Dax:Yeah. They're gonna put videos up on the front page the same way they put spaces.
Adam:I mean, you think they're that fast though? That was like a designer that put out a mock up. You think they're just gonna that
Dax:quickly Yeah. Probably won't be that quick I can see it being pretty quick. I gotta be honest, I was thinking about this yesterday. And I know you haven't been using Twitter as much except to show up and piss everyone off and leave. But, I feel like there's more activity on it than ever.
Dax:And if we like think back to a year ago when we were like, is it gonna die? I don't know. To me, I feel like people are using it more than they ever have and there's like all this new stuff coming out on it.
Adam:So this is a really dumb observation of mine, but I had felt like it was pretty dead.
Dax:Oh, really?
Adam:And that's someone who hasn't been on there much this summer. So that's probably why I felt like it was dead is I'm not actually on there. But I do feel like it's been reinvigorated from a DHH blog post Yeah. I talked about that. And tweet.
Adam:Man, everybody It's so funny. Most of what I've seen is just people reacting to the reaction of, like, why is everybody talking about TypeScript? Nobody cares. It's like, no. This is why we're here.
Adam:This is why Twitter exists for these moments. Like, I don't care about Twitter until something like this happens. So, like, muting the word TypeScript, that sounds like you're missing the whole point of Twitter. I know the right way to use Twitter is to hang out with your friends, all that stuff. To me, the right way to use Twitter is to jump on all the exciting, inflammatory wars.
Dax:Yeah. It's crazy though. Somehow, I, like, mostly missed all of this. Yesterday, I think Jay linked in our channel DHH Post. I skimmed it and I was like, well that sounds about right.
Dax:And then I just didn't see anything and then later in the day, I started seeing like Theo's pull request.
Adam:Oh, saw that.
Dax:Darren's pull request at TypeScript repo, and then everyone was being upset.
Adam:Wait, what was that one? I didn't see that one.
Dax:I forgot what it was. I think he was removing TypeScript from the TypeScript repo or something like that. That's good. Yeah.
Adam:That's a lot of work though if he actually, like, made a legitimate PR.
Dax:I mean, both the PRs seemed like a lot of work. I don't know what exactly they did.
Adam:Well, Theo just did a revert, He just reverted DHH, his commit, I would think.
Dax:Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and of course well, it's funny because I I actually had no interest really in talking about it because, I don't know, it's just like such a old conversation that we had a million times like, types, are they do you need them? Are they good? Can you live without them? Like it's just the same conversation over and over.
Adam:That conversation I don't care about. But do you care to talk about DHH anymore? We've had that conversation a lot too. Just how about that guy stirring the pot? He's so good at it.
Dax:It's funny because I, I've been trying not to let myself make this point because I know it's not logical. But the last time he did this was around all the moving away from cloud stuff. And even then I was just like, okay, it makes sense for them but like it has no impact on anything that I think about or see. But people consistently reference that post. They constantly reference that post.
Dax:Like it comes up like once They're a like, you know, with companies like 37 signals moving away from the cloud. Like is is that the fate of every company? Like people keep citing that. And he makes this post and I'm like, this is not a rational point but at the back of my head I'm like, yeah, like this is the guy you've been citing, like do you still wanna keep citing him now? But the two points are unrelated.
Adam:No. People are gonna use this. Yeah. They're gonna they're gonna cite the TypeScript article now. Every anti TypeScript person is gonna come out and they're gonna link this article Yeah.
Adam:Like in every reply.
Dax:It's true.
Adam:But I
Dax:I I just feel like the number of people that are maybe like anti cloud, I think that's a larger group than the number of people that are anti I can see like Yeah.
Adam:Feel For like
Dax:the cloud okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest. The cloud thing, most people do not understand it well enough to have an opinion on So when they read that article, I think people will defer to it to being like, see, they said this, therefore, this point without really understanding any of the details. The TypeScript one, I feel like most people get that it's kind of like an extreme, like maybe not so great point. So I I don't think a lot of people are like, he's right. And I I don't even think anti TypeScript people would cite this, to be honest.
Dax:I feel like it just wasn't that compelling.
Adam:Can I just say, I I feel like your voice sounds deeper? Does it sound deeper? Did you, like, EQ your voice to be deeper? It sounds yeah. Is it because of my got I my I hurt my throat and my voice got really low and you're like, oh, man.
Dax:I started smoking cigars. We talked about it last last time.
Adam:Yeah. You got the gravel in there.
Dax:The range of my voice goes up and down a lot.
Adam:Oh, really?
Dax:It's always deep but some days I wake up
Adam:and it's deeper than usual. It seems way deeper today. I don't know. Maybe it's Twitter spaces. Maybe that's it's just something about Maybe.
Adam:Your voice on Twitter. Oh, because it's a different crowd on Twitter. This is like people that you have, like, you've thought fluenced.
Dax:These people You say I'm acting different?
Adam:You gotta come out and be like, yeah, you just kinda have a little different air to you, you know, a little deeper voice.
Dax:Liz does point out to me that because we met in a work context and she says that I'm lucky that I have a deeper voice because there's like a subtle boost to everything I say because it sounds more correct or it sounds like I should be taken more seriously. She's like, you said that I probably have never really worried too much about being taken seriously because there's like this subtle impact of having a deeper voice. And I do think it's valid. Interesting. Feel like like all these little things affect people.
Dax:Like, the way someone looks, you might take them more seriously or less seriously.
Adam:Yeah. I'm tall. I've always had that tall advantage. Except on the internet, not so much.
Dax:That's true.
Adam:It doesn't really help me.
Dax:You should should shift your camera so that your head's like a little bit out of frame.
Adam:You can like see yeah. You can see my height, my camera angle. Get my whole body in view.
Dax:Yeah. But those things those things matter. Yeah.
Adam:Historically. Yeah. I wonder as we move to the metaverse I'm
Dax:just kidding.
Adam:Do you so do you think DHH do you think they were able to remove TypeScript and not care because they didn't have end to end type safety? Is it because they use Rails and they're missing out on the glory of TypeScript front and back?
Dax:I think that the mistake that everyone is making is that the same mistake that everyone always makes, which is assuming just because we're in tech, all our decisions have some, like, rational thing that we can take away some logic from. Half her decisions, if not more, are just arbitrary. This is an arbitrary decision from DHH. He doesn't like TypeScript. Why?
Dax:He just doesn't like it. It doesn't click for him. It doesn't feel good when he looks at TypeScript. For me, when I look at TypeScript, it makes me feel good, also kind of arbitrary. So I think they just removed it randomly.
Dax:I think they're gonna have some benefits that are maybe objectively rational. There's already a ton of downsides if you saw all the screenshots people are pulling from the comments on the repo. I posted one of them. Where they're like, they already have like bugs from removing TypeScript or like things that are confusing. But yeah, this was a random decision and it's funny that everyone like reacts to it with a bunch of rational reactions, but it's like rolling the dice from my point of view.
Adam:So DHH, a little a young impressionable dass was such a DHH fan Yeah. When Remote came out or whatever. Like, he was pretty influential in your early career. And then he came out and he came out swinging against the cloud, against TypeScript. Where are you at on the DHH love hate skill now?
Dax:I think the way I think about people I like I don't I feel like people are so complex that I don't like just being like, this person now sucks. I have to like give them credit for what they did, right? Like the the thing I always say is, there was a time where DHH was extremely contrarian and extremely correct in a world where literally nobody agreed with the way he viewed building companies. And he pushed the bar on that, put in the work to publish books on it to like spread this concept of like working remotely. And now, you know, people love this and like they're all grateful that, you know, the people that can work remotely, they're grateful for it.
Dax:His work did impact that. He was like his his company was one of the leading voices in in one building remotely and two like building companies that maybe didn't have to like follow the traditional VC path and there was like a
Adam:Yeah, like small company.
Dax:Yeah. So it kind of provide inspiration from people that like didn't wanna go to VC path and saw that, okay, I can still have what I want if I go down the bootstrap path. So yeah, I give them credit for that and just because they're saying a bunch of stuff that I don't agree with anymore, like I can't like take that away, like that that's all still there. Plus, I love racing and it was awesome to see, like, someone that was an engineer that became a race car driver. Like, I can't that is just cool.
Adam:He did that, didn't he?
Dax:I'm sorry if you hate DHH but that's just
Adam:a cool thing. If you look up a
Dax:picture of him, he's in a race car outfit. Like, that is cool.
Adam:I've seen the yeah. I've seen the race car outfit. I think I've seen him sitting in like a Formula one car. So he what did he do? Did he like compete in like real races?
Dax:Yeah. I think his big thing was the twenty four hour this is a French name. I always sound weird saying it. Le man? Le man?
Dax:I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's like a really famous race, a twenty four hour race where you do it in shifts with your team. So I think that was the thing he mostly competed in and there are obviously different classes of vehicles and there was a specific class that he was in. It doesn't matter if you win or not, driving those vehicles at those speeds on those roads is extremely hard. Like most people can't do that.
Adam:Oh, I
Dax:was It's very, very difficult. Yeah. Speaking as someone that spent hours in the simulator
Adam:and have crashed a lot of cars in the simulator. Like a physical simulator or just like a video game? Like a No.
Dax:A video game, but I had like the VR setup. I had the wheels, I had the pedals, like as much as you can go
Adam:at Yeah. Wow.
Dax:I had like a pretty good setup and I but the software that I used was like very accurate as well as far as you can get at home.
Adam:That sounds awesome. Wait, do you not still have this set
Dax:I do. I I just don't have it set up. I had it in New York.
Adam:Does it work?
Dax:It also works. Just haven't set it up again. Me me and my friends were really into it for a while. Like, we'd spend like a couple hours every day in the simulator racing together.
Adam:That is awesome. Yeah. I would love to try this out if ever I'm in Miami. Yeah. I'm gonna make you I'll set
Dax:set everything up. You guys should visit. That's next time you guys have a family vacation, consider.
Adam:No. I think we we will. Yeah. We're definitely gonna do it. We were just talking about our next vacation.
Adam:Life has just been man, life is so I don't know if it's the ages of our kids. We're just constantly thinking of how do we get them out of the house? How do we go somewhere? So, like, our next vacation will not be to the beach. That's the only reason we wouldn't come to Miami.
Adam:We wanna go somewhere else. But we're not really sure. Like, we thought, oh, like a like a national park, like a hiking vacation. But our three year olds, they just can't. Right.
Adam:They don't hike. Like and I get tired carrying them. So I don't know. We're we're gonna go somewhere not the beach. And then we'll probably come to, like, Miami, South Florida, something like that.
Dax:So in my neighborhood, there's a place ten minutes away by walk. And it's like this really good vegan place. Everyone loves it. But I've never been there because I'm like, if Adam ever visits me, that's when I'll go there. So I'm saving a a visit to that place because I'm like, not gonna eat vegan food unless I have to because Adam's here.
Adam:Unless you have to, yeah. That's a good reason.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:And now it sound I'm I'm intrigued. I wanna go to this restaurant, this mysterious vegan restaurant.
Dax:It's good. People love it. It's actually it's in a bunch of locations. I've seen it in New York also. I think it's called Planta, P L A N T A.
Dax:But people love it and everyone says it's really good. But, you know, I'll never know until until you visit me. So
Adam:I think there's a jiu jitsu, like a IBJJF tournament in Miami. I can't remember when.
Dax:You're gonna come fight?
Adam:But that would be a
Dax:good excuse. Is that a word? It's not fight.
Adam:I'm gonna come fight.
Dax:What's what's what's a verb?
Adam:Sparring. Spar. Rolling. I mean, call it rolling, but I I In a tournament setting, I don't know what they call it. Matches?
Adam:I don't know. I'll find out. I'll let you know. Matches? I'm gonna travel around the country as a white belt
Dax:and compete. Is that
Adam:what people do? No.
Dax:So you're still going this is it this weekend?
Adam:No. It's the twenty third, the Kansas City Tournament.
Dax:Did anyone else sign up in your in your class yet?
Adam:Not in my yeah. Not in my weight class yet. We'll see. TBA. TBD.
Adam:TB what? What's TBA?
Dax:To be announced? I don't know.
Adam:To be announced. No. To to be determined.
Dax:You're really tired.
Adam:That's the one. What's going on?
Dax:Is it work?
Adam:I am I'm physically run down. I it's just been there's been sickness in the house. It's just been it's been a nightmare. Just the boys, like, they are very at each other right now. Do not do not spread your it's like the age gap is so delicate.
Adam:I think ours are just a little too far apart that they they're just, like, explosive together. Like, the eight year old, you would think he'd just like play down with the three year old, but like he gets invested in what he's doing and the three year old just destroy it for the fun of it. And it just becomes this knockdown, like screaming at each other. I I just feel like if they were like a year closer or a year farther apart
Dax:Mhmm.
Adam:It would have been better. But but at least at this age, like, I'm sure they'll grow out
Dax:of it. Yeah. Man. Yep.
Adam:Can't leave him in a room a lot.
Dax:My brother's ten years younger than me, so we like never fought the way siblings fight because Yeah. Like a 10 year old is not gonna beat up a one year old, you know?
Adam:No, you're like a parent.
Dax:Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
Adam:And you probably didn't play that much together when he was little. It's like you're more watching him.
Dax:Yeah. I mean, played a good amount because I don't know. I like playing with little kids because like, you can just make up anything you want and those kinda go along with it. So I enjoyed it growing up like playing with him. And all my parents friends are really really young kids so I was kinda used to that.
Dax:Yeah. But yeah, like it's it's weird. There's always like a weird zone. So the weird zone for me was probably closer to now where I'm like very much an adult and I'm like really settling down. And my brother's like in a frat, you know.
Dax:He's like in a complete I I cannot relate to anything he's doing. He's like in a frat.
Adam:Oh, wow. That's wild. He's doing his he's he's
Dax:doing his like summer internship on Wall Street in New York. He's DJing at a club at night. Like, it's just like a completely different
Adam:What in the world?
Dax:Different world. Like, I can't relate to any of it. And he just makes fun of me because I just seem Yeah. Really, really old to him. But it's just a ten year gap.
Dax:Things change a lot in that time.
Adam:I mean, your whole life has changed in the last ten years. I know this. Because I know all the
Dax:things you've
Adam:been doing for ten years. Yeah.
Dax:My life started ten years ago, basically.
Adam:It really did. Yeah. So he it's just not starting. I mean, maybe instead of Neovim and Arch, his starts with fraternities and DJ He's not DJ situation. He's not
Dax:an engineer. He's a he's a finance bro. That's the path he's going down, which is which is good. I hope he like becomes good at what I really need is I need him to become good at enterprise sales. That's like the skill set that's not that's not like in my zone like
Adam:You don't have that in your in your Yeah, I
Dax:have that. Either that or he's not gonna become like a product designer. Product I would love a product designer that is like related to me. That would be awesome.
Adam:Oh, yeah.
Dax:But No far from that.
Adam:I used to wish I had, like, a lawyer, like, a lawyer in the family. Not so much anymore. Yeah. Product designer. That would be amazing.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:What? There's something about oh, the enterprise sales thing. So SST, you guys need like, you guys actually have to sell to big enterprises, don't you?
Dax:Yeah. We're I mean, we're very focused on type of company we wanna build. So we're not like we wanna get as far as we can avoiding building like an actual enterprise sales team. I don't think we were gonna need to for a while. I think we can hit like
Adam:Oh, just show them your Twitter. It's like here here's your here's your sales team.
Dax:I gotta
Adam:keep them away from my Twitter if anyway.
Dax:But we do have these giant giant companies that use us, and now that we have like an actual product that they can pay for, it's unrealistic to expect that they're just gonna sign up for it and add their credit card, you know. It's like BMW is not gonna be like, okay, we're gonna add the BMW credit card to the Stripe checkout flow they have. So it's gonna require some amount of outreach but it really shouldn't look like a typical enterprise sales process, I hope. But you know, I was talking about this morning, I was talking about how, even at the small scale we're at, a large portion of our users want to self host the product that we built. So obviously we have to see the open source thing, that's obviously by nature self hosted because it's a point of resource into your account.
Dax:But now our product that works with it, which we launched as like a hosted offering that you sign up for, there's and we
Adam:talked about this before, there's
Dax:like a ceiling on the type of companies that will sign up and put on their credit card. But we have companies like, like BMW or like Samsung or Tesla, like they're not gonna do that so they needed it all deployed in their AWS account. So from the beginning, we knew this was gonna be the case. So when we built our product, we made sure that there was like a reasonable pathway to self hosting it without it being a ton of work for us. And it's one of the reasons why I struggle to use a lot of these third party like dev tools because as good as they can be and as useful as they can be, I can't just go and like Okay.
Dax:If I'm using Clerk for example, I can't be like, oh, let me just Samsung self host our product but then like the auth is still done through Clerk. It, like, just doesn't work. So you're kinda limited in in how much you can use third party services like that.
Adam:That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. The I'm just thinking, like, small team thing. It's like enterprise sales really does kinda conflict with that few number of people.
Adam:Are there any examples of, like, the model tiny companies that have to have the enterprise sales stuff? Like, I think of we talked about like Tailwind Labs being an awesome tiny company doing big stuff. Yeah. But they don't probably have the enterprise sales problem. No.
Adam:Are there examples of people forming out?
Dax:I don't think there is. But weirdly, I think our old product is a weird example of this. So Seed, I just keep discovering more stuff about it because like, you know, I've worked I've worked at Seed for two years, I just have never looked at Seed that hard. I looked at their pricing page out there, our pricing page, two like two months ago and I was like, wait, what are all these things? So they actually you know how there's usually like free tier, pro tier, enterprise tier contact us?
Dax:Instead of a contact us button, they actually just listed all the prices of everything. Like they did not bother, doing the whole contact us thing. So there's like all the enterprise add ons and like it just it just priced there. So because they didn't want to just deal with that whole process and
Adam:They couldn't handle it. Yeah.
Dax:As two people. So, and it all works, it all worked and then it is Again, it's not like the extreme of completely self serve but it's also not the extreme of, you know, three month sales process either. So there are some benefits to gating that stuff behind a contact us, but I think for us we're we really need to lean as much as we can towards towards self serve and, it's not gonna be perfect, but I think we'll land somewhere that's better than most companies. But like I said, I don't think I can think of an example. So we might have to like I think we're like, in this case,
Adam:we're like trying to be,
Dax:to like set the example.
Adam:Yeah. Can you like outsource enterprise sales? Is there like a is enterprise sales as a service? You can just like sign up?
Dax:Pretty much most of the companies I've worked at had that kind of process because we were in some I think the good thing here is we sell to developers and developers, like, understand this process and don't like it. So they're kind of in favor of like, even if it's an enterprise company, they'll try to move stuff along quickly. But my previous experiences selling to non tech companies, like in the healthcare space, the you can't avoid the process because there's just so many little weird dynamics and politics and all these little things that start to come into play. Yeah. And I get there's no avoiding it.
Dax:Like, I don't think you can outsource it. It's all dumb. It's all dumb and pointless. There's no reason it has to be that way. But, it'll be like I mean, it it helps you and hurts you.
Dax:So I remember one situation where Yep. We started talking to an executive at a healthcare company, and they needed something to show to the other people of the company that they were, like, really innovative. And they're, like, really, like, pushing the bar and, like, thinking about tech. So it's a very smooth process because that person had this weird like political reason to like Yeah. Want to use us to show that he's like, you know, progressive or whatever.
Dax:But then there's other people in the company that don't want him to succeed personally and don't care about your product. Even if they like your product. So then that gets in your way so Yeah. Yeah, all that stuff is just like, that's kind of what you need your sales team for, that their their time gets burned in like navigating these. It's not easy, it's hard and like people are very good at navigating this, but that's kind of where the the effort and the resources go.
Adam:So I looked at Twitter and there's friends here. We have friends in the Twitter space. It's nice to see you all.
Dax:Yes.
Adam:It's the first time we've recorded the podcast on a Twitter space. We tried the Twitter live thing, nobody saw it because there's no discoverability. Yeah. It's what we're blaming on.
Dax:Well, there's more people here than there was with the Twitter live. So I hope they'll merge it together, but it looks like they will.
Adam:That'd be great. Yeah. We haven't streamed on Twitch in forever. Are you ever gonna stream on Twitch again?
Dax:Man, I don't know how long my gap has been now. I think it's definitely over a month, maybe two months now. I don't think I've streamed. I don't know what Wow.
Adam:Like aside from we've probably streamed the podcast
Dax:last time. I haven't done like a like a normal stream.
Adam:You haven't done like a a standalone. Such a
Dax:habit I had for a while and I think I just got so busy that working on Twitch for me is so productive, but it's always gonna be x percent less productive. Like, let's say 20% less productive in the best case scenario. I never had that problem. Would say maybe
Adam:like three to 5% less productive.
Dax:I don't think I litera- I I think I feel like your best case stream that I ever saw, you were maybe like
Adam:Okay. I know where this is going.
Dax:10 x less productive. That's like the best case. Like sometimes it was shocking how slow you were going. Like, I I couldn't believe it.
Adam:There were streams I didn't I literally didn't accomplish anything. Yeah. I'm going to TwitchCon and I feel like I got a stream before TwitchCon. So I don't just walk in like, it's been six months, but I used to stream. What's up, everybody?
Dax:Are you, are you guys planning anything? Well, I mean, there's surprises.
Adam:There's a lot of there's a lot of planning.
Dax:Go on. For, like, us as the audience. Like, are you guys in the stream from there? Are you gonna
Adam:Oh, no. We hadn't talked about none of that was in the plans. That should be the plan that should be the plan.
Dax:Yeah. I should do something.
Adam:I'll take a camera. I've got cameras. I'll bring a camera, and I'm gonna turn it on when we're hanging out at some bar doing whatever we're gonna do.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:I mean, there's talks of, like, places we're all gonna hang out. I just I don't think Ebay's talked about, like, doing some kind of live thing. That'd be fun. I mean, you guys are
Dax:all together. I think they did that when Yeah. Whenever they're all in San Francisco together, they do that occasionally.
Adam:Okay. Well, we'll do it. I guess you just do it from your phone. Can you just stream from your phone?
Dax:Yeah, you can.
Adam:Because I don't know how Yeah.
Dax:So I don't
Adam:from a I guess if I had Wi Fi.
Dax:Twitch has a thing. They call it something actually, it's actually a different format and they call it something different. IRL or something? Twitch IRL?
Adam:IRL? Is that what it is? An IRL stream?
Dax:I don't know.
Adam:Am I gonna become an IRL streamer? I'm gonna get a GoPro and I'm gonna walk around Las Vegas and you're gonna be able to see my hands like a first person shooter. It's gonna be awesome.
Dax:Speaking of IRL, so many people we know live in San Francisco. How come it seems like they never hang out. I feel like if I lived in SF
Adam:Do a lot of people we know live in San Francisco still? Because I know a lot of people that left.
Dax:Me too. But if you if you had to take to pick one city that has the most, it probably is still SF, I assume.
Adam:Yeah. I guess so. Trash is outside of San Francisco. He's still in that area.
Dax:He's LA, right? Or he's near LA?
Adam:Wait, Trash? I mean, I don't wanna dox trash. He's right here. I'm pretty sure he's in the Bay Area.
Dax:Oh, really? Okay.
Adam:I'm pretty sure.
Dax:He has LA vibes to me. I could be wrong.
Adam:LA vibes. Yeah. Did you hear that trash? It's the Santa Claus hat, isn't it? Year round Santa Claus hat?
Dax:I think it's something else. I think it's something else. Yeah. But I feel like they I don't I don't really see people hanging out together as much.
Adam:No. That's a good point. I guess like yeah. There I don't know. Are there really like hubs in our little friend group?
Adam:I don't really feel like there's more than two people in any one place. But
Dax:Yeah. Maybe that's the issue. Maybe not maybe it's not like a threshold.
Adam:No. When are we doing the big party thing? I guess React Miami next year. There's just gonna be a party, right?
Dax:Yeah. I mean, and they're gonna announce it officially on the twenty fourth, I think. They've been teasing videos of of things. I'm excited for it. They were telling me they're still gonna try to keep it at 500 people.
Adam:At what not? What?
Dax:Last year they they they always only sold 500 tickets and they're not gonna try to make it any bigger.
Adam:Oh, it's exclusive. Yeah. There's all this It's a small intimate setting.
Dax:Yeah. So, you know
Adam:Some photo.
Dax:Grab those tickets when they come out because they're gonna they're gonna sell out fast.
Adam:How about that? I didn't know this. I'd I'd never heard of a tech conference, like, preventing people from buy like, having a limited number
Dax:of Well, no, there's always a ceiling because like the venue can only support so many. But typically, conferences try to grow
Adam:every year because they just get bigger every year. Like like I went to Render and they talked about how it doubled every year for three or four years.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:So But you're saying eventually, like, they they do cap out when they can't get space.
Dax:Yeah. But but React Miami is capping out like lower than most peep most conferences do. So because
Adam:they want it to be exclude like elite.
Dax:No. I actually don't think it's that. So Michelle, who runs a conference, she's a she's really smart and she like thinks about this stuff a lot and she goes to a lot of conferences and she really thinks about the dynamics of it. And she was telling me that, she feels that after 500, like when you start getting closer to seven fifty, it starts to hit that phase where, this reverse thing happens, where there's more people there, but everyone's kind of overwhelmed, they're
Adam:more likely to stick very tightly to the people they know Mhmm.
Dax:And not really like branch out as much. And the people that typically serve as bridges to different groups of people, because they know like people from different groups Yeah. They also start sticking closer to like their primary group. And she feels like, it just turns into this different thing. And if you remember Reinvent, which is like the extreme of that, that's exactly what happened.
Adam:Oh, jeez.
Dax:Yeah. We stuck with the same people, and we physically stuck in the same place for, like, the whole conference.
Adam:We just sat in that same yeah.
Dax:That same room.
Adam:I mean, even Render was was intense for me. I think I did that. I stuck with the people I knew and I didn't really try to branch out.
Dax:So the thing that was nice about React Miami is I feel like, I think it hit that nice zone where there's a lot of people I knew and I was excited to go hang out with them. But when we were hanging out, it wasn't this thing where other people couldn't join in. So it was like 50% people I knew, 50% people I was meeting. So I think, yeah, she thinks really hard about those like little social dynamics and figuring out exactly like, how to optimize that. She also talked about there's this whole like opportunity cost thing that's always in the back of someone's head.
Dax:Like, am I talking to this person for too long? Am I missing out something else? So there's a Yeah, there's all this psychology to it, which is I guess if you're running a conference, that's that's type of stuff that you would really think hard about.
Adam:Yeah. No, that's when do the tickets go on sale? Because I'm gonna have
Dax:to You're pated now.
Adam:Be an early
Dax:bird on this I
Adam:am. I've already got FOMO.
Dax:It hasn't even Yeah.
Adam:Tickets are
Dax:on sale yet. They said they're gonna announce just the conference itself. They've been doing teasers this whole week. You bet you should follow the account at reactmiamiconf.
Adam:I should follow the I might be following it.
Dax:And yeah, think Oh, they're launching October 2. So they're gonna launch like the site and the tickets, I'm assuming. October 2.
Adam:October 2. Okay.
Dax:I don't even know if I'll do a talk this year.
Adam:I'm pretty excited. I'm definitely going to that one. You're not gonna do a talk?
Dax:I don't even know because even last year I was like really reaching for a topic that I knew about that was related to React. And I'm like, at this point, when this conference happens, it's gonna be like three years since I really like really like use React. I'm like, I can't keep giving talks at React when I'm just not a React user.
Adam:It's funny. You didn't end up you didn't wear your solid shirt, did you?
Dax:No. You know why? Because I have a I only have a solid sweatshirt, which I it's an awesome sweatshirt and I love it. But I'm not wearing a sweatshirt in Miami even for a second.
Adam:Yeah. Miami. That's that's too hot.
Dax:Yeah. A lot of people do sweatshirts with swag and I'm just like, I can never participate. I don't need sweatshirts.
Adam:It's because they're all it's the Silicon Valley bias. It's all these startups buying swag in Silicon Valley where you need a sweatshirt year round.
Dax:It's like, oh, it's it's it's so chilly. I need a sweatshirt. It's so chilly. That's like most people in tech.
Adam:It's like 65.
Dax:Yeah. I never I never experienced that at all. So
Adam:I like it's starting to get a little cooler here. Like, the humidity's kind of left, so the evenings are cool. I love it so much. I'm such a sucker for fall. It's all the stereotypes.
Adam:Yeah. The pumpkins and the mums and all that stuff. Yeah. Love it.
Dax:The, the weather right here right now is also I think it's what people people say is like the best weather of the year in Miami. So Liz was asking me, she was like, oh, like, you know, it's your first year, like how are you like, you know, can you like tell there's like different seasons and stuff? And I'm like, yeah, I guess technically, like, it was like a little too hot a month ago and now it's like good, but it's so subtle compared to where I used to live in the Northeast where it was like the colors you see are just completely different. Like, in the summer everything's green and like bright and then in the fall it's all like crazy colorful and kind of dull in the winter it's like all gray and white. Yeah.
Dax:You're just so subtle. There are seasons, but they're just, like, very, very subtle.
Adam:We the six months we lived in Naples was, like, the snowbird season. Like, we moved down in December and came back in, like, whatever it was, April, May, I don't remember. Man, it was perfect. But the weather there over the winter, I get it. I get the South Florida thing in the winter.
Adam:It's it's nice. We swam in February. It was great.
Dax:We're we're entering hurricane season right now. So that's like our weird time of the year. We had a
Adam:Oh, right.
Dax:We had a guy come to the house and he's like, he's the tree guy. He like manages all the trees and he was telling me a bunch of stuff. He like cut a bunch of trees, like the branches off them and they look like really not good right now. They look like they've been like butchered. And I was just like, like, is this gonna grow back?
Dax:And he's like, yeah, don't worry, like they grow back really fast and like, I did
Adam:this two years ago so whatever you saw, like that happened in two years.
Dax:He was telling me that it's crazy complicated. So certain trees, there's one called a sea grape, they have these really strong, big, sturdy leaves. And you would think, okay, big, sturdy, that's good for a hurricane. But it turns out they like retain a bunch of water and because they're strong, they kind of help pull the tree down during a hurricane. Oh, So those trees like if you don't manage them, they like just are completely complete total during hurricane.
Dax:So everyone's kind of like vaguely like prepping for for stuff.
Adam:I never thought about like pruning trees ahead of hurricanes.
Dax:Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, you gotta do like a lot, like that tree, it's called the sea grape. He's saying there's like not even that many left in in Miami because they are the first to go Wow. Hurricanes.
Dax:The tree that I have in the front right is this it's like this 80 year old tamarind tree and that survived all the hurricanes and everything over the years. So yeah, if you maintain them, they'll be fine.
Adam:I'm so glad I don't have to think about hurricanes. We just we have tornadoes.
Dax:Do you actually have tornadoes? Like, what does that mean? Like, do you, like, worry about it? Do you know people that have been, like, affected?
Adam:Well, Joplin is like an hour from me. They were completely wiped off the face of the earth, like, ten years ago. Oh, wow. I mean, that like, that it was a it was like a dual dual what are they called? Like a a tornado with two cones.
Dax:Spouts? Oh, cones.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. Whatever they're yeah. It was a dual, but it was an f five and it just completely destroyed Joplin. You can look it up.
Adam:Like, the city I I wanna say, like, half the buildings were destroyed. I mean, it was it was intense. And it kinda snuck up on them. Like, there was a graduation that day and there's all kinds of graduation. So yeah.
Adam:It was a mess. I mean, that's that's not that far from it. I know Oklahoma, Kansas, like, they get a lot of tornadoes too. I don't know if it feels like it has shifted the last, like, five years. I don't feel like we get as many tornado warnings.
Adam:And I do feel like the Southeast has had a lot of tornadoes in the last five years.
Dax:Like We we had a tornado here.
Adam:Something's changed. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. Like, Mississippi, Alabama, like, there's been a lot of kind of weird patterns with tornadoes that maybe that's a shift with climate stuff.
Adam:I don't know. But it does feel like the last five years we've had less of it. But, I mean, I've lived through a lot of, like, close we had a neighbor, had a tree laying on the roof. I mean, like, that's the closest call probably I've ever had to a tornado.
Dax:But When I was growing up, I was really scared of tornadoes because I don't know if you remember, there was just you know how like certain types of movies get popular? I feel like tornado movies were super in during
Adam:Oh, Twister.
Dax:Twister, yeah. Was a good And like that that show like, tornado chasers or something like that. There was those people that would like drive the trucks into the tornadoes Yeah, and the storm chasers. Yeah. So I was really scared of tornadoes and I was like terrified of them as a kid.
Dax:Is there anything you can do? Like, I I know you're supposed to go in the basement or something. Like, is there anything you can do if there's tornado approaching?
Adam:I mean, yeah, we always we are in the basement in a shower, like a bath tower a bath shower combo with, like, couch cushions over us.
Dax:Are you serious? Oh, that's
Adam:really scary. As kids. Yeah. Now thinking about it, that is kinda traumatic, but we it was just the thing we did. Like, when the tornado sirens were going off, you're in the tub with couch cushions on your head.
Adam:I don't know if that's a good idea. Now we have, like, a concrete like, a enclosed safe room. Like, it's fully enclosed concrete, but that's where we go if there's a real bad storm. Yeah. That's basically it.
Adam:That's basements. That's why, like, trailers are so dangerous in the Midwest.
Dax:They're flung around.
Adam:You don't wanna live on yeah. Something like that that can get tossed around. I mean, there's been, like like, SUV, like, wrapped around tree situations. Joplin, I saw an SUV wrapped around a big tree. I mean, that kind of stuff is crazy just to think that the wind I mean, the tornado is tossing large vehicles.
Adam:It's not good.
Dax:Yeah. That's really crazy. Like, the guy was also telling me that he was telling me about Hurricane Andrew, which was in 1992, and he was saying so remember I was telling you, like, a
Adam:week ago that I think I'm on, like, an area that doesn't flood
Dax:weirdly enough? So he was he was actually explaining it to me that there's actually this shelf that goes around kind of where I live and it's actually the highest point in South Florida. So the area that I'm in, like, just doesn't flood. But on the other side of the shelf
Adam:65 feet above sea level, highest point in all of Florida.
Dax:Yeah. But Mounts ducks. Yeah. If you're if you're in South Florida and it's flooding, come to my house, I'll save you. He was saying that the other side of the shelf, there were boats that were dropped three miles inland and then the the waters receded.
Dax:People just had like yachts, sailboats just dropping their front yard.
Adam:And I mean the house was like covered in
Dax:mud also but yeah, there was just all these stranded Yeah. Stranded boats. And like this is so much work to clean up. Sometimes I like spill stuff Oh, on the ground in my kitchen and I'm just like, this is
Adam:like so annoying. Gotta clean
Dax:all this up. And I'll imagine like spilling stuff across the whole city and you're cleaning up every little thing. Like, that's so much work.
Adam:Oh, no kidding. How do you yeah. How does somebody move a yacht that's like sitting in a lawn? That sounds
Dax:I guess like how the cranes come in and I don't even know. Yeah. It's some crazy damage. Jeez. It's also it's also amazing how there's no sign of this at all.
Dax:There's like no, like the Yeah. The area
Adam:It all gets picked up. The area
Dax:I was in was not flooded but the wind was so crazy that all the trees got stripped and a bunch of them were destroyed. But I have my perception of where I live is like just crazy amounts of dense trees and everything is like thriving and everything. But it all got reset twenty years ago, but it's back now.
Adam:Yeah. Humans are pretty capable of recovery.
Dax:Cleaning stuff up.
Adam:Our bodies individually and then also just collectively in these disasters. I watched a movie last night. This is totally unrelated. But have you watched a movie in a while? Are movies good?
Adam:I think movies are bad now.
Dax:Okay. First of all, I watch movies all the time. You know, I like just consume a crazy amount of stuff. Two
Adam:Do you?
Dax:You see, watch a movie. I think you never watch movies. This is like a
Adam:I don't. And my wife and I decided last night to watch a movie. Yes. And it was it was just a giant waste of time.
Dax:What was it?
Adam:Like an hour in, she was on her phone. I don't even know what it called. It was a it was a Netflix movie. It was like what's the girl? She was on The Office, I think.
Adam:Unbreakable. Kimmy Schmidt. Kimmy Schmidt. Okay. Yeah.
Adam:What's her name? What's her name?
Dax:Erin Sumterra.
Adam:She was in it. They went, like, hiking. I don't know. Okay. It was just like I
Dax:don't know. You you watch a movie like once a year and you just chose some random Netflix movie. So he okay. Here's the thing from my point of view. I've seen a lot of movies.
Dax:So when I wanna watch a movie, it's a struggle because like there's not all the stuff that's really good I've seen. You on the other hand, you haven't seen anything. So you have you you have this gift I haven't seen any of them.
Adam:Have this gift where there's just
Dax:like thousands of incredible films for you to watch and then you choose
Adam:a random Thousands of incredible films, are they on Netflix? Because we just opened up Netflix and we're like, let's find something. Do you have like a list
Dax:that you're waiting to watch movie?
Adam:You just
Dax:go to the list? And I'll give you a recommendation.
Adam:If have
Dax:a personal recommendation for the mood that you're in, I will find you something that is on Netflix. Oh, the
Adam:mood that we're generally, the mood that we're in is, oh my god, why is life so hard? So if you could find us a good movie for that where we don't get on our phones an hour in, that'd great.
Dax:Oppenheimer, give you some perspective on on your little worries.
Adam:Now that that's a theater. We can't we have to go into a theater for that. Right?
Dax:Yeah. And eventually you want.
Adam:Do movies make it onto Netflix? Is that a place to watch good movies?
Dax:Well, trash is here in the audience. Can probably tell you.
Adam:Yeah. Trash. Did the did the good movies end up on Netflix or is it just for Netflix movies?
Dax:Okay. For someone like you that hasn't seen a lot, there's enough stuff there's enough good stuff on Netflix that you don't have to worry about that yet.
Adam:I'll well, I'll just I'll wait for your word. You tell us what's worth watching. But I'm not convinced that, like, long form video content isn't on the way out. It just felt like an ancient relic trying to watch a movie.
Dax:I think your attention span has been eroded to nothing.
Adam:Is that what it is? Am I projecting that on everybody? Is this not not everybody's attention span?
Dax:I think it's what you're describing is extremely common. So there was this really funny clip of, so Oppenheimer came out and I think any reasonable person will agree it's like an incredible film. But there's this clip of Logan Paul being like, yeah, I walked out twenty minutes in and like it was just boring, it was just people talking. And then someone made a clip of you know how on TikTok they like show you two things at once, they show you like the subway surfer? Have you seen this?
Adam:Oh yeah.
Dax:Because people can't focus on so someone someone made a clip of Oppenheimer about Oh, that
Adam:Minecraft stuff.
Dax:Like the Minecraft things on the side so that when people get bored they can look at that because that yeah. I think people's attention spans are eroding. I don't think it's just you but I think I don't know. To me, I find it crazy. Like I'm like, these movies, some of these movies are so engaging where I just cannot believe how fast the time flew because they're so good.
Dax:Really? And it's so deeply impactful on me.
Adam:You say
Dax:you used to feel that way? Yeah.
Adam:Well, I didn't feel that way. I don't know if I was ever deeply impacted. Okay. Robot over here. Look, I
Dax:I I feel like if you watch the right movie, you can have the, like the experience that I'm describing. I don't think it's on its way out.
Adam:Okay. If it is Okay.
Dax:That's kind of crazy. That would be my first experience of like being extremely out of touch and being like, oh, remember the good old days when we had movies? Like, would be really crazy to me.
Adam:What what's weird to me, like, I don't feel like I am consuming the things that would probably drive attention spans down. Like, I'm not on TikTok.
Dax:That's true.
Adam:I don't I don't watch, like, a lot of short form video stuff. I don't consume media much. But why am I I guess I'm on Twitter. Would Twitter erode my attention span?
Dax:To some degree, I think. But but you're right. Like, you're not someone that is exposing themselves that much to that stuff. So yeah. I don't know.
Dax:I just think you picked a bad movie. No. I think it's it's it's that simple.
Adam:We probably did. It was just pretty dumb.
Dax:Yeah. Okay. I I do notice though my brother, like the bar for the movie has to be higher for him to be like really engaged with it. Like otherwise, he'd be on his phone. Liz's sister kind of a similar situation.
Dax:But something is going on, but man, movies are on their way out, I'm gonna be sad. I love movies.
Adam:Maybe just bad movies. Maybe there'll just be fewer good movies, like fewer really quality movies that'll stick around.
Dax:I want more really good movies. Good documentary.
Adam:I can remember can remember watching, like, documentaries and being on the edge of my seat.
Dax:Doc Oh, interesting. Oh, like, you mean like those, like
Adam:Like, when there's information to be gleaned.
Dax:It's because you're just a tech bro that's trying to, like, optimize every moment
Adam:of your life. I can't spend time wasting my time Wasting. Learning or watching some fiction story. It's gotta be raw information that's upgrading my life.
Dax:So how are you how are you are you coming to terms with your new identity as a tech bro?
Adam:I you know, it sucks so hard because I realize it actually is true. Like, I just actually am this person. And it's then I started, like, kind of doing half satire tweets, and I'm like, actually, I believe half this stuff.
Dax:So what am I doing?
Adam:Like, I'm making fun of myself. Like like, I just listened to Huberman, and, like, I'm making a joke about all of us tech bros listening to Huberman. It's like, wait a minute. What what is going on? I actually am the person who needs stop making fun of this person.
Adam:I don't wanna be that Like, I feel like I view those people negatively. Why would I be that person and view them negatively? I don't understand that.
Dax:Because you guys suck. That's why.
Adam:I guess. I guess so. At least I'm self aware. I'm a self aware tech bro.
Dax:Maybe.
Adam:I don't even like tech bros. I don't even like myself. So it's okay if you don't like me.
Dax:We were taught me and Liz were talking about it yesterday about your tweet yesterday and she explained to me why she found it annoying. She was like, we literally don't have anything anymore. We can't eat bad food. We can't
Adam:not exercise. We have to do everything. Like, we have nothing good in our life anymore. The coffee is the last thing we have and then Adam is trying to take it away take
Dax:it away from
Adam:me. But you don't drink coffee. No. Don't. Liz just drink coffee.
Dax:She she loves she has, like, whole rituals and habits around coffee. It's like
Adam:Yeah. Big for her. And the what sucks is, like, I actually I totally empathize with that. I loved coffee. I would still drink it if Casey weren't so opposed.
Adam:She just doesn't like the smell and the smell on me and all of the side effects.
Dax:I love the smell. I hate the taste, but I love the smell.
Adam:Yeah. And maybe she wouldn't mind the smell of it roasting. It's the smell of it, like, on my breath or just like me smelling like a pot of coffee all the time. She didn't like that part of it. And she just doesn't like, like, anything that has a hold of you, like, that you're addicted to that you have to have or you just feel like a worthless human being.
Adam:So I would totally be a coffee drinker and I understand coffee drinkers. I didn't ever mean to be like, you're wrong. I guess I did say you're doing wrong. Yeah. There's no defense.
Adam:I
Dax:Sorry, go ahead.
Adam:I just wanted to share a good thing with the world, you know? Like, here's an alternative.
Dax:No, you wanted to hurt the world.
Adam:For those who can't drink
Dax:coffee I with the wanted to hurt the world.
Adam:I wanna watch the world.
Dax:So here's a funny thing. I was talking to Alan and I think your claim might actually be like not necessarily true. You're claiming the thread.
Adam:Oh, really?
Dax:Because, obviously when you don't
Adam:drink coffee and you and then you drink coffee,
Dax:like randomly, you feel the effects a lot. It's like very observable, you feel the effects. Yeah. But it's the research is not clear. No one's been able to prove that even if you drink it every day and you don't feel the effects, you might still be getting the same benefit.
Dax:It's just not observable. So it's like unclear whether like Oh. Taking a break and then using it sparingly actually has any positive effect you get from it.
Adam:You might be just you could
Dax:just drink it every day
Adam:and you might still be getting it. Like, it's it's not very clear. Okay. So two things. First, I don't really believe in papers or science.
Adam:So I don't know. I'm gonna take all that with a grain of salt. But two, that was a joke because that's what you say. Two, I you're so you're saying people who drink it every day are also getting that same high. They just get it every day?
Dax:No. No. Sorry. You you you might not feel it every okay. Let's say okay.
Dax:Let's say you can that's completely made up. But let's say you do some tasks that can be measured. You do it without coffee, you do it with coffee. And let's say with coffee, you could do it 20% better. It's not clear that using coffee every single day doesn't make you doesn't just make you 20% better every
Adam:single day even if you can't really feel the coffee affecting you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the like, what I'm saying is that if you drink it every day, you lose that benefit.
Adam:Yeah. Like, you're now just, like, dependent on it. It's like you go from having the plus 20% days to every day is minus 20% until you have coffee. That's my view of it from the outside now. That's how I felt that, like, I was I was losing the ability to have this, like, high on caffeine and it was just I needed caffeine.
Adam:But you're saying that's not proven.
Dax:It's possible that you could just have
Adam:it every day if you just drink it every day.
Dax:Yeah. So Liz is listening right now and she's messaging me being like, you're wrong. She's telling me that I'm wrong because, she could she listened to this thing from Michael Pollan about coffee. I I do remember she did this where,
Adam:Oh, I listened to that too. I listened to Michael Pollan's is it a book about coffee? I I listened to the whole thing. Yeah.
Dax:Yeah. Think I think it's like a thing he did. I'm
Adam:It was a short Yeah. It was on Audible. Yeah. Yeah. I listened to
Dax:it. Yeah. I think I think
Adam:Big Michael Pollan joke.
Dax:I think she's saying in his experience,
Adam:he thought I actually don't know what the point she's making. I don't know.
Dax:She's just messing with me saying that I'm wrong. That's all That's all.
Adam:I I remember now. I I think he did talk about this. And I gotta say to Liz because I tried to tell this to my wife, she did not appreciate it. But I love the ending where he like all the whole book is like, maybe shouldn't do caffeine and then he goes and gets the coffee. I love it so much.
Dax:Was Well, that's the thing. He was like, here's everything but I just freaking like it, so I'm gonna keep doing it. That's what
Adam:I'm still gonna drink coffee. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was good. I enjoyed it.
Adam:I told that story to my wife and this was like, she knew I wanted to still drink coffee. And she's like, you would read a book just to, like, justify your drinking coffee. The ultimate sin of drinking coffee. It's terrible. Can't believe everyone does it for thousands of years.
Adam:Terrible Thousands of years? Okay. Had I spent a long time. Everybody always talks about that. Like, coffee and tea have been around forever, so it's good for you.
Dax:There you go.
Adam:I gotta go workout. Speaking of good for you, I I took pre workout like an hour and a half ago. I'm such a tech bro. I took pre workout. I'm such a tech bro.
Adam:I'm I don't wanna be
Dax:a tech something stupid yesterday at the gym. So I like I was like, now that I'm, like, feeling better off my knee, I started working out again. So I'm, like, trying to
Adam:ease I
Dax:was trying to ease back into the deadlift. So Uh-huh. I racked the weights and I was like, okay, I'm gonna do less than I was doing before so I don't like hurt myself again. And then I I I did my set and I was like, that was the hardest it's ever been. I like really atrophied in those three weeks that I took that break and I
Adam:was feeling really bad. Then I look at
Dax:the weights and somehow I don't know how I did this. I misread 20 kilograms as 20 pounds. So I I accidentally fracked like 40 pounds more than I normally normally do and and I did it. So that was cool.
Adam:Your knee is better than ever.
Dax:Yeah. So I was like, great, I can do it.
Adam:Just need a little It
Dax:felt it was I I need to go down a little bit in weight. Like it was it was it was really hard. But I was literally like, I am like so weak. I can't even
Adam:lift this little amount of weight. Yeah. That's awesome. I've been doing the backward walking stuff, the knees over toes guy.
Dax:Yeah. Me too.
Adam:Like, I I put on the ruck because I've been going just for rucks. I put on the ruck and I've got, like, my sun hat on and I'm walking backwards up the hill. And I'm doing Duolingo at the same time. And I just know my neighbors think I'm the biggest asshole in the whole world. Like, maybe
Dax:I am. I gotta I gotta clip that and send it to that guy that was ranting about you.
Adam:What? Oh, the northern The guy that
Dax:was like, this tech bro. Yeah. Imagine hearing about you walking backwards. Not walking. You're all rucking because you're carrying weights.
Adam:Rucking. Yeah. I've got the weight on my I've the sunglasses and this giant, like, you know, like the giant hats that keep the sun off your neck?
Dax:Of course. This Florida.
Adam:Know Got one of those on.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. But you don't have to worry about sun, remember?
Adam:You can't sunburn. So you probably Now, never worn I am kinda worried after that visit. Do you use your phone when you go for a walk? Like, are you just looking at your phone while you're on a walk?
Dax:I'm usually walking Zuko which makes it a little bit more challenging because it's like a more active thing than just walking. And I'm I'm usually walking with Liz so that'd be weird if was
Adam:on my phone. Oh, okay. So I walk I walk alone and I try to do stuff on my phone while I'm walking because otherwise, it's very hard to spend an hour With your own thoughts? Walking around doing nothing else. Yeah.
Adam:Well, I always listen to something. I don't I don't have my headphones.
Dax:I don't even take headphones out
Adam:ever. I
Dax:don't have don't really have headphones.
Adam:You just always have them on?
Dax:No. No. I'm not gonna say, I don't like when I leave the house, I don't wear headphones ever. I just I just Oh, don't ever? Yeah.
Dax:People found this weird because especially when I living in New York, it's just not something that people do. And when everyone goes out in the subway, whatever, they have I something in their just never picked up that habit. So I don't know.
Adam:Every time, if I have to go to the grocery store, if I have to go anywhere for an errand or something, I'm always listening to something. And now it just occurred to me, I'm that guy from, like, fifteen years ago with the big, like, jawbone, like Bluetooth headset on walking around the store. Oh, no. It's a little better because it's an AirPod and it's just kinda in your ear. But I'm that guy who's like, I'm too busy to just
Dax:like But that's everyone now.
Adam:I guess, yeah. Maybe not here. In the Ozarks, I don't see a lot of people listening to something at the grocery store.
Dax:Have you tried not doing that? Because I just think about, like, work. I like
Adam:I guess I could try.
Dax:Work in my head as much as I can. I think about random stuff.
Adam:Yeah. I guess
Dax:I do
Adam:that sometimes. Sometimes I go for a walk without anything. I'm working through a problem, it's kind of like an extension of work.
Dax:Yeah. Exactly.
Adam:I should try it. Maybe I do have thoughts and I just haven't
Dax:tried do have thoughts. You could
Adam:have maybe maybe this is
Dax:stopping you from having just the most brilliant thoughts ever.
Adam:Maybe this is why my attention span. Yeah. I'm gonna have tons of brilliant thoughts now. Just I don't listen to stuff.
Dax:Well, You just need to give space for your mind to think, you know, on its own.
Adam:I don't know. I think it's the opposite. I think when I listen to, like, a lot of the books I listen to, that expands me into all kinds of things that I just wouldn't have thought of otherwise. So like it's the only way I get any outside influence.
Dax:Well, you're using books wrong. Here's my thread on how to use books right.
Adam:Oh, boy. I'm gonna jot that one down. Lean into the tech bro.
Dax:I want you to go more extreme Cause I feel like there's like so much untapped humor here.
Adam:Oh, there is. But the at the end of the day, I don't know how funny it is if, like, this all came out of me writing a serious post that was basically just as bad as anything I would make a joke about.
Dax:Yeah. You're naturally a joke.
Adam:You know what I mean? Okay. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, is it funny if I keep exaggerating and like try to make even worse ones when like the first one was arguably just as bad and it was real?
Adam:I don't know.
Dax:The the amount you're thinking about this is also funny. Like, this is also part of the humor.
Adam:Okay. I'm done. I'm not I'm not gonna lean into it anymore. I'm gonna counter. Whatever you want me to do, I'm gonna do the opposite.
Adam:If you want me to do it more, I'm gonna stop. Okay. I think that's my best move. But I will take your movie recommendations. If wanna send Yeah.
Adam:Those over, that'd be
Dax:And don't be if you watch and you hate it, it's fine. I'm not gonna feel bad. I just I just wanna go I I I just want a shot. I want a shot at at entertaining you.
Adam:Okay. I like it. Yeah. I like you taking your shots. Alright.
Adam:I gotta pee and workout. Enjoy. We'll see you next time. See you.
