50! SST Has Users, Dax Got Partner, TwitchCon 2023, and the Startup Money Situation
My main point is that you should just shut up about Tailwind. Spread the word. If you talk about Tailwind, I'm gonna come after you.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure how we got there, but okay. Fair enough. Speaking of, have you eaten?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Today, I was like, I'm gonna drink water.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna eat. I'm gonna have my energy levels up. I'm like finishing off this Larabar.
Speaker 2:Oh, nice Larabar. Haven't had one in so long. Did you know I I haven't eaten Larabars in a while?
Speaker 1:Did you like realize you had a problem and you wanted to you wanted to go take time off?
Speaker 2:I wish it was that profound. It was just I didn't order them again and then I realized I really they don't fit into my eating schedule. I eat in a very limited way. I'm doing the intermittent stuff and we just eat two meals, like a breakfast and a we're not going the full one meal a day thing. But, yeah, I don't snack, so there's not really an opportunity to eat a Larabar.
Speaker 2:Man, I love Larabars. Man, I miss Larabars now.
Speaker 1:I'm just talking about it. I've also been on a Larabar break because they're my my streaming thing, so I would like eat them while I streamed. And I stopped streaming as much and I also ran out. Like, do you remember I like ordered way too many? I had like I had like a basket with a couple of them.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. And I finally finished them and I I didn't buy them for a couple weeks and then list all of them at the grocery stores. So she she grabbed them and now I'm like back on the train.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're so good.
Speaker 1:Back on the Lara train.
Speaker 2:I'm eating I I haven't eaten. I'm eating now. So throughout the podcast, my energy levels should rise. They're on the upswing.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that your is that your beats pre workout?
Speaker 2:No. There's no beats in this. It's just breakfast. It's a lot of stuff in it, but it's not beats. Not working out today.
Speaker 2:I, I have a massage today. I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1:Are they coming to your house?
Speaker 2:No. That'd be cool. Do they do that? Are there masseuses?
Speaker 1:I feel like you're the type where they would come to your house. That's why I asked. But that's the thing. I remember in, I mean, maybe in cities, but I remember in New York, some companies would offer that as like a perk where they would like come to your office
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And massage you. I don't like massages. I get like really tense when someone is trying to massage me which is the opposite of what a massage is supposed to do. Yeah. And I found this the thought of like laying naked on a table and not fully naked but semi naked, like where you work, like in your office.
Speaker 1:Something about that just fell off.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't know. That seems kind of It
Speaker 1:was meant
Speaker 2:to it. It seems kind of different. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I've never had an actual massage.
Speaker 2:I know some people say they can be really painful, like Yeah. The deep ones. But Casey, my wife goes to this masseuse and says that she'll give you, like, varying degrees of pain depending on Yeah. What you It's like an opt in. I I my neck is doing that thing again.
Speaker 2:I I've got a, like, a thing in my back where I can hardly, like, move to the left. So I badly need this massage. Couldn't even train this morning. Couldn't even BJJ.
Speaker 1:Sucks. A large percentage of our podcast has turned into us talking about our bodies
Speaker 2:wearing down. Really suck. We should what's up to talking about?
Speaker 1:I think we're becoming those people. We're like, oh, my back is acting up, you know.
Speaker 2:This is episode 50, so by episode a 100, we'll we'll just be dead? What what's the We'll be dead. The last is it a hundred years to live? That was like a Ben Folkes song?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I so I I, back when I was having all those shoulder issues I'm gonna get staying on the same topic. When I was having all those shoulder issues, I went to a physical therapist and she would end every like, I was on crazy good insurance. This was when I was selling my parents' insurance and my dad was working for some some crazy hedge fund. And I had like insane insurance and like the physical therapy I got from Kabuli for free was like forty minutes of physical therapy and then like a thirty minute like legit massage Wow.
Speaker 1:After each one. But it was the most painful thing. It it did make me feel better but it was very very painful. She would just like go hard and into all these like pressure points I had.
Speaker 2:Do you feel good afterwards? Like, is it worth it?
Speaker 1:Yeah. It it it did make me feel better but then the larger point, so I was like, okay, is cool, it's free and it makes me feel better. But the large if you zoom out a little bit, I fixed my shoulder problems just by hanging. And I think I've talked about this before, I was just hanging. I eventually discovered the concept of just hanging from a bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And those like permanently fixed
Speaker 2:my shoulder issues, so Same with wrist issues, right?
Speaker 1:It's all kind of pointless in the end. Oh, does it help through wrist issues too?
Speaker 2:I've heard yeah. I think Primes talked about it helps with your wrists.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I've had wrist issues. Like, I've had carpal tunnel in the past and I I've had issues where, like maybe it is the carpal tunnel where you wake up in the night and, like, three of your fingers are numb on one hand.
Speaker 1:Oh, really?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm using like a little wrist thing now, like a wrist bar in front of my keyboard so that it's a little more
Speaker 1:You like wrist? Yeah. I'm shocked that don't have carpal tunnel because I've been I've been like using my keyboard a lot, like a lot more than the average person
Speaker 2:for, For ten years.
Speaker 1:Probably say, yeah, for a long time. And somehow my wrist wrist are fine. I don't know what it's at. I don't use it. I don't even use an ergonomic keyboard.
Speaker 1:I just use a
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't I don't don't like mechanicals.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Don't well, non mechanical, that's wrong. But I don't like the ergonomic ones. Anytime I say ten years to you, by the way, I'm joking. That that's a joke.
Speaker 1:I know. I know. I know. Actually, that time I was like, is he making a joke or is he, like, being serious? That that that could have gone another way.
Speaker 2:What are gonna do next year when it's eleven years? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna round down to 10.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you're rounding on 10
Speaker 1:till it's fifteen? I've been saying 10 for, like, three years now. So I think I'm already on eleven. Wait.
Speaker 2:When did you start, like, when did you start professionally as a developer? Because I feel like we've talked about this I forgot.
Speaker 1:2012, I think Okay. Is probably when I was really getting paid.
Speaker 2:So I've got three years on you. I started in 02/2009.
Speaker 1:Wow. Right after the crisis.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That affected No, I have no idea. So I've been doing this three years longer and I'm like 50 times worse. I was gonna say a 100, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, you haven't really been doing you've been doing it three years longer professionally. But
Speaker 2:Oh, you grew up in
Speaker 1:it. You I I think I was I'm like doing
Speaker 2:it longer overall.
Speaker 1:Okay. Also, your house is bigger than mine, so that's all There we go. I'm interested.
Speaker 2:Also, I live in a place that's much cheaper. Did you get partner on Twitch?
Speaker 1:I did a while ago and I didn't even notice and I'd literally have not streamed since I got it. Is that the curse you just get partnered and you never stream again?
Speaker 2:No. I mean oh, I get
Speaker 1:That kinda
Speaker 2:is I don't think of myself as never streaming again. I'm going to stream again. I'm just not streaming right now. That's
Speaker 1:all. Back when you were getting it or close to getting it, you were telling me like, oh, you know, like, what's gonna be the next goal? Like, I I'm like kind of directionless after this or you said something to that degree and I was like, what is he talking about? Like, who cares? Like, it's just a it's just a random thing.
Speaker 1:But then now I'm like, I know exactly what you're talking I, like, got partnered and I'm like, oh, so much of my motivation to stream came from there being this goal. Like, I didn't even realize that that was what was driving me.
Speaker 2:Yeah. At the beginning, I didn't even know what it was. I didn't know it existed. I was motivated just to do it for the fun of it for the first few weeks. And then once you learn what it is, it's like, oh, there's a carrot.
Speaker 2:I want the carrot. And then, yeah, you get the carrot. I think what I'm gonna do because I there's for reasons, I just can't stream, like, work stuff right now. I think I'm gonna start streaming just like playing Earthbound. Have I said this?
Speaker 2:I think I've said this publicly. I'm gonna play
Speaker 1:You mentioned it. Yeah. It's like
Speaker 2:an old Super Nintendo game. I'm gonna play it on stream just to be able to hang out with all my friends that are here right now in your Twitch chat. Yeah. I'm gonna play
Speaker 1:These aren't our friends. I I I tweeted to I I tweeted something like Tailwind is annoying and that's why all these people are here in
Speaker 2:the These are just people who agree that Tailwind is annoying or disagree?
Speaker 1:Or are here to yell at me.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Does anyone have a neutral opinion on Tailwind? You claim to, but you just made your title Tailwind is Annoying or I hate Tailwind.
Speaker 1:Well, do want me to expand on why I said that? Mhmm. I have a neutral opinion on Tailwind because I think it it makes sense and I guess that I've used that pattern for a while. But it I feel like so at first, it was Tailwind kinda came out and I think it was a kind of like the underdog in a lot of ways. And not it was definitely not the incumbent.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of people just hating on it. And those are people that were annoying. There's people randomly hating on this new thing they haven't tried. Yeah. But now it's just swung to being pretty consensus, like it's kind of the mainstream opinion.
Speaker 1:And I now am finding pro tail when people are super annoyed, like they're just constantly being like, being like, this is so awesome, like And I I don't understand why this draws so much passion from people because I cannot think of a more boring part of my application. Like, if I'm gonna be passionate about something, it's not gonna be how I style my front ends, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 2:You but you like the like the CSS and JS. I feel like I don't like that. I don't remember why I don't
Speaker 1:like Yeah. People don't people don't like it but I think it's because so I think there's two dimensions. There's what the API for it looks like and there's what how it's implemented.
Speaker 2:The runtime. Yeah, I think I used to I used it when it was like style components, emotion and all these things that were super slow
Speaker 1:and Yeah, style components and emotion were I think emotion were those are both string based. So you were kind of like writing CSS strings in like these template string things. Yeah. I don't think that's a good API. I think that there's a good reason why people just didn't like that.
Speaker 1:Then Stitches came out which was very TypeScript oriented. So that was like really thought about how do you build components like prop mapping, all of the classic things that you do with components and how Radix, to right? Radix. Yeah. And then a lot of Radix exam Radix?
Speaker 1:Radix. Don't know.
Speaker 2:Radix, actually. I'm just kidding. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think you should say that out loud. Why?
Speaker 2:What was that a bad word?
Speaker 1:Wait. It's okay. Let's just let's just move on.
Speaker 2:No. No. No. Wait. Wait.
Speaker 2:Wait. Is it a bad word? Is it a word that's like a
Speaker 1:It's not a bad word? Let let no. No. No. It just sounds interesting when you say it
Speaker 2:that way. Sounds interesting. You can't just leave me like that. What there's something about the way I said it that sound like another word or that Why why don't
Speaker 1:you say it one more time?
Speaker 2:I don't think I want to because you're being very critical
Speaker 1:of it. Well, chat chat Chet's helping you out there. Oh, got it.
Speaker 2:Okay. I'll not say that again. My bad. One time I said something on stream, and it was apparently it was like a a racial slur. I didn't even I've never heard the word in my life.
Speaker 2:I'd never heard it. And I wasn't I don't remember why I said it, but anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Okay. Nobody believes you. Yeah. So they they made a so, yeah, they make I I can't remember how to say it anymore.
Speaker 1:Radics. Radics.
Speaker 2:I've never known how to
Speaker 1:say it. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just
Speaker 1:say all different ways. This is one of those terms I've never had to say out loud. Thought it a million times. I've never said it out loud. I'm just gonna go with Radix.
Speaker 2:Radix is so good by the way. Sorry, Stitches.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. And a lot of their examples were like using Stitches underneath. So I think Stitches nailed the API, like more or less, like 95% of their, it was the right API. Variants, compound variants, all the classic things you need with components. But the runtime implementation was not good.
Speaker 1:And in fact, as of the latest React version, it like doesn't even work and it was effectively a rewrite to get it to work and they chose not to.
Speaker 2:Isn't it abandoned?
Speaker 1:Continue to invest in it. So I was using it around the time when I saw that that was the direction I was going, which is why, we worked on on sit on a on Macron, which is like the API from Citrus, which I like, but no no runtime. Everything happens at compile time. It extracts out static CSS. It's built on top of vanilla extract, which is made by it's just like
Speaker 2:It's made by that guy that makes the memes who used to make the memes, Mark
Speaker 1:Yeah. Mark Deck Gullish. And and I think he, like, co invented CSS modules. So he's like Mhmm. As some he's, like, very pro he's, like obviously very good at CSS, but he also invented this other thing of doing it in TypeScript.
Speaker 1:So I think that like there's some credibility there and that it's not just doing it for the hell of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't know what CSS modules are, by the way. I hear that all the time and I don't
Speaker 1:know what
Speaker 2:it is.
Speaker 1:It's just like importing CSS from a CSS file.
Speaker 2:I mean, why do I need why do I need modules of CSS when I could just have like components and then they have styles on them?
Speaker 1:Where do the styles go?
Speaker 2:On the components.
Speaker 1:But that's that's using Tailwind, right?
Speaker 2:Sorry. I was trying not to say Tailwind because I didn't wanna trigger you.
Speaker 1:No. I'm I'm saying like outside of Tailwind, like, you know, if you're just using normal CSS, you you can organize them into modules and import them as needed.
Speaker 2:I see.
Speaker 1:Anyway, Tailwind is fine. Use it. Just shut up about it, you know.
Speaker 2:I never talk I don't talk about it. I don't think. Do I talk oh, I probably talk it.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking to you. Okay. I'm talking to the general world that just will not shut up about about this
Speaker 2:Was there a recent was there a recent thing? Like, why did you say I hate Tailwind today? Was there a recent is Tailwind back in the news? It's about every other week, isn't it? What what happened?
Speaker 1:Exactly. And I think it it went from like, okay, it's constantly we're talking about it. Then it became this meta thing where we're like, we talk about Tailwind so much, so stupid. But then it's still continuing. I'm just like, okay, it's it's too far now.
Speaker 1:Now I I think it started because Taylor, well, tweeted something like, Tailwind's the only way to do maintainable CSS.
Speaker 2:Did you
Speaker 1:And I was like, this Did
Speaker 2:you argue against it? Yeah. Did you
Speaker 1:No. I just I just don't care. I was like, this this Drew nothing, no no urge for me to respond or anything.
Speaker 2:Except your Twitch title. That's all. That's all. It it just drew you to say, I hate tell.
Speaker 1:That's true. Yeah. I was just like, I don't wanna actually talk about the topic. I just want to say the topic is frigging boring.
Speaker 2:Okay. Can I switch gears? Yes. I know you really you love talking about a tailwind, but there is a a group now of nine people in a Twitter DM. It's a Twitter group of devs who stream on Twitch, they're going to TwitchCon in a couple of months.
Speaker 2:And you know who's not in this?
Speaker 1:Me. I'm not in it.
Speaker 2:You. You suck. Why are you not going to TwitchCon?
Speaker 1:Can you list everyone in it? Is that private?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't I get I mean, I don't think anyone anyone who's going is probably said publicly. Right?
Speaker 1:Who's gonna yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're all like, okay. I'm gonna say who's in it. I hope this isn't bad.
Speaker 1:Okay. Tell me.
Speaker 2:Prime, Bad Cop, Bash Bunny, Begin, like Begin Bot, Trash, Melky, Tawny, Acorn, Trav, Theo, me, and Chris Griffin.
Speaker 1:Wow. What a what
Speaker 2:a crew. It's a bunch of people. It's a crew. We're probably gonna, like, go to dinner or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Something.
Speaker 1:You're gonna be in Vegas.
Speaker 2:You have FOMO, don't you? Oh, you're trying to anti Yep. Reverse FOMO me by pointing out that it's in Vegas. Hey, Vegas. I
Speaker 1:definitely have FOMO, and it's gonna increase when I see all of your pictures.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. There's gonna be some we're gonna post so many pictures. I'm just gonna DM you pictures.
Speaker 1:You don't even stream on Twitch, so you shouldn't even be allowed entry.
Speaker 2:I have streamed my share, sir. It does feel weird going to TwitchCon when I haven't streamed in months. That does feel weird. Has it been months? I don't even know anymore.
Speaker 1:I wait. When is it again? It's in November? October. October.
Speaker 2:Are you considering it? Are you reconsidering? No, I'm not. Come on. What's the killing factor?
Speaker 2:Like, it because Vegas?
Speaker 1:No, it's not it's not well, okay. So there there's like layers of friction. Right? So base level Vegas. Okay.
Speaker 1:I can like get over that like whatever. If I just go for a couple days, I'm gonna have fun. That might most favorite place to go. I wish it was somewhere else that would excite me. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Instead of being like I know. A negative. But
Speaker 2:it's stay in the hotel and who cares?
Speaker 1:Yeah. But it's like, if I'm gonna go on a trip, it would just be nice if it was somewhere I hadn't gone before. Yeah. Fair. A little added bonus.
Speaker 1:Second is, I'm just like in in work mode and I and I like just traveling right now. It just seems
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. It's a distraction. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Also of everyone that you listed on that list, I don't really like any of those people. So that's really the main thing.
Speaker 2:That's not true. I know at least
Speaker 1:a Humans. Few of them that you
Speaker 2:You're you suck.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Have fun at your 12 person dinner where you end up in the corner seat and and you're not gonna able be able to talk to anyone. And you're just gonna be looking at everyone else and you're be like, I wish I got here earlier so I could get the middle seat, but you did. Oh, my word. And now you're at the edge and you can't really hear anyone and you're trying to get a word in and just gonna be
Speaker 2:back. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1:And then you're gonna pay $70 for your dinner and then you're gonna go home, $70 for your dinner which you actually couldn't even eat because there was meat in it. You're gonna go home, order those terrible vegan donuts again, and then slowly eat them over the course of
Speaker 2:next in Vegas, didn't it? Those were some terrible vegan donuts with a capital t. Oh, my word. I mean, like, in the they're good tasting but make you feel awful because they were so sugary. Did you have any of those?
Speaker 2:I don't remember. Did you came to the room.
Speaker 1:I saw you posted pictures and I was like, that doesn't that looks like like a kid's toy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. The way they decorated them. Yeah. I'm definitely gonna get more of them and I'm gonna regret every second of it. Why am I gonna do that to myself?
Speaker 2:Anyway
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, I'm not gonna go. I hope you guys have fun. I know you
Speaker 2:guys have Okay. I'll
Speaker 1:hop on Moe.
Speaker 2:It's fine. No, it's fine, really. It's fine. On behalf of everybody, it's fine.
Speaker 1:It's fine. I'm just trying to make a I just hope this again, React I'm just focused on React Miami. I don't have to travel for that.
Speaker 2:So it's a one time a year you'll be at a conference when it's in
Speaker 1:your backyard. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to like do yeah, exactly. When I can literally walk to it. I'm gonna try to do more just try to like get more people that I wanna see to go this year.
Speaker 1:Because last year, I mean, a lot of people went that I wanted to see but it was kinda like just by coincidence.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna try to go. Before you just start
Speaker 1:What? Begging
Speaker 2:Stop it.
Speaker 1:Tickets are already sold
Speaker 2:Oh, out, stop it. I know the organizers. I know them. I met at Render because I went to Atlanta. I'm just quite the traveler.
Speaker 1:I'm just all over the Look at that. The networker.
Speaker 2:I go to things.
Speaker 1:Rubbing rubbing shoulders as they say.
Speaker 2:I am excited for React Miami. It does seem like there's a lot of momentum behind that conference. And the fact that it's gonna be a party this year, there's gonna be like an element of partying just on purpose, not just as a like side effect.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And the organizer Michelle, like she's she like tries really hard and she like tries to think really hard about what we're doing as opposed to being like, this is a conference, you do x y z. Yeah. Kinda thinking from it about it from ground up. Because like even the city you're in should just impact the whole format of it because if
Speaker 2:it's Yeah. If it doesn't incorporate yeah. That's Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Like it can be widely different based off of where you are. I'm hoping that that works out. I'm trying to get more of the bigger React people to go this year, which will be fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, did big React people not go last year? Who are the big React people?
Speaker 1:No. We had a we had a bunch of like like Kent. Kent C. Dodds was there. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's one of the biggest React people, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. And man, always forget how to pronounce this. Vigeeu Vigeeu Vigeeu the the Gixialedraw guy, he was like React Cortez. Mhmm. Vigeeu.
Speaker 1:Vigeeu. I don't know if he's French but
Speaker 2:Oh, I miss trying to pronounce words that I can't pronounce. That was fun when I streamed.
Speaker 1:I'm laughing because I'm remembering that one time someone made you say something really inappropriate. I actually still remember Was
Speaker 2:it the racial slur that I just mentioned?
Speaker 1:No. It wasn't the racial slur. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Something else?
Speaker 1:It was someone spelled something in a different way.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. I don't yeah. I remember. Stop it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I said it out loud because I read every single message. That's a vulnerability. If you wanna hack my stream, just type anything into the chat and I will read it. Doubleoid still has the clip.
Speaker 1:Another thing I miss is when I when I would just repaste someone else's message over again and it would, like, kinda confuse you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That was annoying. Oh, yeah. I gotta stream again. We had good times.
Speaker 2:But you wouldn't have time. You're probably thankful that I don't stream because you spent all that time in my chat when you should have been working and it was just not a good use of time.
Speaker 1:That is a good point. Maybe I don't want you to stream. Like, my productivity levels are like at a recent high. The past couple years, this past few weeks, recent high in productivity. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What do you chalk all that up to any one thing in particular?
Speaker 1:No. I I don't think I changed anything in my life. I think it was just stuff pulled me in a direction. There's there's a lot of work to do for SST. I mean, we launched a console and we have users now and there's like
Speaker 2:You have users. You have zero users. Now you have users. How's that going? What's it like to have users, Zax?
Speaker 1:It's fun because we get to see all this visibility into how people are using SSD. Before it was kind of a black box, like we had a little bit of telemetry in there but it was just like what commands you ran. Yeah. But we'd like don't, we like didn't know what types of resources are you using. Are you deploying APIs, Next.
Speaker 1:Js sites? Yeah. What are you doing? So now like we're able to poke through all that and it's super interesting. Like, there's like almost a probably almost like a thousand Next.
Speaker 1:Js sites deployed just from the people that signed up. Wow. Yeah. Like the numbers are pretty crazy and we we were also hooking into the metrics in your AWS account so we're we can see how many function invocations you have. So every morning, the first thing I do is I, check because we have a job that runs every night that that computes it.
Speaker 1:Like, I have, like, a ranking of all the companies and and who has the most invocations. Oh,
Speaker 2:I guess that's all private information. Can you take can you say
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I can't share
Speaker 2:it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Can you
Speaker 2:share any numbers or orders of magnitude or I don't know. Something like what's
Speaker 1:Okay. So the there's this interesting dynamic that's happening where so right now, to set up the console, you need to connect your AWS account to us. So you basically give us permission to like look in there. And right now we haven't like tightened up the permission. So it's right now just you give us like full access.
Speaker 1:That sets a ceiling on the type of companies that Yeah. Will just kind of like set it up offhand because, so I I so the numbers aren't crazy right now. Like, they're the highest one is like three or 4,000,000 invocations a day, something like that.
Speaker 2:Oh, sounds like a lot.
Speaker 1:Around $33,000,000 commitment.
Speaker 2:Is it a huge, like, drop off from the top ones to like, is it like a few people do a lot more than everybody else kind
Speaker 1:of thing? There's like the top I would say, if you look at over a million invocations a day, there's like 20, I think. Yeah. Or maybe not maybe less than sorry, not per day. Yep.
Speaker 1:No, sorry. Per day is probably like five that do over a million a but the thing is we know of we know like know personally of customers that do like billions of of invocations a month. But for them, like they can't just add on a tool, like they need to like go through some more formal process to get it approved and and all of that. Yeah. So, we had it's just like we're learning a lot just by looking at at some of this data.
Speaker 1:So like right now we're we're only gonna hit like this mid range tier of like range from like hobby projects to like smaller companies that don't have like a ton of overhead. So that there's always gonna be a limit there and we were like looking through and because we're looking through the data because we're trying to figure out our pricing model because we wanna do it, usage based. Yeah, we concluded that it doesn't make sense to charge this tier of people like a ton to try to maximize the revenue because Yeah. Most of it's gonna come from the people that need like a more involved process to to onboard with the That makes sense. We we built the whole and this is a really great pattern that I think more companies should follow.
Speaker 1:Our app is just an SST app. Right? So it mostly if you do sc deploy the console Uh-huh. That's how we deploy it. You theoretically could just clone the repo and do the same thing.
Speaker 1:There's a little bit of a configuration that we need to remove or like to make it so it doesn't depend on certain things because it doesn't make sense for self hosting. But the idea is you can like easily spin up a version of the console in your own account. And for these bigger companies, that's really what's gonna have to happen. Oh. They just don't trust
Speaker 2:They're not gonna hand over their account. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It just makes the conversation harder. Like, they probably will with enough talking and documents and all this stuff. Yeah yeah yeah. But a nice thing that we can literally say, okay, just clone the repo and do SC deploy in your own dedicated Wiz account and then
Speaker 2:They have their own console.
Speaker 1:Just pay us. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Like, so it's so we call this there's been a lot of different so it the history is has been like a fully hosted version or like an on premise version.
Speaker 1:And usually the on premise version was like, like there's a lot of work for you to sell because they have to learn how to like operate your software. Like, oh, it's a container, it needs a database and like you need to spin up Kubernetes, all this stuff. But because our stuff is just built using native AWS tools, self hosting is like very little work. Like
Speaker 2:it Yeah. Just It's just kind of
Speaker 1:runs on Lambda. Yeah. You don't you don't have to scale anything. You don't have to, like, really worry about much. We did use planet scale, that's the one thing where we have to like fall back to RDS.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But that's not a big deal. So yeah, self hosting becomes very easy and it's great for the customer because like no overhead in self hosting. It's great for us because now we can get these bigger enterprise type deals but, you know, it's not like the code base doesn't have to like drastically vary. So it's a great
Speaker 2:model I think.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's awesome. Like there's lot of software I would love to self host but I just don't because I don't wanna like manage a container for it, you know?
Speaker 2:Interesting. Yeah. It's it's just they it's just like their app. They deploy it just like they deploy their own app. It's a it's a it's an SST app.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So we're trying to figure all that out and I we're probably gonna launch I think we're gonna launch billing today. Oh. So. Billing.
Speaker 1:Hopefully
Speaker 2:So you can start making money.
Speaker 1:More than $0.
Speaker 2:More than $0. Yeah. You got more than zero users. Hopefully. Hopefully making more than $0.
Speaker 2:Startup stuff's hard.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:But it's worth it, To figure out. So worth it.
Speaker 1:I think so. I mean, I I really enjoy it. Like this this past week, we just had so many discussions on just pricing and strategy and I just really thinking through all this stuff and
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I find that really really fun and rewarding. I think another interesting stat is, I think so far we've launched it's been like two weeks I think and we've have like 700 AWS accounts connected so far. Wow. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Hey. Do you have any like you've been head down building. But do you have any new thoughts like a little check-in on the, broader startup ecosystem, the post free money environment that we're in? Like, have there been any developments?
Speaker 2:How do you feel about the outlook for startups?
Speaker 1:I think there's been the interesting thought I had yesterday was, so there there's there's like this fallacy that exists in two extremes, right? There's the startup that never has any business model and they just try to grow grow grow grow grow. And they realize one day like, okay, we grew a bunch but this doesn't make any sense. Then there's the opposite extreme which is also bad where you just focus on like revenue way too early and you never really find a product that can be huge because you like just kind of limit yourself. So I think so obviously we were at one extreme, like the no business model extreme.
Speaker 1:But now I'm seeing people swing to the other extreme where they're like trying to because everyone's like worried about money and want to become sustainable. They're like really focused on getting more dollars out from people before their product is is like hyper growing, like before they really found product market fit. I think that's kind of the reason startups and VCs exist is so that you can buy time to turn the revenue on after a couple years of experimenting and find something that really hits. So I feel like people aren't threading that well where now they're just way too focused on revenue. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And there's lot of pressure like we ourselves feel it and like we are more focused on it than we were. But like you if you get into the mode where you're like trying to squeeze more money out of people when you're still like a pre product fit com market fit company, it's like you're like squeezing more money out of like 200 people. Yeah. You know, it's like, this doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 2:And you and like from a VC's perspective, the whole goal is for these big wins. Like, they're they're hoping for the the, you know, earn their whole fund back wins. And if if startups are generally doing this in their portfolio, I would think they'll they'll not like that. They'll shift the the strategic thinking towards the other end.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's a weird time. I don't know. Like yeah. I think VCs are also confused.
Speaker 1:Not that they were ever not confused.
Speaker 2:It did like, companies like Uber, when you talk about the other end of the spectrum, like, where companies just grow, grow, grow before they ever figure out the money side. Like, Uber, it sounds like they didn't know the business model, but did they ever become profitable? Like, I think of giant companies like that. Is Uber profitable?
Speaker 1:So I actually don't put Uber in this category. I think they had a very straightforward business model and it actually all made sense. They had they had their first profitable quarter
Speaker 2:this year
Speaker 1:or something.
Speaker 2:So they finally did, yeah, figure out the economics of it. Yeah. It's a different thing than what you're talking about. You're talking about companies that just like, there's no idea about how we're gonna make money, but they they grow and blow it out and then try and find a business model later.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like like, fundamentally, it doesn't make sense. Like like so in Uber's case, they didn't have to spend as much money as they did to get to where they were. I think I think someone like looked at that profitable quarter and they like mapped it out and they were like I think they said if they continue to be profitable at this rate, it's gonna take them like thirty or forty years to break even on the amount of money they've spent.
Speaker 2:Was that mostly because of competition like with Lyft? They're just trying to win space so they had to be so aggressive or
Speaker 1:Just like, did they have so many engineers? Like crazy crazy burn rates. They had a whole like self driving car division. They had like flying car division. I don't if you remember No.
Speaker 2:The fly they had a flying car division? They were gonna make flying cars? Yeah.
Speaker 1:They had, like, a division for that. They were, like, in all these countries that they kind of got booted out of just because like you can't really operate freely in certain countries. So there's like a lot of waste and obviously it's only clear in hindsight. Some of it, you know, obviously like flying cars maybe obvious in the moment as well but yeah, like they didn't like the model worked because like ultimately taxi companies work where like there's a taxi company that employs that has drivers and that whole model works. At scale, it should have been even better but they just spent way more money than they needed to.
Speaker 1:I think now they've like paired everything back, they've raised prices to a place that, is more sustainable. I still think they're way too big probably but Although, also Uber Eats does really, really well.
Speaker 2:Oh, really?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So they're not they're like, they're just like a weird example of like, that could have been a much healthier company but it just wasn't Sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm stuck on this. That little nugget you just pulled out, that little Uber Eats does really well, like, you where do you do you, like, read the Wall Street Journal? Like, where do you hear these kind
Speaker 1:of things? Like Well, that one is a weird one because we Back when I worked in at a company that did, like, company did medical transportation, Uber was like a really close partner. So I'd always be talking with people there and they would just tell me random information like Uber Eats and how much money it's making and all of that. So yeah. And I and I use it all the time too so
Speaker 2:I mean, I yeah. Whenever I travel, I'm big on the Uber Eats.
Speaker 1:And everyone's always referencing it. It's like become the default way to describe food delivery. I think some people say DoorDash.
Speaker 2:The the the problem for me with, like, food delivery that nobody seems to talk about is that it's always a little cold. It's not cold, but it's like It sucks. It's not like eating the meal right after it was made. Is there a solution to this?
Speaker 1:I think somebody somebody I'm gonna make up numbers, but they're roughly they're like directionally correct. I was told that slight you know that delivery company Slice? Have you heard
Speaker 2:of No.
Speaker 1:They're like Uber Eats just for pizza. All they do is pizza places and that's their entire focus called Slice.
Speaker 2:The slice of the market even, you might say.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's something like pizza is still like 60 plus percent of all food delivery.
Speaker 2:I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Okay. And they they only dropped like 10% after all these like Uber Eats and DoorDash and all these things came out because it's like one of the only foods that like just travels well and is cheap and like reliable. There's so few places I am like happy to get delivery from. I you might have the same experience but like over the past couple of years Liz has gotten like insanely insanely good at cooking and now most food especially delivery just feels terrible, like just compared to it just like tastes like garbage. Even when we go out a lot of times we're like, this was like not worth it, you know?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So my bar on what's acceptable yeah, my bar on what's acceptable just has gone up a lot and yeah, very like not a lot of food travels well at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, those vegan donuts in Vegas, they traveled pretty well, but they were mostly plastic, I think. They were Yeah. Those were they literally were children's toys, I think. Just coated with sugar.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Those could have been delivered like a hundred years late and then been completely
Speaker 2:Those would never decay. Was it was that was in, like, a documentary or something. Right? Didn't maybe that was in the Supersize Me. They, like at the end of the documentary, they they took, like, a McDonald's burger and put it in, like, this glass jar.
Speaker 2:And then they put, like, a like a mom and pop cafe burger next to it and fries too maybe. I don't know. And they watched them decay like time lapse. And like the McDonald's burger never decayed. It just sat there and the other one like turned into mold and wheat.
Speaker 2:It was crazy.
Speaker 1:So the so McDonald's one is better is what
Speaker 2:you're saying. Guess so. Yeah. And the life giving properties of like anti aging. I mean, you will never decompose basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah. There you go.
Speaker 2:You heard it here first. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But anyway, what were we talking about? We're talking about how Uber before Uber, we're talking about just companies that
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. You're saying you don't put Uber in that category. Like, who is there a company you will throw under the bus and put in that
Speaker 1:category publicly? Do do you remember Fast? I think
Speaker 2:they were called Fast.
Speaker 1:Wait. It's, like, instant checkout.
Speaker 2:The no. It wasn't Fast, was it? Know I what you're talking about. The instant checkout.
Speaker 1:Bolts. Bolts. Bolts. The founder
Speaker 2:was, like, you just really if you've ever disliked somebody publicly, it was that founder. What a guy. What a guy.
Speaker 1:He was the one that had that picture. Do you remember his profile picture?
Speaker 2:Was he like, meditating?
Speaker 1:Was like, really No. No. No. This one, it was like his face. He had like a crazy face.
Speaker 1:I was like It was like a weirdly professional photo but he was like looking and the camera was pointing down at him and it just was very, very annoying photo. And he was always posting all this like founder insights.
Speaker 2:I'm such a business He was just like such a meme of San Francisco or of not San Francisco, of like, Silicon Valley founder culture.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And that company like never made any money because it just did not make any sense at all. Yeah. So there's yeah. I think those types of companies, I don't know if we'll ever see those come back.
Speaker 1:A lot of people made money starting those types of companies and exiting somehow. But
Speaker 2:Good for them. Good for them.
Speaker 1:It just sucks that we're stuck with them now. Like, the people that did that and failed, they're wiped out, we'll never see them again, really, they're not gonna annoy us. But the the the There's probably like 50 people that did stuff like that and made money and now they're just gonna be pouring their insights out on us for like the next thirty years.
Speaker 2:They've they've successfully exited a company. They've got stuff to share. Yeah. The world is so random. Basically take nothing at face value.
Speaker 2:Is that what you're saying? Or is that just my conclusion?
Speaker 1:My my main point is that you should just shut up about Tailwind. That's really that's really I'm sorry. All This is all I'm gonna stop talking about Tailwind. If you're listening, spread the spread the word. If you talk about Tailwind, I'm gonna come after you.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure how we got there. But okay. Fair enough. It's just so good. It's so nice.
Speaker 2:I don't I don't know what your problem it is.
Speaker 1:I don't have a problem with it. It's just it's just like, it's just fine. Do you really
Speaker 2:love I'm
Speaker 1:trying to think of like
Speaker 2:I I really honestly, I do. Do you want me to go into the reasons why?
Speaker 1:No, I don't.
Speaker 2:If you never if you never heard why Tailwind is good, do I need to tell you?
Speaker 1:Oh my god. You know, you know what this is like? This is like buying a really nice handmade Italian sports car and you're like, I I just love the the space in the trunk. It's just like if you focus on some random detail of like, oh, the the floor mats are like amazing. Like, everyone needs to get these floor mats.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love it. So you're just saying well, because you view things I think some people would say I mean, styling is a big part of the front end, but you don't view things from a front end perspective. You you've got the whole project in one repo. I mean, you're you're very full stack to the like, as much as anyone is full stack, you're a full stack dev. You work on the infrastructure, you know, whatever, all the way down to the CSS.
Speaker 2:So it is a tiny part of what you do. But for some people, I'm imagining, I don't know, front end developers, it's like they write markup and they style it. And so it's like half of their job.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, the the classic thing that people respond to me hearing me say this is like, oh, you you just don't think front end is important. Like, don't think it matters but it doesn't matter. US is important. But this past two months, I've mostly been writing front end. Like I've been doing a ton of front end, ton of styling.
Speaker 1:We've been building a product from zero. Like most of the work was design work and getting things styled right and looking right and feeling right. I care a lot about it. I am happy with the tools that I use. I think most of my pain comes from making a good product that like looks good.
Speaker 1:Like the Yeah. How I literally style and do it like there's there's like five good options to do that now and Tailwind is one of them. So I'm just like, I I have okay, we will like we're happy. Aren't we happy? Shouldn't we be happy now?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like, are we still talking about this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It is odd.
Speaker 1:Would you still be talking about this as much if you were happy? I don't know.
Speaker 2:And I don't know one person. I'm not trying to call anybody out. It is odd though that it does continue to be a topic that we will forever discuss. I like, is it just something about the polarization of it? Like, the the fact that it has some of these traits that people latch onto and freak out, like, in lines it looks like inline styles.
Speaker 2:Like, is that the reason that we still talk about it?
Speaker 1:My theory with the reason that these stupid things draw so much passion, I said I posted this the other day. The only explanation I can come up with for this is, people work at companies where this is not consensus. So they want to use Tailwind or they wanna use whatever and maybe like 70% of the company agrees but there's a kind of annoying 30% that's holding out. And you can't like really yell at your coworkers in this way. So I think it just comes out online where whenever someone is like, I don't like Tailwind, all these people that are upset at their coworkers are not enemies telling me are like, I'm gonna get my my anger out on this person.
Speaker 1:That's my only explanation for it. If that's not it, I gave everyone a reasonable reason for being this way. Okay. There's a reasonable reason. If that's not why you're that way, there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 2:That's your only out. Bex just gave you your one escape.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Alright. I've got a cold and I need to pee. So I've got a lot of things working against me here. A lot of things that wanna come out of my body.
Speaker 1:What order are you gonna do them in?
Speaker 2:I don't know actually. I'll probably pee first. It's a little more pressing. This just got weird. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe we don't include this in the podcast for our poor listeners.
Speaker 1:No. Include it. Adam is gonna pee then blow.
Speaker 2:Okay. Fine. You know what? Include it. I'm gonna pee then blow.
Speaker 2:You don't shorten it to blow. That just sounds like doing a drug, I think. I think. It sounds familiar. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Saw it on TV works. Episode 50 in the books. 50 of them. Half a 100. That's not a way that you refer to 50.
Speaker 2:Nope. Half what am I thinking of?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm I'm just realizing our our very important milestone fiftieth episode is gonna be about Tailwind and I just did the and I just did it to myself.
Speaker 2:You're part of the problem.
Speaker 1:You're part I of the can't stop either.
Speaker 2:Alright. Well, congratulations on Twitch partner. I can't believe I just now learned it by looking at your name on Twitch and seeing the little purple check. Did you announce it in any think
Speaker 1:you already knew this. You just forgot.
Speaker 2:Like, you didn't tell me.
Speaker 1:I did. I I tweeted l o l. I got Twitch partner last week and I didn't notice.
Speaker 2:I didn't see that tweet, honestly.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe it was when you were disappeared.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah. I'm not on I don't see all your tweets anymore because I don't get on Twitter every day. I missed it. There you go. You didn't DM it to me though, did you?
Speaker 1:No. I didn't DM you.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. That's okay. Should we pretend to end the recording and then continue talking? Because that's when all the good content comes out after we everything interesting we say happens after we stop the podcast.
Speaker 1:Okay. So let's say bye.
Speaker 2:Okay. See you.
Speaker 1:See you. And then we look at chat.
Speaker 2:Talk to chat. Transcoding. Just never stop recording. We'll just never stop. We'll just go forever to actually go leave your stream up.
Speaker 2:You can't turn off the stream.
Speaker 1:Adam, you didn't you didn't see that tweet because I tweeted it only to to my circle.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, I'm not in your circle, you jerked. Just kidding. Oh,
Speaker 1:you're Nice. That was Paul. I just I just I just sold Pete Bertrand's shirt. That's good. AJ's here.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm gonna talk to AJ tomorrow on
Speaker 2:Very exciting. Yeah. What are guys gonna talk about?
Speaker 1:We're gonna record with AJ. I'm gonna talk about how AJ is a crazy person and we shouldn't trust anything he says because he literally jumps off of bridges. What? Literally jumps off of bridges.
Speaker 2:Like functioning bridges?
Speaker 1:You haven't seen AJ's videos of him base jumping?
Speaker 2:Have I seen this, AJ? You base jump?
Speaker 1:He does backflips off of bridges.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess if you show you might have showed me at Reinvent. Did you have a video at Reinvent, AJ AJ? It's sort of familiar. How often, AJ? Are you like
Speaker 1:One thing I love about the videos is you can tell he's like a pro and very confident in his own a bunch of times. So he's like pretty like calm. But despite that, you can still see the hell yeah, I'm still alive, like, kinda in his voice.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, that's gotta be every time you do something like that.
Speaker 1:Even people who jump out of
Speaker 2:planes all the time, right? They've surely gotta have like a moment of I'm on the ground.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You've never done anything like that, have you? Any kind of thrill seeking?
Speaker 1:Never done base jumping. No.
Speaker 2:Have you ever jumped out of a plane? Yeah. You You've gone Skydiving?
Speaker 1:But strapped but strapped to someone else. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Are you serious?
Speaker 1:A long time ago.
Speaker 2:Have we talked about this?
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a big deal. I think a lot of people do that. It's like not
Speaker 2:that unique. I think it is a big deal. I think jumping out of a plane is a big deal.
Speaker 1:You're just strapped to somebody else and it's just this weird thing.
Speaker 2:So why why did you have to be strapped to somebody else? You couldn't you didn't have
Speaker 1:I thought the rule was
Speaker 2:You weren't tall enough you're cross Does it align?
Speaker 1:No. I was tall enough. In fact, I was too tall. Just kidding. What
Speaker 2:was it like to know that that person, like, that they they had your life in their hands? If they didn't pull that cord, you were just you were gone.
Speaker 1:People have my life in their hands all the time. When I take an Uber, that person has their
Speaker 2:life Okay. In their Uber, a pilot in the plane. Yeah. Pilot. Although you don't ever fly anywhere because you're a jerk and you won't come to Hey.
Speaker 1:I switched to New Jersey and I came back.
Speaker 2:You did.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute. I
Speaker 2:thought you were too busy to travel. You
Speaker 1:But that's that's why. I I I have, like I have to allocate my travel to things I can't say
Speaker 2:no care about oh. You can't say no joke. I I understand that. Obligations. I get it.
Speaker 1:You can do an eight hour ground course and jump solo right away. Yes. Okay. So I think I can do an eight hour ground course. That's
Speaker 2:that's course? Like, you learn for eight hours on the ground how to jump off a base a base what? No.
Speaker 1:No. No. No. How to jump off of out of an airplane. Then you can do your first jump can mix
Speaker 2:it up. Oh, out of a I gotcha. Wait a minute. Why is it called base jumping? What is a base?
Speaker 1:It's an acronym. It's a what is the acronym? Building antenna spanners.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. What? Oh, those are the different things. The four objects you can jump from. An antenna?
Speaker 2:Like on top of the Empire State Building? Is that an antenna?
Speaker 1:Wait, hang on. Have you Okay. So, you know, when I used to live in New York, I lived right by the New World Trade Center and before it opened, a bunch of people climbed, snuck in, climbed to the top and jumped off of it and they landed like, on the street where I lived at like, in the middle of the night. What? And And you see them land in front of this taxi, and I bet I'm always like, that taxi driver was just like, what the hell just happened?
Speaker 2:They I guess parachutes, that's how you base jump with the parachute. Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's high enough. I I feel like don't you have to be a certain height above the earth to use a parachute reliably or no?
Speaker 1:There's definitely a minimum height, but it's not that high because you hit terminal velocity pretty quick with the parachute. That's the whole point. Right?
Speaker 2:I don't know what the
Speaker 1:whole He just says he jumped as low as a 120 feet.
Speaker 2:Oh my word. Are you serious? And a parachute works at a 120 feet.
Speaker 1:Three iron workers. Oh, oh, they were oh, interesting. Were they working on the World Trade Center? Because I always wondered how they got up there, like how they knew how to get up there. I'll I'll share the video later.
Speaker 1:It is really insane just to just to do that. And they got arrested and they got in trouble and and and all of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I
Speaker 1:bet. Definitely worth it.
Speaker 2:Man, you guys are crazy. I don't have the thrill seeking genes.
Speaker 1:Me neither.
Speaker 2:Like the ground.
Speaker 1:AJ's crazy.
Speaker 2:I don't
Speaker 1:even like flying. I like the ground too.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Flying sucks. You think every time you get on a plane you like imagine it going down?
Speaker 1:I used to be really afraid of terrorists.
Speaker 2:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1:That was like the source of my fear. I never really worried about a plane crashing really. But I mean, of course, I feel relieved when it lands. Yeah. It's I love I love flying to Miami or like leaving whatever.
Speaker 1:Like, I'm on
Speaker 2:a plane with a bunch
Speaker 1:of people from Miami, people get like people are like pretty religious and like the when we were, leaving to go to New Jersey and we landed, the woman was, doing, like, the Jesus thing. I don't know I know what this is called where you go, like, the cross thing. Yeah. Was that called something?
Speaker 2:Were you like I think it is, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Okay. She was, like, doing that as we as we as we landed.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. I mean, that's the moment. It's just like when I think about being that high up in the air and being in a metal tube going that fast, I don't know. It's just hard not to think about it going wrong. Like, so many things that could go wrong.
Speaker 2:I hate flying.
Speaker 1:Have you seen those? So the smallest private jet you can buy, I think, it's called a Cirrus something. It has a parachute in it.
Speaker 2:Oh, for the plane?
Speaker 1:For the plane. For the plane. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's light enough that the parachute can stop it from
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it's been I think so I know it's definitely been deployed once ever. It for some Walmart executive, he was flying and he had to do it and and it saved him. Yeah. And I think recently it got deployed one more time.
Speaker 1:I think it was in the past couple of months.
Speaker 2:Wow. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's definitely a crazy feat of engineering. But if I ever have a plane one day, it's gonna be that one because
Speaker 2:So my brother is a, like, a commercial airline pilot for Delta.
Speaker 1:Alright.
Speaker 2:He told me that, like, they there's a certain kind of play if you ever get a plane, like, wanna be a private pilot, you want a single engine. People that are, like, doctors and lawyers that can afford a plane and they get, like, a dual prop plane. They think like two engines safer than one. They call those doctor killers or lawyer killers.
Speaker 1:I've heard that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. One engine goes out and it's like a death spiral and they don't know how to recover. They're not experienced enough pilots. So you want one with just a single, like, a single engine in the front if you're getting a small plane.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:Just for those listening that might, you know, wanna buy a plane someday.
Speaker 1:It's always like the doctor and his family and their dog. That's like always a story.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. The dog? I know what you're talking about. I've heard that story.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's always like the dog. There's all the dog's always there.
Speaker 2:So listen, I realized the the the problem with this plan where we stay on after we we don't hit the button is I still have to pee. And, also, I feel like we still knew it was recording because this still wasn't any good. And and now we've we've over promised. People thought, oh, this is gonna be good stuff. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't like I feel like we're a lot looser, a little more maybe we say things we shouldn't say.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I've got a jujitsu takedown seminar tomorrow. I'm gonna be learning some takedowns for, like, three hours in the morning.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:Sorry. I'll be throwing people to the ground.
Speaker 1:Is that when you is that when you insult each other? Oh, it's me to throw each other down.
Speaker 2:Like, you suck. No. You suck. Oh, man. I think I have tennis elbow, by the way, in both elbows.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that what that is?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like Oh my god. From getting arm barred. I thought I'd just been chalking up my left elbow pain to unarm barred, but then I realized, oh, my right one hurts just as bad. And it turns out, tennis elbow, very common with jujitsu because you're using your arms in so many ways, like planking on them and, like, just gripping really hard.
Speaker 2:All these different things you're doing that your elbow is not really getting that strain in everyday life. So it's pretty painful.
Speaker 1:Are you gonna, like, become stronger in these ways doing this, or is it just gonna deteriorate you more?
Speaker 2:Is this gonna be nagging injuries? Yeah. Am I gonna, like, slide into my forties half decrepit, not able to move around the house? I don't know. I hope that I'm gonna, like, adapt and be stronger.
Speaker 2:But I don't know. I should look it up. At my age, I turn hey, my birthday is Sunday.
Speaker 1:I really do have to pee. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, you knew that. You just knew that.
Speaker 1:You told me last time. Oh, okay. I put it in my calendar.
Speaker 2:Oh, you put it in your calendar. Wait. When's your birthday? Oh, do you wanna share your birthday? I don't know if you wanna share
Speaker 1:your birthday. No. I don't wanna share my I'll tell you in private.
Speaker 2:Tell me in private.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, everyone knows because I think people talked about it last year. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Whatever. It's a privacy thing. I understand that now. Too late. I already said well, you don't know when this was recorded except everyone in Twitch chat right now.
Speaker 2:You guys know my birthday now.
Speaker 1:This was recorded August 17. Stop it. Oh, I
Speaker 2:love it. Alright.
Speaker 1:I'll see you next Alright.
Speaker 2:See you. Bye.
