Health Insurance, Astro v3, and Adam Becomes a Tech Bro
Mean, I get choked, like, every day.
Dax:So now explain why you sound like you're dying.
Adam:Because I am dying, Dax. No. I lost my voice. I got choked and I didn't tap quick enough. I mean, I get choked, like, every day.
Adam:I mean, that's just part of jujitsu is like, you're getting choked. But this time, it was kind of a sneaky Ezekiel choke. I didn't realize, how good he had it. He's a brown belt. His name's Lane.
Adam:Thanks, Lane, for the choke. He just it got in there real good and I didn't tap quick enough. And I think it I don't know if it damaged my my vocal cords or my larynx. I don't know what's in there. My esophagus, something.
Dax:Does it hurt?
Adam:Is damaged. Did it hurt? Yeah. It hurts really bad to swallow. Yeah.
Dax:Oh, it's oh, damn.
Adam:Yeah. It feels like when you get sick. I mean, it feels like like a cold, like a real big knot in your throat. But I I'm not sick. I have no other symptoms.
Adam:It's just I got choked.
Dax:Is this something that happens often in jujitsu?
Adam:You know, I don't know. I I was telling I was talking to my coach this morning. It's gotten progressively worse, like, the last three days. This actually happened on, like, Friday. Oh, it's been a couple days.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. And it just the next morning was like, oh, wow. I my voice is actually going. Immediately after, it was like, not in the throat.
Adam:It hurt. But it was, the next day that it was kinda gone, and then it's just gotten progressively worse. And I was telling coach today, oh, man. I I'm not sick. I just this is from getting choked.
Adam:And he's like, oh, yeah. Yeah. That happens. So I don't know. I guess I guess it's semi normal.
Adam:It sucks.
Dax:Are you gonna see a doctor eventually if it doesn't get better?
Adam:Oh, I assume it's gonna get better. What do you mean if it doesn't it's not gonna get better?
Dax:No. I mean, I'm just saying, you said it's gotten worse over three days. So for me, the way with injuries, it's always like, I give it a little bit of time and if I see any improvement, I'm like, okay, it's fine,
Adam:I don't have to go to
Dax:the doctor. But I and mentally, I'm like, okay, if this is if this doesn't feel better after x number of days, I probably need to go.
Adam:Yeah. There hasn't been a day where it's gotten better yet. It's only gotten worse.
Dax:I mean, at some point you get worried, right? Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, that point is now. I'm I'm worried now.
Dax:What what was Casey's reaction to your voice?
Adam:She seems pretty fine with it. I mean, she doesn't seem too concerned. Just like, oh, yeah. You got choked? Cool.
Adam:Okay. It's pretty normal at this point. She's just she's so used to me, like, coming home every every day and just being like, ugh, I can't move my arm or my shoulder is ripped out or, like, something hurts so bad every day that the voice is like, oh, it's in so bad. Just my voice.
Dax:It's crazy. You just sound like a different person. I even remember what your normal voice
Adam:sounds It sounds it sounds awful. And I'm recording a podcast, which is kinda stupid. Is my bar moving? Is it actually recording?
Dax:No. I think it filters out ugly voices.
Adam:It is is moving. It doesn't move on my end anymore, so I don't even know.
Dax:Yeah. I mean,
Adam:I can hear you. Oh, I do. I sound totally different. Do I sound kind of more like a radio voice? Hey, everybody.
Adam:This is how to go more. When you do that, yeah, I guess.
Dax:That graveliness is something that I would like. So Liz's dad, has this really great, like like, jiu Yeah. Maybe we talked about it already, but it's the freaking cigars. And I'm like, I don't wanna smoke cigars, but
Adam:Well, yeah. No. That's that's bad for your health. But you could just do jiu jitsu. I can show you.
Adam:We'll just put on the gear. I'll just you the joke. I can give you some gravel real quick.
Dax:I wonder if people are listening to this episode for the first time, and you opened it just by saying, I got choked. I got choked. I get choked every day. And then it took you a while to stage it just Yeah.
Adam:That's a good point. They thought I was just in my sense. This. Like, weird, kinky stuff. Yeah.
Adam:And they just think this is what my voice sounds like. I don't know. This is not my voice is not very low. I have a pretty high voice, So this is different. Man, it really hurts to swallow though.
Adam:That is concerning. I'm a little concerned.
Dax:Yeah. I mean, give it, like, to the end of
Adam:the week, maybe, or a couple more days and Okay.
Dax:Watch the doctor doesn't get better.
Adam:We'll see.
Dax:Yeah. Because I feel like most things that aren't a big deal start to feel better within a week.
Adam:Okay. So I've still got a few days.
Dax:Made up made up heuristic by me.
Adam:Yeah. But it works for me. Thank you, doctor Dax.
Dax:And I haven't been to the doctor in, like, twelve years. So
Adam:Yeah. I was thinking about that. Did I tell you that I I dropped my health insurance?
Dax:I heard you saying that. Yeah.
Adam:And then it just occurred to me, like, two days ago. I was like, I got into jujitsu right after I dropped my health insurance. That was really stupid. Like, I'm gonna get some kind of injury and need, like, some weird surgery. And I don't even have health insurance.
Adam:Stupid. I just health insurance is just a racket. It's just such a joke.
Dax:I don't know if we've talked about this before, but it's pretty simple. If you are, like, decently young and decently healthy, you just do and this what probably you were doing before, you pay for the disaster insurance which just progressively has gotten more expensive. Like, for the past couple years, I'm paying double what I used to. Basically, it means you pay for everything yourself unless there's something crazy that's over Yeah. $10,000, then they have you covered.
Dax:That's only for emergencies.
Adam:Even here in the Ozarks, we've got the self pay doctors like that are like oriented toward it. Sorry, go ahead.
Dax:Yeah. So that that's a big thing that's happening now where I think a lot of people are in this situation where there's like, I'm just paying for disaster insurance, I'm gonna be paying out of pocket. I'm like comfortable with that. I expect to do that when I go to the doctor. So now there's all these doctors that are coming up and all these services coming up around
Adam:the self paid model, which I
Dax:just think is is better overall because the doctor's office themselves, they know how much they're gonna make when they call you in. They're not like calling insurance a month later and the insurance company makes it extremely difficult for doctors to collect, obviously, because they're incentivized. It's just like a stupid broken system but
Adam:This is like, they all every doctor's office has this giant room just full of people that are just, like, on the phone with insurance people all day. It's just a mess.
Dax:And they have no idea how much they're gonna make. They have no idea how much they should charge and then it just trickles down to all these food places. So, yeah, I'm just hoping a lot more places are just like self pay standard. And and Boomi is actually oriented towards that because we serve we specifically don't do insurance, like we don't bother Yeah. Doing any insurance stuff.
Dax:We haven't put any effort into insurance stuff because we're hoping that the pool of doctors that are just like, screw it, I'm not taking insurance just continues to grow.
Adam:It just grows. I bet it does.
Dax:Yeah. And I think that actually fixes everything roughly. Like, hospital is still a problem but yeah, if there's more doctors doing that, the price transparency comes out. Like everything just gets fixed. Insurance kind of gets pushed out of the way.
Adam:Yeah. It gets more competitive, I guess, like
Dax:And it gets cheaper. The prices aren't crazy. Like you expect them to be like insane but, as this stuff has gone become more populated, the prices have actually come down while insurance just keeps getting more expensive. I heard something I I keep meaning to look into this because I also like yeah, the amount we're paying for health insurance just I'm just not happy about it. Someone mentioned something called a health share.
Dax:And they're like, dropped my health insurance and I switched to a health share.
Adam:Like a time share? Sounds like a I get good health for two weeks out of the year. Which is kinda all
Dax:I need to be honest. It's I haven't looked up exactly what it is but I find it very confusing because it just sounds like insurance. Like, they're like, a group of people have gotten together and formed a health share and we agreed to share
Adam:Yeah, that's what insurance is. I'm like, that's
Dax:what insurance is except Yeah. It's Insurance is so weird because in some ways, it's like, some of the it's like if you you look at it in a certain way where it's the most like altruistic thing that society has come up with. We collectively all agree to give up some resources so that people hurt the most can get taken care of. It's like really cool that exists. It's a cool concept and it makes sense like like from a social perspective, from a mathematic You're like
Adam:sharing risk. Right? Like
Dax:Exactly.
Adam:You're kind of all collectively diluting down your risk.
Dax:Assuming the risk is infrequent enough for it to make sense mathematically. And I'm generally really in favor of business and, like, privatizing things in general. But this category, I'm like, I don't know if it really makes sense to have businesses built on top of this concept because it seems Yeah. It just seems like something else. And as soon as a business gets involved, like, one of the best ways to increase their revenues to make claims harder to claim, like, that just it just happens.
Adam:Yeah. The incentives seem yeah. So oh, I mean, a lot of countries do have, like, they've made health care public. Right? They've taken it into the government
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:Sphere.
Dax:Yeah. And there's problems with that too and I think our country is, like, pretty different. Like, we actually spend we spend a lot of money on health care, like, than most people. So I don't think just making our like, if you include, like, publicly funded stuff, privately funded stuff, the amount we pay spend per person, it's like twice as high as the second highest. That's like a made up stat, but it's like a crazy order of magnitude difference.
Adam:And why? Do you know why that is?
Dax:It's it's a competition issue. Like, we have we've had some, like, weird history with with hospitals in America where we had this, like, inverse policy. A lot of states most states actually have probably still have some formulas around where if you wanted to open a new hospital, you had to prove that you were not competing with an existing hospital in your area.
Adam:What? Like
Dax:you have to like show that you weren't taking away. I I forgot the rationale for it. It's just like some stupid like government, like, I'm gonna design the perfect
Adam:Yeah, yeah.
Dax:World. Like, I'm gonna make this rollout's gonna result in a perfect outcome but it like backfired, like everything like that backfires. So that just set up for like crazy consolidation of like, of hospitals. So not enough hospitals are around. The ones that are around merged each other.
Dax:It's kind of these giant hospital groups now. So we spend way too much.
Adam:So it's not that we get it's not that we get sicker than other people. It's that our price you're saying just the prices are higher here
Dax:for the same like the there's there's like some factor from like our obesity stuff in America. But I think the point I'm making is if you just take our system and just say, okay, we're now gonna publicly fund the whole thing, you probably end up you're still spending like way too much per person because you never fixed the underlying Yeah. Like ecosystem of of stuff. So yeah, it's it's like this multifaceted problem like like all things are but yeah, like it's the insurance thing is just annoying. As soon as like you're paying with someone else's money, it's like all these stupid things start to come into play.
Adam:Yeah. It's a mess. And then just state by state, the different legislation and Yeah. I I've worked I've worked, like, on the software side for the insurance industry, like, did some stuff for WellPoint and Anthem, all that, whatever. It's a mess.
Adam:Just their workflows, like, individual employees within that ecosystem. It's just a lot a lot of red tape, a lot of a lot of paper and forms.
Dax:Again, it's like a it's a weird incentive where in every other industry, you're like, we have a business process. The more efficient we can make the process, the better it is for our company. But in insurance, it's like reversed. Like, the more complicated we can make the process, the more money you make because there's fewer claims that make it through. So
Adam:Yeah. Yeah.
Dax:It just doesn't work.
Adam:It's a mess. Can I shift gears? Yeah. Does it sound like I'm gonna start singing or something when I No. Okay.
Adam:Okay. Here's the thing.
Dax:You sound like deathly ill. Like, you sound like you're clinging on to life. So nothing nothing exciting like singing is expected.
Adam:That's funny. So, someone called me a tech bro. And I I realized I have a problem with this idea of tech bros. I for one, I just don't think I'm a tech bro. I think I know what people mean when they say, look at this tech bro.
Adam:Like, I know what the perception of tech bros is. I don't I don't think it has anything to do with technology.
Dax:Like No. It doesn't.
Adam:It has nothing to do. It's just a lot of people, a lot of technology people have made their money or they're doing pretty well. They're comfortable. Comfortable enough that they can think about things in their daily life that suck and that they wanna make better. So anybody who, like, tries to do things better is a tech bro.
Adam:And that's just stupid. Go
Dax:ahead. Let me so I don't know who called you, but I'm gonna take a guess. Alright?
Adam:Okay.
Dax:You posted that tweet about Yeah
Adam:yeah yeah.
Dax:And someone must have replied to you being like, look at this tech bro.
Adam:Yeah, bunch of them. Bunch of anonymous people. Okay. But I don't know.
Dax:I'm gonna tell you why they said that and I'm gonna tell you why it's maybe a little fair.
Adam:Oh, oh, no. Did I say a tech pro thing? Oh, man.
Dax:The thing you posted was you posted something about, like, if you drink coffee every day, you, like, lose the ability to, like, use it as a tool where, like, you can take it on certain days when you need get a lot of work.
Adam:Not just coffee. Like caffeine in general.
Dax:Just caffeine in general. Yeah. Yeah. The underlying thing here is you've thought really hard about something.
Adam:Perhaps too hard. Perhaps it wasn't And worth thinking
Dax:you've kinda taken something that and the question is, is everything in life worth thinking that hard about? That that's really all that people react. Whether they know they're reacting to that or like, they might just be annoyed and like not really thinking too hard about it, but the fundamental thing that I think is fair is, I get why people would see that and they're just like, fuck you, Adam. Like And they just call you a name.
Adam:Yeah. I I wasn't trying to say like you're a bad person if you drink coffee. I feel like there's this gift that I've discovered and I wanna share it with other people. Like, I used to drink coffee every day and you just you're you never get that high anymore. Like, once you drink coffee every day, you lose that forever.
Adam:You'll never have that, like, special day again.
Dax:Yeah. I know.
Adam:And people are like, just drink more. I don't know. It's a losing battle. My dad drinks like 15 cups of coffee a day. Yeah.
Adam:No. The You the more
Dax:know, there's there's like this feeling of life is kinda like this unstructured, like, amorphous thing and
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:People like that. Like, parts of it should stay
Adam:that way. Okay. And
Dax:then when you structure it in that way, it's like
Adam:Okay. So what am I allowed to think hard about? Could you please tell me?
Dax:Can do whatever you want.
Adam:No. No. I need to know. On behalf of all the Twitter anonymous people, could you please let me know? What am I allowed to think hard about and not be a tech bro?
Dax:Nothing. There's nothing Nothing.
Adam:I just gotta glide through life and go to my nine to five, sit on the couch when I get home and watch TV.
Dax:No. But I mean, here's the thing. Like, you can you can either not offend anyone in the whole world or you can do something. Right? Like that's Yeah.
Dax:You you can't think about anything because people are gonna feel like you're ruining something.
Adam:So do you think tech bro You you agreed that tech bro is a dumb term. Could you kind of share what you think about it?
Dax:I think I think it's an I don't think it's dumb. I think maybe people get called it unfairly but if you look at what's the most fair way to use that term, I get what they're talking about. They're talking about people that like obsess over like these little parts of their life like when they go to sleep, when they wake up, when they like, how do they spend their time doing this? Like what books are they reading? Like just kind of doing all those like, ultimately superficial things.
Dax:Like a lot of those things are superficial. They're like a way to feel like you are controlling something and you're improving but you're just doing the same thing that literally everybody else in in your bubble is doing. Yeah. And like, it's kinda it is like a very superficial exercise. I think it's like that spectrum.
Dax:There's some people that just aren't doing anything with their life and just criticizing anyone that's doing something. So that person should not even be saying anything. Then there's people that I think have passed that phase in their life and they're kind of looking back on it being like, okay, I remember when I was like, I went too far with that stuff and they're calling you a tech bro or someone a tech bro for that reason. So, yeah, I don't wanna do a tech but let's be honest, like that what I just described, that persona does show up in tech a lot.
Adam:Yeah. And I think it's because I just think it's like the further you get away from survival, the more your needs are met, the more you look into how could I make my days better. I don't know. Is that so bad?
Dax:Yeah. But I think that it's not bad. But like if you step back and look at the person, you're like, are they happy as a result of that? And usually they're not. It's like I said, it's a lot of it tends to be superficial or like, it's like acting.
Dax:It's acting, it's like an identity thing, like I'm I do these things. Again
Adam:Okay.
Dax:Not saying just because you said that one thing
Adam:about caffeine puts you in this category, but,
Dax:I get what they're
Adam:No. I I hear you. Yeah.
Dax:What they're referring I
Adam:guess, like, I I do obsess over some of this stuff because I'm 37. I'm trying to get into an active sport, and I want I wanna I wanna do anything I can to help feel better each day. And I do think these things have helped me. So does it all come from Huberman? Yes.
Adam:Does that make me a tech pro? I don't know.
Dax:You snuck that in there.
Adam:I I just I I do feel like, yeah, everyone who listens to this podcast is annoying, and we all talk about getting in, you know, chest freezers and whatever. But, like, if it works, I I guess, like I don't know. I I'm not trying to push anything on anybody. It's more just like No.
Dax:I know you're not.
Adam:Hey. This works for me.
Dax:But your mere existence is annoying.
Adam:When I think Tech Bro, I think of, like, the Silicon Valley stereotypical founder. Like, the kind of meme I mean, Silicon Valley the show, like, the meme of a founder. But, like, someone who's just super into, like, life optimization, I just don't think I was either tech. I don't know. If you're gonna make fun of me, at least be accurate.
Dax:What's a better word then to call you? Because I think I think you're right that it's not literally true, but, you know
Adam:It just has nothing to do with my tech background. I feel like the things that people are seeing in me and and pointing out or poking at have more to do with, I don't know, my age, my social status, my listening habits.
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. It has nothing to do with literally tech. I know that. But it's just an arbitrary word.
Dax:They could they could
Adam:call I know. You I'm hung up on it.
Dax:Goober man. Like, it's just like,
Adam:they can
Dax:really call you anything. Like, what? The point is, like, we know what they're talking about, you know?
Adam:Yeah. Okay. Fine.
Dax:I feel like I have an even more annoying take that,
Adam:Oh, I wanna hear your really annoying take, please. So I can It's I don't
Dax:need caffeine ever. You guys are all losers that need caffeine. Like, what is wrong with all of with that?
Adam:I can go months without it. I don't need it.
Dax:Yeah. But you need it for your special days. Need it.
Adam:You need it. I like it on my special days. It creates a when was the last time you had caffeine? Because maybe you don't remember.
Dax:But, like, it's just like I don't need to do any of these things and somehow my life is great.
Adam:I'm not saying you need to. No. I know. I'm When when was the last time you had caffeine? Have you not had it in a long, long time?
Dax:I think I had it, like, maybe two months ago. I feel like I had something.
Adam:The amount of, like, mental clarity and just, like, hyper focus. Because I I've I've got pretty good
Dax:It has no effect on me because I'm like that every single day, Adam.
Adam:Oh. Oh, I see.
Dax:Every single minute I'm always I am just firing
Adam:Okay. On someone's Well, there you go. What can I say? If I
Dax:tweeted something along that category Oh,
Adam:please do.
Dax:I think it would have surpassed me.
Adam:It would have surpassed whatever happened to you.
Dax:My question is, you literally haven't been on Twitter.
Adam:I haven't. And you used to be vague
Dax:to just post this, like, missile targeted at the heart of everyone's, like, insecurities and annoyances.
Adam:What it's just how you write. That's just how you write on Twitter. But the heart of it was I had a dream. Not a dream. But I was like Martin Luther King.
Adam:Was up every night. Okay. Listen. Every night, I've had a hard time. At like 3AM, I've been waking up, and I can't seem to fall asleep.
Adam:And there's like this forty five minute window where I'm just trying to fall asleep, but my mind's really active. That's been for like a week. And this particular night, the thing on my mind was, why does everybody drink caffeine all day? Everybody's just like, gotta have my oh, I haven't had my coffee yet. Don't talk to me.
Adam:Like, that whole trope. And it's so dumb. Like, everyone's just so run down and needs their caffeine just to, like, exist. And I just had that thought, like, so many people do that and I did it and I wish people didn't. It's better this way.
Dax:I mean, I do feel that way. I do feel
Adam:that way about other people? Yeah. So I happened to, like, get on Twitter for the first time in two weeks and decide I'd write a little something. And then I I'm not on Twitter because you gave me that stupid app that, like, I don't wanna use it anymore. And then I check it two days later and, like, that tweet blew up and everybody's yelling at me and calling me a tech bro and it hurt my feelings.
Adam:Okay. I'm done. So I'm done with Twitter again. I don't know. I don't need it.
Adam:It sucks.
Dax:I mean, if you're gonna use it in that way, yes, I I see why it sucks.
Adam:Oh, yeah. Right. The right way to use it is just like hang out with your friends. I do miss everybody.
Dax:Do you? If you did, you'd be there. So we don't believe you.
Adam:Not true. I'm just busy.
Dax:Are you upgrading to Astro three?
Adam:Oh, yes. Stat News will launch with Astro three. I mean, we haven't done it yet, but, I mean, it doesn't sound like it's hard. Just like bumps and dependencies.
Dax:Yeah. I don't think it's hard either. Do you see the new are guys gonna use any of those new features?
Adam:So, like, view transitions, we had been using them in preview off and on. I turned it off twice. Right now, it's off because we keep running into some new weird issue. I wanna turn it back on and see if everything's good now. Like, you have to use, like, some event handlers.
Adam:You have to do some stuff to, like, reinitialize JavaScript because we're not using a framework. Like, we're not using any kind of JavaScript framework because we just have so little JavaScript. But you have to, like, make sure all the stuff in your script tags is, like, wrapped in this ASTRO load event or whatever that when the view transition happens, it's not a full page load, but that event fires, it initializes all the JavaScript. But we had some issues with stuff double loading. And I don't know.
Adam:It was weird little odds and ends, and they just go away when we turn off view transitions. I don't know. What other features are there, AstroTur? I thought it was mostly just it's faster.
Dax:It's faster and the view transitions. I think those are the two major things.
Adam:So maybe they fixed some stuff. Maybe we ran into bugs I just didn't report on on the view transition stuff.
Dax:You have an existing site, an existing design. When you say you turn on view transitions, like, can you is it, like, easy just to turn it on or do you have to, like, design a product specifically with this concept in
Adam:mind? No. You just literally just turn it on. Okay. And then suddenly it links prefetch and it animates between Like, you can customize the animations, but even if you don't, it morphs.
Adam:It does this kinda like default animation.
Dax:And that and like when you turn it on, it like looks nice and everything feels faster.
Adam:Surprisingly well. Yeah. There was just some little edge cases we had. But like, overall, it's a better site. I mean, it feels way better.
Adam:We just gotta iron that stuff out.
Dax:It's I'm looking at some of this stuff and it looks really cool and like, you know, the demos that they put out are really smart of them. That music player one, that was brilliant because Yeah. The Spotify demo trades.
Adam:The Spotify one was I think like user made.
Dax:They made their own, like, music player before.
Adam:Oh, it was? Yeah. Oh, they made one.
Dax:Yeah. I think I thought it was brilliant because you can, like, navigate between pages and the music keeps playing. And I was like, oh, it's a perfect way to demonstrate. Oh.
Adam:Like a podcast player kind of thing?
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's a perfect way to demonstrate like what the technology is because you would expect it to get interrupted. Mhmm.
Adam:That's smart.
Dax:I see all this cool stuff and, people putting these demos, they all look really great. It's so different from how I build anything where I'm like, wow, I actually feel completely out of touch at this point because nothing I built and work on works this way. I see the value in it. Am I ever gonna work on something like this in the future? Like, I don't even I can't even imagine it right now.
Adam:So yeah. So I'm trying to think, like, is it just does it just come down to the type of site or application would be better suited for either? Because I do feel like both worlds are trying to, like, solve the same problems. It's just very different approaches.
Dax:Yeah. The issue I have I've always had with some all this SSR stuff is when most of the site is stateful and needs to be around between page loads and all that stuff, it just becomes really tedious to like work around the SSR stuff and like escape hatchet and be like, this only runs on the client or like.
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:This needs to like be around between page. It's just it's too optimized for the other thing. And they they built this nice bridge so you can kinda have both but in my head it's always, even if you can literally do both both the SSR stuff and the SPA like behavior, it's not exactly the same as doing an SPA because it's Yeah. You're still like escape hatching. It's not really an escape hatch, you're using this feature but you're like wrapping everything in as additional functionality.
Dax:And it's great when you have mostly a site that you would just like to feel faster and snappier. But if it's mostly an app, I don't I I I don't see see that. But the the point I guess the point I'm trying to make is building a site has gotten so advanced, so much more advanced than the last time I built something like that, where I feel like a huge gap with my own skill set. Like I I just haven't done something like that. And I'm wondering, is that something I need to fix or like realistically, am I ever going to work on like a big heavy astro site?
Dax:Like maybe
Adam:Is it better just to focus on what you've always done and and not really branch into that stuff? Yeah.
Dax:Because I don't see myself building anything in that category, but who knows?
Adam:Yeah. I mean, the the project we're working on, I mean, this use case is, I think, really well suited to it because most of the page is static or it's generated the same for every user, and they're just kinda sprinkling some customization stuff in. Yeah. So, yeah, I I think it works out for us. I don't really have a lot of experience with spas, like real spas, like the kind of stuff you do and and, like, the client first or what what is it called?
Dax:Local first. Yeah.
Adam:Local first. Have no experience with that. I do think if I were building something like that, that's the way I'd go. You've convinced me. But yeah, it's amazing how differently you could build two two properties that are deployed to the web today.
Dax:Yeah, exactly. I feel like there's like there's like very little overlap now. It's it's also interesting to me because I've worked at a lot of companies and especially as a consultant, I've interacted with a lot of companies. And these large like public facing like content driven sites, I would say like less than 5% of the places I've worked for fit in that category. Yeah.
Dax:Weirdly haven't your like primary experience in the last couple years has been on like one of the biggest in that category.
Adam:So it's like
Dax:really extreme but I'm I do wonder like is that what that what half of engineers work on? Is that what like, I I have no sense of that at all.
Adam:Yeah. I feel like it's a smaller, like less than half kind of thing, I would think.
Dax:Yeah. Because I I personally haven't run into it.
Adam:And then I think about, like, how do I use the web? I mean, you think of, like, Stack Overflow fits into that.
Dax:Well, that's something you want to Stack Overflow.
Adam:I guess, yeah. I don't really do that anymore. ChatGPT is a spa. It's the only thing anyone uses anymore. So but Google I mean, Google is another example.
Adam:I do do you use the web? Do I use the web what do I actually are there websites that I navigate to in the
Dax:I'm looking at my tabs right now. I have the Arch Wiki open, which I always have open in some form. That's awesome.
Adam:You're such a nerd. That is a You're such a tech bro.
Dax:I am a tech bro. Because I'm trying to figure out how to run Android apps on my desktop so I can
Adam:do the Twitter yeah. Spaces. So we do the Twitter space. Yeah. We gotta do that.
Dax:We gotta figure
Adam:that out. Get that figured out and we'll do it. I have a lot of GitHub tabs open.
Dax:Yes. Git GitHub, in my opinion, should be way more of a spa than it is. Yeah. But yeah, GitHub, I don't know. I use a bunch of like little like a bunch of productivity apps and those are all all spas.
Dax:But yeah, I think for me the web is like Google to random sites, back to Google to random site, back to Google to random site. And I guess all of those should just be like astro type sites.
Adam:Yeah. Like the the random sites are typically like articles, blogs, stuff. Right? Like if you're researching something. And I guess that does I guess, now that I think about it, I don't use a lot of spas.
Dax:But is that where your job would be? Is my question.
Adam:What do you mean?
Dax:If someone is working as a software engineer, they're not, like, professionally working full time on their blog, you know. I guess most people aren't. Yeah.
Adam:What do most people work on? What do you all there's so many developers. There's like 30,000,000 developers. What are they doing?
Dax:So many companies, so many Well, I think about this all the time though because I'm like, okay, I got these like random headphones that I needed for a very specific reason. And yesterday, I installed the app and I'm like, there's someone out there that just works on this like random headphones app every single day.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah.
Dax:It's just, it's like, not great app. It's actually better than I expected but it's still like not great. But, yeah, like, there's just everywhere you look, there's, like, some software.
Adam:Yeah. Zooming out, like, has anyone are there surveys or breakdowns of, like, global trends in terms of the the bigger buckets, like systems developers versus, like, native mobile developers versus web developer. Like, where does all that fit in? I wonder what the breakdown looks like.
Dax:Yeah. Like, whenever I I always ask people where they work and it's always, it's always really legit in that, okay, that's a good real business, I see why that exists. But it's also something I literally have never heard of or would have never thought about. So it's just there's just so many companies out there. I think the the story I I keep going back to is that React Miami where I had a bunch of people come up to me and being like, we use SST and that was cool because I've like, I've never had that conversation in real life prior to that.
Dax:Yeah. And one of them
Adam:was like this oil company in
Dax:the middle of nowhere that had like a 100 plus software engineers and every single And one them using I was just like, this is so random. Like, a 100 people working together, like looking at the stuff that we make, and they like think that way and they build every day that way. That that is
Adam:like At a company you would have never heard of, I mean, had you not bumped into this person.
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. And now that we have the console up, we're seeing, we can see like people's invocations. Like we're seeing because we track the
Adam:number of vacations people have
Dax:and we've we have like a I like look at the top 10 every day. And man, we have some like giant user like some people are doing a lot of of traffic
Adam:Of vacations. Workload.
Dax:Yeah. It's like like there'll be someone in the lead. Number one, I'll see them every day. Number one, number one, number one. And then all of a sudden, someone will just double them and be like Oh, signed up and they're doubled and it's Yeah.
Dax:It's really crazy that there's and and I've never heard of any of these companies. I'll look them up, it looks like really okay, clearly it's a real business like it exists. Yeah. And it's crazy how big the world is.
Adam:The world is big. That's exactly what I was thinking. It's just really big. How's the console going? And where are you guys at right now?
Adam:What are you working on?
Dax:Yeah. It's, it's good. So we are, about to launch our issues features. This is in in our old product. But something like Sentry, you get alerted.
Dax:Big thing that I did though that we didn't have in the old one is like all the automatic source map support. So when you get
Adam:I saw you tweet that.
Dax:Yeah. The issue, it's actually like the stack trace looks correct and you can expand it and see the code that error.
Adam:Yeah, how'd you do that?
Dax:It it I think we have this really interesting positioning and I wanna like go at this angle a lot
Adam:more with everything we built.
Dax:We deploy your app. Because we deploy your app, we can do all kinds of things automatically for you that is a good setup process in other places. So if you think about when you sign up for Sentry, you know, they
Adam:they have like 90 plus percent of
Dax:the market, like everyone has used them before. But it's like, okay, I'm about to go to production, oh shit, we need we need to set up Sentry so we know if anything goes wrong, You, like, go to their docs, you figure out which one of the three ways you need to integrate, you wrap all your functions, you realize you forgot one function, you gotta go back and wrap that one, and it's all all these steps, right? But that process takes care of shipping everything that Sentry needs to give you a half decent experience. Yeah. But because we're deploying it, we can just do all that automatically.
Dax:Yeah. We know all the functions you deploy, we build your functions so we can generate source maps, ship them to we actually don't ship even ship them to ourselves. We just keep them in your account and the console will like use that to, you know, like like like correct backtraces and then pull out pull out your code. So That's pretty cool. Yeah.
Dax:The angle I wanna go is no setup. Like every feature we release, it should just kinda work without this additional thing you have to go integrate or setup. And that way, it doesn't really matter if we're never gonna be anywhere close to as good as Sentry because it's not our full time focus. But Yeah. Being the default option that just works automatically, that like ends up in a business perspective being default is like crazy crazy powerful.
Adam:Yeah. And if all else fails, I mean, you could always just like spin up crypto mining VMs or something in people's accounts. I mean, that you've got full control. You deploy. So I didn't mean to seed that into anybody's
Dax:mind. Is that the best thing we could do given we have
Adam:what is the best thing you could do? Yeah. If you've got, like, admin account on, like, a bunch of AWS accounts or admin access, what is the most lucrative thing you could do? Probably sell access to the people who think that they can make a lot of money. Yeah.
Adam:That's brilliant. Make the shovels.
Dax:That's funny.
Adam:You probably have to go like the dark web. Do you even know what the dark web is? I always hear people talk
Dax:about the the dark web. I have spent my time on the dark web.
Adam:Yes. You have? Yeah. How do you get there?
Dax:I don't wanna Can you use a browser? Well, you typically use Tor. Know what Tor is?
Adam:No. Like Torrent?
Dax:No, it's it's I don't know to answer.
Adam:I mean, I did download some Torrents. I'm gonna I'm gonna out myself. Did steal some music in the the late nineties.
Dax:Oh, man. Was it like, what kind of do you remember, like, a specific
Adam:Well, it wasn't even illegal when it was Napster. Right? Like Napster, it was like, this is legal or maybe. Kinda like DraftKings is legal.
Dax:I have I I don't really remember what happened with that. I feel like it came out and then later, they were like, hang on, this is all not allowed.
Adam:Yeah. That that I think I did a lot of that. I wanna say I downloaded like uTorrent and maybe got some stuff that way. Yeah. Some music or something.
Adam:I don't know. I don't remember.
Dax:Put it in there.
Adam:But but now you're saying the Tor is like a
Dax:Tor is this, it's kind of like a, it's like a distributed VPN if you think about it. So you can like Computers can join the Tor network and when you make a request to the Tor network, it gets bounced off of a bunch of them before going to the target. Okay.
Adam:Is it physically though happening over the internet?
Dax:Yes, it is.
Adam:Like, physical network is They
Dax:have their own like protocol. So So it's
Adam:not like TCP IP or whatever?
Dax:No. It's alright. It is I forgot what layer operates on. So it is TCP, it is HTTP. It's all, like,
Adam:very normal. It can build it very normal. It can deploy on astro sites.
Dax:But the domains are like, dot onion domains?
Adam:I'm sorry. What now? Yeah. They're like .com exists or on dot onion domains.
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it it's the the the Tor is like onion network. They call it onion network.
Dax:So I think it has like layers.
Adam:Oh, that's funny. I just expected something way creepier and like, I don't know, sinister.onion.
Dax:Dotonion.
Adam:Find me at super sneaky dot onion.
Dax:Well, here's the thing. That's another thing. You don't get nice domain names and I don't exactly understand why, or how this works but you get like it's like
Adam:a u u it's like a u yid almost, like
Dax:a u lid. It's like a bunch of random letters dot onion. And then so your request bounces through a bunch of different computers and then lands and then goes to the end server. So it just makes it harder to trace.
Adam:And what what makes the dark web so dark? Tell me more about the dark web. What would I find there if I went to your dot Well,
Dax:you can host you can you can host an illegal server on the normal internet, which
Adam:is completely fine. You just put
Dax:on the internet and like
Adam:An illegal server, what do mean?
Dax:A server serving illegal or illicit content. So it might be something where you're selling something that's illegal. Like you Okay. You go to Shopify. Like drugs.
Dax:You to Shopify, open a Shopify account and then start to sell drugs out of there. And they're gonna shut you down eventually, probably very quickly.
Adam:So that's why people end up on the dark web, because they don't get shut down.
Dax:From the serving standpoint, you can't use something like Shopify, so you have to self host it. So now you have to have your own servers, kind of do everything yourself to minimize the chance of it getting seized, whatever. Okay. And then you wanna protect the end users because you don't want their traffic to your site to be very easily traceable. So that's why everyone goes to this TOR thing.
Adam:Okay.
Dax:Here's the craziest part. You know who invented TOR? I'm pretty sure it was the US government. I think it was like
Adam:Oh,
Dax:really? The CIA or was like, I think it was originally built to help, like, dissidents in other countries that communicate without being being traced. But this just makes me wonder, like, I don't it's not fully not traceable. Like, if you put in the work, you can trace stuff.
Adam:Was gonna say, it feels like it's still yeah. It's still gotta be, like, reversible. Like, somebody could take all the activity and Yeah. I don't know.
Dax:Think that's idea is it makes it annoying enough to track an individual. They don't bother going after customers, they just go after this other.
Adam:Serving. Which
Dax:Okay. Which I think is makes sense from
Adam:for everyone's point of view. Interesting.
Dax:So there's these marketplaces like eBay that that are there. They're effectively just like eBay and but you can sell anything.
Adam:Yeah. But you can't go from a browser. You gotta go from a
Dax:You have to use a client browser, which is just Firefox. Which is Firefox, that's like forked
Adam:for Oh, this okay. Yeah. Okay.
Dax:It but it's fine. It's just like all the same concerns happen. There's like UX concerns, like, have to build like a nice product that people wanna use and everything. There's like a rating system.
Adam:For the dark web.
Dax:Yeah. There's like some of these websites have like, the merchants have ratings but instead of normal ratings, like, of course, you have like a normal like, out of five star rating. They break it down and one of the categories is stealth. Like, four out of five on stealth because, know, the package was like, they put the drugs in, like, a DVD cover and they, like, mailed that to me and that was, like, very good stealth. You
Adam:seem to know a lot about this, Dax. You really you've done your homework on the dark web.
Dax:Let's just say I watch a documentary.
Adam:You watch a documentary? It's funny. Anything on the dark web that could help me with this voice? It could maybe like heal my throat.
Dax:They sell all sorts of funny stuff on there like like they sell cash which is a funny cons it makes complete sense.
Adam:Wait, what?
Dax:You can buy cash but like you're just laundering money effectively.
Adam:How do you pay on the dark web?
Dax:It's all all Bitcoin, now now Monero. Bitcoin. Yeah yeah yeah.
Adam:What did it do what did they do before cryptocurrency? Don't know actually
Dax:because I I feel like it only really got big once once Bitcoin was an option because Silk Road which is the most infamous one.
Adam:I've heard of that.
Dax:I think they came out they came out after Bitcoin came out.
Adam:Did they get destroyed? Did they get like taken down or something?
Dax:Yeah. Was like a huge it was like a huge thing where the the guy got caught and now he's in jail for life and people kind of think it's like overly people kind of do feel like it was an overly harsh harsh punishment. There's a lot of messed up things that happened with the trial. Like it seemed like the government was like, they entrapped him into like saying that he was gonna assassinate someone. It it was like a lot of
Adam:stuff A happened with the
Dax:bunch of the agents stole some of the Bitcoin that they seized. It was kind of a huge huge mess of a of a process.
Adam:Wow. But yeah, dark web. So the dark web is still thriving. It hasn't gone away.
Dax:I don't I don't know. I mean, I haven't looked at it in a while
Adam:but I'm just like, the thing
Dax:is these marketplaces come out, they last for a while. Sometimes the person making the marketplace just lets it get big enough big enough and they like just steal a bunch of stuff and then disappear.
Adam:Oh, jeez.
Dax:Makes sense. Sometimes they get taken down by the government, new one pops up, it's kind of an infinite
Adam:Yeah. Bloop. How do, is there communication channels? Like I always hear about IRC and like I know like old school programmers like I started on IRC. Well, it's funny because
Dax:the UX a lot of these sites has to suck because they optimize for crazy security over ease of use. So you have to like generate your own PGP keys and like upload your public keys to the site and then all your messages like is like end to end encrypted so the site doesn't even have access to Yeah. To the data that they're serving. So yeah, usually a messaging platform will be on the site and they just make you follow all these steps to keep it encrypted and yeah, people like boot up into like those secure Linux operating systems like Tails or whatever.
Adam:Wait, what?
Dax:Tails? There's like these these there's these Linux OS's that you can boot off of a USB that are optimized to like be really stealthy. Like, they don't, like, leave any cached data on the disk and they, like, kinda encrypt everything and do all that. So people will boot into that
Adam:Wow.
Dax:Use the Tor browser, access the dark web, do whatever they need to do.
Adam:Oh, man. I would love to know one of these people. Apparently, it's you. I mean, I'd love to just, like, sit in the room and watch what they do all day.
Dax:There's there's, like, Reddits that, like, they're, like, tutorials. There's Reddits. You can go
Adam:Oh, really?
Dax:You can go explore. I it's just, a funny thing that exists. Like I said, you just you feel it's selling, like, all sorts of funny stuff on there. Sometimes people sell, like, tutorials and books too. They, sell, like, how to steal credit cards.
Dax:Yeah. No product. There's, like, grifters over there too.
Adam:Oh, man. That's funny. You can't escape it. It's everywhere. Oh, that's funny.
Adam:When so when you boot into Tails and you're sitting in your dark purple room, do you wear like a hood? Are you always in like one of the anonymous masks?
Dax:You have to, otherwise, you know, it's not it's something if you're not in a hood.
Adam:You gotta have physical security too. Yeah. If someone saw you, they need to not know who it is.
Dax:Yeah. There's a whole thing around, this concept. I forgot what's called it's called a dead drop. It's called some kind of drop. So there's I don't even know if this really happens but the thing everyone's paranoid about is when they're getting a delivery, people claim that sometimes that delivery gets intercepted and then the FBI will dress up as or whoever, whatever their agency, will dress up as a carrier and they give you the box.
Dax:Wow. And they wait five minutes and they raid you to see
Adam:if you've opened the box. Has this ever really happened?
Dax:And I'm just like, I don't, it's one of those things, you know, where like the average person thinks about how the law works and they like, I, it just sounds like that to me. It's like, they bust it and they see you with the box open, they're like, because you opened the box and now you're in trouble. But what happens if you just don't open it for a day, like, you're somehow not in trouble. Like, just doesn't make any sense. But there's a there's a story that just goes around where someone's, someone said that, they claim that their friend went to the post office to pick up a package because it wasn't delivered.
Dax:And the post office was having a birthday party for one of the employees. It was like balloons and everyone was wearing hats and everything. And he picked up the package and turns out it was a fake birthday party and was like a stealth operation and a bunch of like TV agents were dressed up as a birthday. It was like it was like employee birthday, they came out, they, like, arrested him. I don't understand why they would need to pretend it's a birthday.
Adam:Like, why? Yeah. There's a lot of ways that could have gone. That seems like extra work. Yeah.
Adam:Like, how did he not I don't know.
Dax:I feel like he could
Adam:have surprised them other ways without Yeah. Like pretending to be celebrating a birthday.
Dax:He could have been behind he could have been in the back office like, no one would have said anything.
Adam:That's that's a true story though?
Dax:No. I I don't know. There's these stories going around where I just feel like people like this like role playing element of like, oh, I'm doing this this like yeah. This thing. I'm avoiding the government.
Dax:Have to like dodge
Adam:the cops and, you know. It's more fun that way. They're breaking the law.
Dax:I just assume that they never go after a buyer. It just feels like a waste
Adam:of time. Yeah.
Dax:I'm assuming they're trying to attract the Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. That makes sense. This is not that. But have you seen the is it Mark Mark Robber Roberson? Robs?
Adam:I don't know. The guy the YouTuber that does the, like he makes the crazy, like, packages that explode.
Dax:Oh, for for For pirates.
Adam:For pirates.
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that. I've seen that. Yeah.
Dax:Where there's a camera in there and then it, like, explodes glitter.
Adam:They start smelling really bad and then they, like, explode. Yeah.
Dax:That's That's a huge problem. Everyone always complains about that. I've never had that happen to me once.
Adam:I saw one of them. He did it wasn't for the porch, it was like they were putting stuff in a bag and just putting it in the back of a car in San Francisco or something like that and how quickly the window gets busted out.
Dax:And he smashed the window, jumped in and grabbed it. Yeah, was a good less than ten seconds.
Adam:They just come grab the bags. It's so fast. Like they leave it there for no time at all and there are people busting in or looking in or
Dax:Yeah. That video was weird to me because were they targeting that car specifically? Because they seemed to go straight for the back seat. They knew there was something and then they
Adam:smashed it.
Dax:They pulled up, smashed it, and
Adam:ran out. So efficient. Yeah. Makes you never wanna go to a city again. Oh, that's just me?
Adam:That's just you. That's just me. Okay.
Dax:Yeah. I mean, we have a it's so it's weird because we, in the street we live on, most people have these like their whole property is like gated. All the houses are next to each other, they're like adjacent. It's not like in a suburbs where there's like space between the houses, like we all live right next to each other even though the houses.
Adam:Dax would not live in the suburbs. That is not a Dax move. Sorry.
Dax:Has these like big gates that go all around. So it's like, everyone's like completely shielded, like you can't start to even like see into into the house. But our we have like like, like a waist level, like, picket fence and we're just like I just feel like we're crazy exposed compared to everyone else on our street.
Adam:Oh, no.
Dax:But I actually wonder if there's some kind of reverse psychology going on where someone's like Oh. Well, that looks too easy. Yeah.
Adam:There's gotta be some catch. Yeah.
Dax:The other day, well, Zuko has his friend that comes over a lot and she's a German Shepherd and they both play in the front yard like really crazy. They like, they're really nuts. I'm like, I hope I hope that people are seeing this all the time. So that they'll be like, oh, shit. There's a good Doberman.
Dax:Yeah. The German
Adam:Shepherd and the Doberman rolling around in the grass, biting at each other. Yeah.
Dax:I think if you look at her house, it's very normal. But just the fact that everyone else has these like armored. Yeah. These compounds that makes me think, like, is that is that there for a reason? Is everyone just overreacting?
Dax:I can't tell.
Adam:Yeah. We've got the so we've got, like, perimeter cameras Yeah. Around the house and it's the Ring. I don't know if you've
Dax:looked Yeah. We have perimeter cameras too, but we have the, like, the Nest side of things.
Adam:Yeah. Okay. Nest. Yeah. I've used Nest stuff in the past.
Adam:So we have the Ring ones, and they have this option that when the when you'll arm the alarm, you can have this virtual security guard where somebody watches any motion detection events because we get a lot of false like, it's supposed to just detect humans, but it's like a spider goes across and, like, human. So they any motion events during an active like, when your your alarm is armed, there's an active person watching it and determining if there's any real threat Woah. And then dismissing. So, like, every event that happens and you pay for, like it's, like, buckets of number of events that they'll monitor or whatever. Mhmm.
Adam:But we just had gone to Kansas City, and I just decided to, like, actually arm it while we were gone. We we arm it at night every night just on a schedule. Mhmm. But armed it for the whole trip. We were gone for like three days.
Adam:And our neighbors brought our trash cans back to the house.
Dax:Oh, that's nice.
Adam:It record so it yeah. It's super nice. But they're all on a walk and they're just walking by. And like, we'll just take the trash can to the house. And as she's walking up the driveway, this, like, security guard comes over the audio, and they're like, set the garage or set the trash receptacle down and leave the premise.
Adam:This is private property. And they thought, like, oh, maybe it's just an automated message. That was kinda like they've heard our cameras. Like, at one time, we had the setting where it was like, you're being recorded. So she turns to her husband.
Adam:She's like, it said something about the trash cans. The whole thing's recorded. Like, we can watch the whole thing back. But I get this alert while we're in Kansas City that, like, somebody showed up at your garage, but the the situation was deescalated and we didn't have to call authorities.
Dax:Deescalated. Oh my god.
Adam:Yeah. And then I watch it back. It's like my neighbor's bringing the trash cans in. That's really funny. But she told him.
Adam:She said, we've called the police. Like, because she kept coming after that. Like, she brought them to the house. She's like, we've called the authorities. Leave the premises.
Adam:They didn't call the authorities. Wait. They totally bluffed him.
Dax:Is it are they, like, hitting a button to play that or is it someone speaking live?
Adam:They're speaking live over the cameras. The cameras have like two way like, we can do that. We can talk over
Dax:the camera. So do they have to sound threatening? Is that part of their like
Adam:I don't know. She did a very the the security guard did a very good job of being intimidating. It was like the whole bluff on calling the police and everything.
Dax:Wow. I don't
Adam:know if that's an attack vector. If people, like, wanna steal stuff, they, like, bring your girl your trash can to the house, like, just all sneaky. Like, I'm just returning your trash bins, and then boom. They go for the hit. I don't know.
Adam:Is that how people say things like that?
Dax:I don't
Adam:know what that was. I don't even know what the dark web is. I don't know.
Dax:Yeah. We have we have, cameras around too. Again, like I said, because I feel exposed, I like set up cameras everywhere, which makes me feel better.
Adam:Oh, I feel way better.
Dax:They don't really trigger by accident. I feel like they only ever catch before.
Adam:Oh, really?
Dax:But maybe we just
Adam:I don't know. I have no idea why. I feel You like never had an issue with that?
Dax:No. It's like whenever you an alert, it's a real person.
Adam:So what's annoying to me on the Ring ones is they have they literally have a setting that's like human only motion events.
Dax:Yes. Exactly.
Adam:It doesn't work. Oh, okay. I mean, it just gets a lot of false positives. I guess it's better than whatever the true negatives. I don't know.
Adam:What's the opposite of a false positive? I guess it's better than missing events, but you don't want, like, your alarm going off because a bug flew in front of the window at night. Like, that that happens. Like, you get those events.
Dax:Yeah. We might just have, like I guess we might just have less noise going in front of our cameras. Okay. I will say there is this one this conversation reminded me I need to put a camera in a specific part of my backyard.
Adam:Uh-oh.
Dax:So if if you if you are sleeping in our bedroom, if you wake up at literally any time at night and you just start listening for one minute, you will be convinced that someone's breaking in and like about to Because kill What? This is super weird and I'm telling you it sounds every it happens to me all the time when I wake up. And no matter how many times it happens, I still am like convinced that this is what's going on. We have these really tall bamboo trees, right? Like in the window of our bedroom.
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:At night in the wind, they like creak, okay? But the way they creak sounds exactly like our side door opening. It literally sound think I can hear like the latch opening. Okay? So first you hear that and you're like, okay, maybe it's just a creak.
Dax:Then you start hearing footsteps on the rocks on the side of the haggis. But when it creeks, the lizards jump off and like land on the ground and like run around. But it sounds exact if you just like, there's been so many nights, I I generally sleep really well but if I ramble, I get woken up and I start to listen to that, I'll just be up for thirty minutes because I'm just like tense waiting for
Adam:That's terrifying.
Dax:To my window to sleep. But it sounds exactly like a gate opening and someone walking constantly through
Adam:the whole night. So I'm like,
Dax:I need to put a camera on the side of the house so that
Adam:I can look
Dax:at it and be like, okay, definitely it's not a person.
Adam:Just the lizards. Just the lizards running around. Nothing
Dax:It's to worry really creepy, though. It's very creepy.
Adam:I I had a singular event the other night. I got up pretty early at, like, 04:30 or five, and I'm in my office. And I my door was shut. But, like, often, my oldest will get up in the middle of the night, like, I don't know, he has to pee or something. And he'll come down when he knows I'm awake and tell me of his issues or whatever if he's got something he needs help of his issues.
Adam:What's so sad about dad, I'm scared. Or dad, I need Yeah. Just like he'll come into the office. I I swore I heard him or somebody, like, up and around upstairs and come down. And I was just waiting for my door to open, and no nobody opened the door.
Adam:So I pulled up. We have all interior cameras as well. So I go to, like, the interior app, and it's like no motion events. Nobody has moved in the house.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:And I swore I heard like, I was so sure. It was the creepiest, like, ghost story kind of thing I've ever had.
Dax:One answer. Yeah. It has to be a ghost.
Adam:It
Dax:has A ghost with footsteps.
Adam:That's right. Or lizards and wind or something. Bamboo. We don't have any bamboo, so I don't know.
Dax:It's creepy, man. Yesterday, Liz went to the bathroom and then she went back to the bathroom a minute later to get something. And she was like, the toilet seat's up all the way. And there's no way that I would have left it up so that must have been a ghost.
Adam:Oh my word. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Dax:So sometimes there's Why
Adam:is there no way you would have left it up?
Dax:No, she was saying there's no way She went to the bathroom.
Adam:She looked Oh, like at you and hadn't been in there. No, no,
Dax:no, no. And she was like, toilet seat. And I was like, is it possible you left it up? She's like, no, impossible. Why would I ever do
Adam:that? Yeah. Why would she do that? But what but you could have done it.
Dax:No. I wasn't in the bathroom.
Adam:Okay. What I'm getting at is I sit when I pee. Do you sit when you pee?
Dax:Yeah. But only because Liz told me I have to do that.
Adam:Yeah. Casey too, like, five years ago. And it's even better. Now I'm convinced, like
Dax:I'm just used
Adam:to reason to pee all over the floor. Like, I used to pee all over People are
Dax:make fun of us with this one. We're screwed.
Adam:I don't care. You know what? It's better. It's just like
Dax:Is it better? It's less messy.
Adam:It's way less messy. There's just no way you're not gonna splatter all over everything if you pee standing up every day. And why do that in your own house? Why create that mess? It's just unnecessary.
Dax:I still do standing up every once in a while. It's a little treat for me, you know. Oh, really? Makes it
Adam:a Little treat. You enjoy. I don't think about, like, not enjoying sitting to pee.
Dax:I think there's, like, a little amount of friction of, like, turning around and then squatting Yeah. And sitting down. So skipping that to one second as I like to treat.
Adam:I guess I am a little excited when I'm in a public place and I pee in a urinal. Like, oh, I just get to stand here and pee. That's it's kinda nice. I guess I get it.
Dax:Yeah. What percentage of people do you think sit of men do you think sit
Adam:and pee? Well, isn't it like I wanna say internationally, it's a much higher percentage. Like, I wanna say in Europe, they do that. It's normal. But here in The US, you stand Europe has
Dax:that poop shelf thing going on. Don't
Adam:A know what shelf?
Dax:Have you seen their their toilets where like
Adam:No.
Dax:There's like a ledge in the toilet bowl? Like water like comes out and like goes around. I'll send you a picture later.
Adam:What's the purpose of the ledge?
Dax:And they call it a poop shelf because sometimes, like a poop gets on it and then it just kinda gets stuck. And I'm like, what is
Adam:this design?
Dax:Like why
Adam:do they decide? Why would they want
Dax:don't really know I'm sure they have some European reason where it's like, it's better for society or something like that. But
Adam:Wow. I had never heard of this. I mean, I'm gonna look up pictures now, I guess, of I'm not gonna search that, though. I'm just gonna search European toilets.
Dax:No. Search poop shelf. I think that's probably the
Adam:right thing to because it'll have pictures, like, proving why it's called that. No. I'm not done with toilet I'm pretty sure they sit when they pee, though. I think it's a it's an American thing, like inches
Dax:Do think European sit when
Adam:they pee? I'm pretty sure. I mean, I'm not a European.
Dax:I I I had no idea.
Adam:I don't know. I'm googling it. Do European are you googling? Are you googling do Europeans pee? Yes.
Adam:European man
Dax:Sounds like an insult.
Adam:Sit to pee. I'm telling you, Germany was by far the leader in men who sit while peeing. 62% of German men. I knew I liked the Germans. I knew it.
Adam:Sweden came in a distant second with the country split fifty fifty on the issue. American men prefer standing with only 23% saying they sit most of the time. Disgusting Americans. What are we doing? We just like cleaning up pee on the floor?
Adam:What's the deal?
Dax:Just Google poop shelf. Just do it. Okay. Google poop shelf. I'll do it.
Dax:It's just a weird design. I don't get it.
Adam:What in the world?
Dax:There's no most of the pictures are not gross. Some of the pictures are gross. But
Adam:Okay. I don't actually see the shelf though.
Dax:It's not like it's a shelf. The point is it's not like
Adam:Oh, it's not full of water?
Dax:Or like the water level is really low. I don't understand it.
Adam:Why is the water level so low? Yeah. Most of the toilet is not full of water. That seems wrong. Oh, this picture has a duck sitting on it.
Adam:What in the world? Oh, this okay. I just got into the gross ones. Okay. I'm done.
Adam:I don't understand that. They just fill the bowl with water. Is it just water conservation? Probably.
Dax:I don't know. The water conversation conservation thing is funny because it's so regional where, like where I live, like, there's water everywhere all the time. Be coming from the ground, coming from the sky, like, we're working out the water shortage.
Adam:Yeah. Like New Orleans and then California, they're they take all the water they get. Right? Yeah. And was there a big storm?
Adam:Did you you didn't get hit by the hurricane or anything?
Dax:No. Went to Tampa, I think.
Adam:Oh, Tampa.
Dax:Tampa. Awesome. Native Americans put a reverse curse on Tampa that prevents hurricanes from hitting there directly. So they're protected.
Adam:Did they do that? Did the Tampan Tampa Tampa people do something fine?
Dax:Think there's like burial grounds there.
Adam:Ah. But they got hit, so the reverse curse wore off.
Dax:Yeah. But it's been a very long time. Like the last hurricane from the hurricane I was supposed to hit there from last year just, like, veered off last minute and hit hit closer.
Adam:So it worked for while. I don't know. How do we know Native Americans didn't put a reverse curse on every city, though? Like, there's probably some Native Americans that reverse curse to every city because they live there.
Dax:This is you're being a tech bro right now.
Adam:Oh, am I? Oh, no. I don't wanna be a tech bro. No.
Dax:I'm just kidding. I just
Adam:Okay. I opened up Twitter on accident. It's something we were talking about, and I have all these notifications.
Dax:Just enjoy the mystery and don't don't analyze it.
Adam:Don't analyze it. Okay. Why are so many people quote tweeting this tweet? It was not that good of a tweet. People.
Dax:The coffee one?
Adam:Just leave it alone. There's three zero eight quote tweets. Yes. The coffee one.
Dax:My gosh.
Adam:Jeez. Don't think I'm Calm down people. Can we just can we talk about who are the people that are just like, I'm so mad this person tweeted. I'm gonna write about it.
Dax:Yeah. Well, that's
Adam:Who are these people? Oh, my word.
Dax:Whatever you did that was wrong, the people quote tweeting are worse. So you can
Adam:I agree? I mean, it's me. So I'm biased. Okay. I'm over it.
Adam:I gotta get off here.
Dax:Like I think I think I saw Aaron reply, you should double down.
Adam:Double down? Like, if you drink coffee, you're probably a satanist and probably hate babies and
Dax:No. No. To to be to be the most annoying
Adam:Oh, what would it be? I'll do that right now.
Dax:You can't be that extreme.
Adam:You have to Just give me I'll do it right
Dax:Literally, right now. Something that seems like it's serious. But I don't know what it is.
Adam:If you drink coffee, you probably gave up in life. Is that too much?
Dax:I had an idea the other day where I was like, if I ever wanna just piss everyone off, I went up post, no real work has ever been done on a laptop. I guarantee I guarantee you think that would do worse?
Adam:That people would get more mad than the coffee thing?
Dax:Yeah. I'm sad.
Adam:No. That'd be good because that's that's not one people get called out for, like working on laptops. So that's that's a fresh wound.
Dax:Everyone does it and everyone loves working on laptops and everyone thinks that people that work on desktops are trying too hard.
Adam:So it'll be Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. Please do it. I'll hit send if you hit send. What's something better than gave up in life?
Adam:That's too obviously like, I'm just trolling. If you drink coffee
Dax:You probably don't do any serious work.
Adam:You probably
Dax:Your work your work isn't that serious.
Adam:Oh, man. People are gonna think I'm serious. I don't know. I just Twitter I'm kind of done with Twitter. If you drink coffee, your work probably isn't that serious.
Adam:Okay. I'm doing it. Whoo. Done. I don't know.
Adam:But nobody's gonna see it. That's the way Twitter works. Like, million people latch onto one tweet and then Should they see it?
Dax:Yeah. You never know. Okay. I tweeted something today that I thought was funny but now it's like, okay. Like, I noticed once a tweet gets past a certain zone, that's when all the annoying people come in.
Dax:And it's starting they've reached that zone. And now I'm a little nervous.
Adam:But Is it your, graduating that one? Congrats on graduating. You're now a real adult. Come join Big Tech where a bus will take you to campus. Bring backpack.
Adam:You're assigned a level. And do you mind me reading this out loud? This is okay. Okay. You're assigned a level and given a checklist on how to progress.
Adam:Meals provided. Every quarter, you get a report card. You're told you're extra special. Wow. That's pretty true.
Adam:That's I mean, I've never worked in Big Tech, but that sounds accurate.
Dax:I'm just I'm someone is gonna be mad. There's gonna be at least one person replies, ain't you?
Adam:Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's just how Twitter works. Right? Yeah.
Adam:When you follow trashy searching, yeah, it's like this. Alright. Just numb with me. You quit. Okay.
Adam:We should probably get off here. This one's been kinda long. But, you know, we didn't we didn't record on Thursday.
Dax:Yeah. Make up for it.
Adam:Making up for it. One big old episode.
Dax:Your voice sounds better, by the way.
Adam:Oh, I just needed to talk more. It does sound better.
Dax:I think it sounds basically normal.
Adam:Oh, it's that if you don't use it, you lose it thing. Or what is it? Like, you hurt your ankle, you gotta keep walking on it. Don't just sit around.
Dax:Yeah. It's gonna atrophy.
Adam:You you hurt your voice, you gotta just do some podcasting.
Dax:Got it. Get on
Adam:the mic.
Dax:Prescribes you start a podcast.
Adam:Yeah. Exactly. You need to work on your throat exercises. Okay. Alright.
Adam:Gonna get some water.
Dax:See you.
Adam:See you next.
