Worrying about Data Privacy, Dax's Neighbor, and Having Fun on Twitter
You know what living in the city is like? Everyone is, like, showing thighs all day.
Adam:Oh, really? Okay. Well, the Ozarks don't
Adam:know what to they don't
Adam:know what's coming. My my thighs are coming out.
Dax:You might just always look washed out by comparison.
Adam:It's possible. I might just be a washed out person.
Dax:Then just by comparison, you know.
Adam:Oh, by compares, I see. Yeah. You got really good color. You did a really good job getting your your audio visual set up.
Dax:You think so? Because I I feel like Liz complains that I look too orange. And I'm like, that just reminds me of Trump and I'm like, I don't wanna look too orange. But I like the way it looks so
Adam:I think it looks great. I like the color scheme you got going on behind you, like the purple.
Dax:Yeah. The hues. And that little green LED light.
Adam:Yeah. A little tiny speck. I've got the green light behind me and it just makes everything so green because Sony cameras already lean green. Even with like white balance correction, it just already leans green. So I really need to get a different light behind me.
Adam:It needs to be like white or something neutral. So
Dax:I've tried because with this lamp, I tried a bunch of different colors and when I tried green, it looked really freaky. Like I looked like an alien.
Adam:Yeah. So
Dax:Yeah. I
Adam:can definitely see that. I'm gonna jump in. How do you feel about privacy? How do you feel about data privacy? Like do you worry about your data being out there?
Dax:Man, this is a complicated topic because I think all of us on like a gut feeling, it feels weird. It's like your stuff is out there and it's like, it feels kind of invasive. Yeah. But it is just a big trade off we all make to get certain features and functionality and convenience out of like when you like products get better when they know a lot more about you and your experience a lot of things gets better. I will say though that I recently went in the other direction, not for privacy reasons but for kind of practical reasons.
Dax:So this trade off might not be as necessary as we think so. So I have a ton of home automation stuff in my house. Prior, I was running that all through Google's platform.
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:And it just turns out Google's platform sucks. Like, I couldn't do much, like stuff with it was always like kind of janky and, you know, like, it just like wasn't a great setup. And I switched to a completely open source self hosted platform and I have like a physical device in my house now that's like an open source thing. Runs on a Raspberry Pi. And it is like a thousand times better in every single, like every single dimension, it is just better.
Dax:Like it just overall, it just crushes Google Yeah. Same thing they were trying to do. And all the networking happens locally, like 90% of it, like the voice assistant stuff still has to go through cloud but, you know, the device themselves communicate all locally, and it all just works entirely better. So I think in that case, like the cloud remote setup that we're used to for most products is actually worse because it's all around orchestrating stuff in your house. Yeah.
Dax:But, yeah, like there's just you know, it's it's it's a tough thing. I don't know. Like, do you worry about it at all?
Adam:No. I wanna say on the the local, like, you do the home automation stuff local. We moved to all local cameras.
Dax:Mhmm.
Adam:Like, we had a bunch of Ring cameras that were Internet enabled. We went to, like, these Unifi, Ubiquiti, whatever There's really cameras, and we have, like, local storage. Yeah. It's so much better. Like, just not having to go out on the Internet and come back to our phones, like, we're just viewing it all locally, it's it's way better.
Adam:And we record it into, like, storage here in my closet. So that that I have noticed is a lot better. But in terms of data privacy, I don't really think about it much. And I guess, like, I think of all the activity I do on the Internet, I don't care. Who knows?
Adam:That's not sensitive information. I don't like that my address. Like, it feels like that kind of stuff leaks out and is everywhere. I don't like that kind of stuff. Like, I don't want people knowing where I live.
Adam:But in terms of, like, I went to this site and then Google knows I went to that site, I don't care. Who cares? Why do people care so much about this? Like, I don't want I mean, it's a privilege thing. Is it just a privilege thing?
Adam:Like, are people being exploited?
Dax:I just think it's like, at at our core, it maybe feels if you, like, really sit and think about it, like, somebody at Google technically can go and see every place I've been to. And if they're there's like this crazy weird scenario where you have like some malicious actor and maybe something can happen or like on a base level, it just feels weird to house all this information about yourself to some people. So I think it starts just at the core. Like, it's getting emotional, like, this feels wrong, which I definitely understand. And then there's like, obviously, potential for abuse, etcetera.
Dax:Yeah. I actually don't think many of us, the vast majority of us that have ever suffered any kind of abuse. I think it's still pretty theoretical. But yeah, for me, there's just so many good features I get. Like I have Google Maps, locations returned on and I've had I've had it turned on for like a deck, like so long, like years and years and years and years now.
Dax:So Google knows exactly every single spot I've been to, like, basically almost my whole adult life. But it's so cool because I can go back and, like, look at all this stuff. Me and Liz did a funny thing where we, like, looked back to see if our paths ever crossed, like, before we, like, officially met. Cause she didn't have it turned on, but we, like, looked through her photos to see where she was. Yeah.
Dax:And there were, like, times where I was in Miami and we were trying to figure out, like, where she was and, we it doesn't seem like we actually did, but, like, there's just, like, cool stuff like that. That's, like, a little it's, like, sentimental that I that I like and it does require forking over this stuff. Yeah. But yeah, it doesn't it doesn't really bother me. I don't really think about it.
Dax:I just like just like there's like so many things in life that are like technically weird or scary and like 99% of the time we're just not thinking about it.
Adam:Yeah. No. I I guess like I I guess I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth. I'm a little bit torn because at the same time, I do hate how easy it is to find information about me, like, where I live
Dax:Mhmm.
Adam:On the Internet, like, data aggregation or whatever. I think it's more of the, like, cookies and, like, accepting like, I just don't care who's tracking my online activity. Like, there's nothing I'm doing that's, like, I'm gonna be embarrassed that that, like, Google employees they're gonna get really bored, like, when they when they look at what I'm doing. And so I don't the the whole, like, GDPR and that whole topic, I feel like that's less about, like, your physical privacy, like, security stuff, and more about like your online presence. I don't know.
Adam:Is that is that inaccurate?
Dax:No. I don't think it's inaccurate. I think yeah. I think there's a difference between someone taking your personal information and making it public for everyone to see like those stupid, like, public white pages sites that just have everyone's address. Those Yep.
Dax:They probably scrape from like a bunch of random registries and stuff like, I'm sure like your car registry is public or something and your address is there and they probably put it all together. That's stupid. I don't even know why that's a thing that's allowed. Like if we're going after companies that are using your data just internally, like we should be going after companies that are like publishing your data publicly. Like that's definitely not good.
Dax:But I feel the same way, like, yes, there's a potential for abuse, like, as long as there is the ability someone will do it and some percentage of people will suffer or something. Probably very small. Yeah. The companies are very incentivized to make sure that that doesn't happen. I'm sure stuff subs through.
Dax:I'm sure they have like moments of, you know, they do the wrong thing. But overall, I do feel like it's it's fine. So a lot of this compliance stuff I have a tough time with because I think you said it a of it's like theater. Like, so a lot of my work has been in the health care health care space. And there's so much of this like compliance theater thing that happens.
Dax:Like everyone just knows you need to
Adam:be HIPAA compliant, you need to be
Dax:SOC two compliant. Everyone's, like, feigning concern over it and pretending like, every time you do business with a vendor, they're, like, act all serious about HIPAA compliance or, like, people will, like, say random rules from it, like, they know what it means. Everyone's kind of, like, proud to, like, under quote unquote understand the literal definition of like some of the the HIPAA compliance stuff. But then just spend one day at any company, you just see a million places where data just flying over all the place. Like in practice, like it doesn't do anything.
Dax:Like people are
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:Like taking screenshots and like posting them on Slack. But wait, Slack isn't HIPAA compliant and then they're just like Right. In practice, it doesn't really do anything. But everyone acts all serious about it and it feels like, okay, as long as we're all acting all serious about it, we're like actually doing something. But you're not actually doing something because most companies aren't really even in the healthcare space, a vast majority of companies are not following good, like, security engineering practices.
Dax:It's not like it's just like good practices make sense for every company. It's not like, oh, healthcare companies need to do this extra thing that other companies don't. And most companies just don't do that well because it's like an afterthought especially when you're early on. So yeah, the whole like pretending about I just like hate stuff like that. It's just like so waste of energy.
Dax:Yeah. And and like all this like legalese and lawyers, all this effort goes into literally doing nothing and I just like really.
Adam:Yeah. In practice, like, we still don't have any privacy. And it just feels like it it yeah. It feels made up. I don't know.
Adam:I I get that there's probably good things that have come out of it. I know I said stuff publicly and people came at me for knocking the EU and GDPR and, like, maybe good things have come of it. But I don't know. It feels like I still don't have data privacy and I don't know if I care that much but
Dax:Yeah. It's it's funny because your tweet just hit way too many like third rails or whatever they call it. Like, it's like you said the word capitalism which is gonna draw a bunch of people that reflexively like freak out whenever they say Oh, that
Adam:I did say that, did I?
Dax:Then you criticized Europe, which is just gonna upset some portion of people. Then you see the word privacy, which is just again, I again, maybe more cynical view, but I I also think people that are like really obsessed about it are also pretending. I think it's like almost like, it's almost like role play. They're like, I'm someone that cares about privacy and I like host everything locally and I'm like a super cool hacker, like, yeah, I'm like, I'm not you can't exploit me. There's like that angle to it.
Dax:So I think you just hit like a crazy trifecta of stuff that just really attracts like the wrong type of person.
Adam:Yeah. I in retrospect, it was a dumb tweet. I was just like, was a cookie banner. I was just annoyed at like the state of the web. I wasn't like making any big political claims.
Adam:I was just frustrated. And I tweeted a thing and then, yeah, people came at me over all kinds of stuff. I do I do know people who are really extreme about privacy, and they're not on Twitter talking. Yeah. Exactly.
Adam:Like They're not, like, responding to tweets.
Dax:Yeah. There's like a there's like a fakeness to it when you're like on Twitter acting really serious about privacy. Yeah. The I mean, I do think about weird weird the cookie banner thing because I cannot believe the years of effort that went into for the end result to just make the web a little bit shittier. I'm sure hypothetically, it can get better like if there is like a standard in the browser and like you set it there and then websites don't have to ask you per website.
Dax:But literally all that effort today, all it's just showing up as a stupid pop up that is just the most annoying thing ever. And I think about it all the time, right? We're so blind to this. You go to grocery stores or you go to like any place, there's fine print on literally everything. Literally everything has tiny print printed on it.
Dax:It is not changing anything about the world. Nobody is getting any information about the fine print. It's never saving someone. It's never making someone more aware of something. It's just an end result of lawyers lawyering.
Dax:And technically, you have to do something and that something is now there's like little text printed on everything and it's just like stupid and makes the world worse and doesn't actually Yeah. Change anything at all. And it's it's like we're so blind to it but if you're really sit down and think about it, there's like so much like nonsense everywhere that is just a result of but we had to say we did something. You know?
Adam:Yeah. I mean, I I get, like, people trying. And I I think, like, maybe people in Europe felt like I was slamming them when they're actually making an effort. I just think, I'm gonna make a better effort. I gotta say, because I know people are gonna come at you after they hear you say that, there is more than the cookie banner.
Adam:The cookie banner may not even be part of GDPR. I don't know. Maybe a separate dumb thing that was enacted. But, like, the you can ask people to delete your information and they have to delete it. Cool.
Adam:I guess, like, that's a part of it.
Dax:And I think the other issue I have is, like, some of these things are so devoid of any technical practicality. Like GDPR is, like, of such a comp I don't think again, I don't think there's a single company in the world compliant with GDPR because it, like, is so confusing. What do you do when you take database backups and someone asks you to delete their data? Yeah. You're not gonna, like, restore every single database backup, delete it and then snapshot Delete it back down
Adam:the oh, wow. Good point.
Dax:So again, I people can come at me, but I literally have done a bunch of compliance stuff because I've worked in compliance spaces. And when I'm ups when I like think these things are dumb, it's because I just see how ineffective they are. If people are like Yeah. Saying stuff like, oh yeah, it's great and it's gonna make everything good, like you just haven't really interacted with it. Like they're just
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:I think something needs to be done. I just generally don't trust like European legislature stuff. I feel like it comes from a weird place where, there's some level of like I don't know I mean, people are gonna
Adam:be upset with this.
Dax:I'm I'm I'm gonna say it anyway. Say it's like, they're always regulating stuff that is born, not inside Europe. And I think there's some kind of like competitiveness or something to it, where it seems a little vindictive at times. Because I just see so much stuff getting passed, it just cannot actually like, doesn't actually make sense, is not actually practical. Yeah.
Dax:There are rare occasions where okay, because I'm generally against regulation because I feel that people define them like don't understand stuff well enough, and it generally makes the hard stuff harder for startups. Like at this point, if you are a b to b company, you just do not serve Europe because you just cannot take the GDPR liability. So that's that's end result. Like new companies just do not serve Europe, which sucks. But sometimes they accidentally get stuff right.
Dax:Like forcing Apple to go USB C, fantastic. I love it.
Adam:Oh, are.
Dax:So they passed something Oh, that's great. A year ago and, I'm sure Apple would have done it eventually anyway but whatever this like forced them to do it sooner.
Adam:Yeah. I hate
Dax:the different cables in my house.
Adam:Oh, hate the same. I can't wait to never use lightning again.
Dax:It sucks. I can't wait to have a USB c cable everywhere. I can't wait to go over someone's house and be like, hey, do you have a cable? Not the specific cable, I mean, do you have a cable so the whole world just use plug in. I'm really excited and happy about that and Yeah.
Dax:I think they got it right by coincidence because it just happened to be like picking a standard, usually governments government officials like, that's can't be the thing that they're good at. They're gonna pick something wrong, it's gonna get outdated, etcetera. Etcetera. But I think through sheer coincidence, this ended up being a fantastic thing.
Adam:So Good job, Europe.
Dax:So I'll end it Yeah. On something
Adam:We love you, Europe. I have lots of friends. Can I say that? Can I say I have lots of friends in Europe? Well, today The Netherlands, is that in Europe?
Adam:I don't know. Screwbaffles, what's that?
Dax:Well, I
Adam:feel like today,
Dax:July 4, so I don't know if people were streaming to
Adam:Oh.
Dax:People might be on vacation. So I think about a lot of reviewers today are from Yeah. I wanna talk about something totally different. I wanna talk about neighbors. I have a really funny situation.
Dax:So I live in this really quiet street. Mostly everyone is in the phase of their life where they're like kind of settled, they're married, they might have kids already. It's a really like family oriented street, I would say. Yeah. Yeah.
Dax:But my neighbors, for some reason, are like a bunch of frat dudes. Like next to my neighbors? To the left, a bunch of frat dudes that,
Adam:Oh, jeez.
Dax:All live together. And to be honest, I like don't even think they're that young. I'm like, they're kinda they look I'm like looking at their lifestyle, I'm like, don't think you might be like two years younger than me and you're still living like people live like ten years like ten years younger than me. So it's a weird situation but it's like the classic thing like they just have a bunch of parties. I don't really care about the music because I sleep through everything so that actually generally doesn't bother me.
Dax:But they do this thing where a bunch of people show up to their house with like a bunch of cars and they always park in our spot in front of my house. Oh, So it's always like an annoying thing where I have to be like Yeah. Whose car is this? Let me go over and like complain. They're constantly doing this.
Dax:Eventually, someone told me this thing where if you put a bologna slice on a piece of on a on a car, like a piece of bologna in a car, I forgot for what amount of time. It's a short amount of time like like eight hours or something.
Adam:Oh, no.
Dax:It like fuses with the paint and if you pull it off, it just rips the paint. But I'm like, I'm doing that next time.
Adam:That's so awful. Can you not get in trouble for that if you got caught or something?
Dax:I don't But I mean, the only cameras pointed at the car when it's parked in front of my house are my own cameras.
Adam:They're gonna come to your door. Like, do you have footage of the street from last It's
Dax:funny because like, I swear I was in my was grilling in my backyard yesterday and they're like, I can I can kinda hear them, they're playing music? I swear to me, it sounds like they're constantly playing that song. Do you remember that song that came out in like, I would guess 2,010? The I love college song?
Adam:No.
Dax:It's like this really stupid like dumb song by some like just frat bro type character and he's just like singing about all the dumb shit you do in college and it's just like
Adam:it's such like a dumb It sounds
Dax:so ironic. I swear, it just sounds like that song is playing on loop on in the in their backyard.
Adam:It's funnier too that if they're older and they're not even in college anymore but they're just realizing They're
Dax:they're like, this is
Adam:playing that stuff.
Dax:This is the they like found that lifestyle and they're like, this is it. This is it for us.
Adam:Yeah. Because I feel like they all have jobs. I don't
Dax:think they're they're definitely not in school. So that's one thing. Then, this is a really funny thing across the street from me a little bit further down, there is a duplex. So it's it looks like a normal house but it's actually two completely separate houses but they share a wall and like the fences are separated. Yeah.
Dax:And with the one on the left is a normal family. Mom, dad, a couple kids, very normal. The one on the right is a single guy who has a dog and the dog is never on leash but it's like crazy well trained, like it just walks next to him and I see him walking all the time. Khloe does not have a normal job. He's like out about all day, never has a shirt on, refuses to talk to anyone.
Dax:If you like say hi or like try to engage in something, he'll just keep walking. He'll like grunt and keep walking. It's like, it's really, really, really weird dude. Woah. And he's always doing really weird stuff.
Dax:So the other day we go outside and we're like, did he just spray paint his garage real gold? He spray painted it gold and it's really because it's because it's a duplex and now looks really awkward because the one it's not like asymmetrical. And his neighbor is always like dealing with this like guys doing all this weird shit. He was telling us that, his pool, he has a pool in the back but it's like completely black and disgusting and moldy. Like, it's just like a mosquito spawning site at this Oh my word.
Adam:Do you have an HOA or something? There anybody
Dax:That's the thing. That one unit, that that duplex technically has an HOA with each other and usually HOAs are terrible. But this is the situation it's for because you have a crazy person living next door. This guy is always dumping crazy amounts of trash in front of the house. Like, I'm not it's not like personal trash, it's like business level trash.
Dax:He's like running some kind of business out of his out of his house and there'll just be like mountains of cardboard and like people will tell on him and he'll get fined and he just like does not care. But he's just like a weird vibe. What the He's got a Tesla but it was it's like painted this like really weird color. He goes he was down going down the street blasting music and you would think this guy would be blasting some kind of like like edgy hardcore music but he was blasting some like Yeah. Girly song from the February.
Dax:Like, it was just he's just still weird trying to make things. Then Liz said the other day, she's like, I think he's an alien and his dog is also an alien. And they're, like, walking around trying to act normal. But, like, they don't really know how to communicate and they don't really understand what, like
Adam:It's like Men in Black.
Dax:Like stereotypes of people. Yeah. Exact it feels exactly like
Adam:coming out of a skin suit.
Dax:Yeah. Exactly like that because, like, he can't hold the conversation with you and he has such, like, a weird combination of he's not like, oh, this is, like, this type of person. Like, the guy's next door, frat guy. Yeah. The guy across the street Doesn't fit Nothing.
Dax:Any
Adam:any preconceived pattern. He's just like all over the place. That's an alien. Yeah. Exactly.
Adam:Totally an alien.
Dax:Yeah. I love it because I love being entertained. Like, this is the most entertaining thing ever and I don't have to personally deal with the guy next door as the one that's always like the guy next door loves gossiping. So he always comes over, guy stands at me and he's like, did you see the trash? Can you believe it?
Dax:Like, he's always just venting to us. So those are my neighbors. How are your neighbors?
Adam:Well, so first of all, hi, Ben. Ben, my neighbor that I go for walks with, he listens to our podcast. He stays very on top of it. So how you doing? Hope you're good.
Adam:Maybe walk tomorrow? Okay. Anyway, so I a bunch of people on the street have families. In fact, one, two, three, four houses in a row. We all have young kids.
Adam:They all play in the same backyards. It's the only four houses on our little street, and then it kinda goes into another cul de sac. So we all have kids between, like, three archers, you know, mine's the youngest, up to, like, 12, and there's, like, 15 of them. I mean, there's a ton of them. So they're always playing in, like, their backyard.
Adam:It's really great. It's very idyllic. I will say, I lived in this neighborhood before. We had a different house on a different street, and we had a neighbor. It's a very, like, kinda like young family now, but it started out very old people community.
Adam:And then, like, the housing downturn happened. So, like, nobody bought houses or built houses for a couple years, and the the community kinda suffered. There were, like, 15 houses we were in that first batch. It was us and a bunch of older people, retirees. Now it's much more affordable to come into this neighborhood.
Adam:So there's a lot more young families. That's my assumption.
Dax:I don't know.
Adam:It's filled out with a much younger crowd than it was. But back then, this is a very older community. Like, everybody sort of retirees. And then the people that moved next door to me, very similar story. Like, they were they weren't it was a husband and wife, but they were probably early thirties, and they just constantly had parties.
Adam:They were on their back deck drinking, watching TV, people all over the street just every single night. It was so out of character for the neighborhood, like, didn't fit in at all. But they were, like I mean, they were, like, working adults. They just they had a good time, you know. Not not the typical lifestyle that we see
Dax:over here. Was it a conflict? Like, like, do you like, was it annoying for you? Like, what?
Adam:I think yeah. I think we grumbled a little bit. Like, Casey and I just to each other. I don't think we said anything to
Dax:because it
Adam:was annoying. Anybody else in the neighborhood. But yeah, just like and it'd just be, like, tons of people, like, outside whenever you go out in the evening. Like, we'd have Ace out there riding bikes or whatever, and it's just like the party starts showing up, and it's kinda weird. You just don't really wanna be around when they're all out in the yard yelling at each other and stuff.
Adam:Just that kind of stuff. Not a big deal. But it did stand out like a sore thumb in our neighborhood for sure.
Dax:It's always funny when you have just one. Like, I I think neighborhoods tend to have a specific vibe and then there's just like one person or like one house that's just not following you. Say, how do you even end up here?
Adam:Yeah. Why did like these people next door, they're frat people.
Dax:I'm just like, why did you move here? This is like the randomest place to ever move. Like, nothing you care about exists in the streets. Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. Oh, okay. So actually, I've been that person.
Dax:Oh, really?
Adam:Not not like a frat person, but so Casey and I, we're just kinda like old souls. We like it quiet. We don't do nightlife stuff. So, like, we moved to Naples, Florida. Naples, very retiree town.
Adam:Like, it's, you know, a lot of older people, older community, not a lot of, like, young people.
Dax:Where Zuko is from?
Adam:Zuko is from Naples? Oh, really?
Dax:He was born in Serbia, but we picked him up in Naples. It'd be funny if was, like, living on the same street. Oh, there
Adam:you go. Yeah. Oh, it was in Naples Park anyway. So when we moved back, while we were building this house, we lived in a very old neighborhood. Like, we were the only people literally the only people 65.
Adam:And it was it like, very established. So it was a full community of just retirees. And it was me, Casey, my, at the time, five year old, and a brand new, like, one and two year old that Archer I think when we left, he was, like, two. And we're, like, riding around the the streets with their, like, play excavators. They're, like, little tight driver on Like, the we were just so weird in that neighborhood because it's all older people watering their flowers and, like, doing stuff, like cutting their lawn with scissors.
Adam:And then we're out, like, just being crazy young family. And that just, like, we're kind of absurd. Like, just some of the stuff we do outside just you you've been around kids. Like, we were definitely that
Dax:that family
Adam:that stood out really bad.
Dax:Yeah. It's funny. Lizzo's always like kind of embarrassed because I I might have talked about this before, but I now that I live in a place that's warm and I live in a house where I can just step outside at any time of day, first First thing I do every morning is I just walk outside and play with Zuko and I'm usually just in my underwear. And
Adam:Outside? In your underwear?
Dax:Yeah. I'm just in my I'm they're like boxers.
Adam:Is that thing? In Miami?
Dax:It's not here's the thing. Everyone thinks I'm like doing a thing. I'm not doing a thing. I'm just like, I'm waking up. I wanna go outside.
Dax:So I go outside and I play with my dog. But like, I don't wanna get dressed first.
Adam:We don't have to be do I'm not saying you're doing a thing. I'm just saying you are going outside in your underwear, which is is enough of a thing to me. This is it's uncommon,
Dax:you know. Liz keeps accusing me of like, oh, you're like you think you're like a Florida guy now and this is what Florida guys do. I'm like, no. I this is just to me, it's like the most obvious thing ever. Like getting up and going outside is the best thing ever.
Dax:But anyway, like,
Adam:Well, yeah. But you put on clothes, then you go outside.
Dax:It's like put it's like
Adam:That's pretty normal.
Dax:It feels so good to just get up and go straight outside. Like, I literally have a door in my bedroom to go outside.
Adam:In public? It's it's in my yard. That guy that never speaks to you, he's grumbling about you to all his friends. He's got a podcast, and he gets on twice a week. And he's like, this guy across the street wakes up, walks outside in his underwear, walks his dog, puts baloney on cars.
Dax:Well, here's okay. Okay. I I understand the practicality of this but my boxers are long boxers. If I put on shorts no one had a problem with that, my shorts are maybe like one or two inches longer than my boxers. So
Adam:Okay.
Dax:I'm not really showing anything that people wouldn't see anyway. I get that the fact that they look like underwear gives it a complete different vibe. I I know it's not an entire defense but, yeah. So I do wonder like are cause like the the neighbors when they have parties, they have like drunk people going they're just like kind of drunk people like leaving the house and like they see me in my underwear and they probably think like they probably have like a very specific vibe of me because that's the only time they ever see me. It's like the guy in his underwear in this front yard.
Dax:So I wonder, like, what they think. Like, they must think I'm, like, some kind of crazy Florida guy.
Adam:I mean, if it's boxers, I guess, I kind of understand. Like, they they look like shorts.
Dax:It's not tight underwear. No.
Adam:Yeah. Not tight. Because I wear tight underwear. I don't wear boxers. I I am getting into the short shorts.
Adam:Like, have you noticed a male trend with shorter and shorter shorts? Some five inch inseams. Gotta get those legs out, get some sun on them. You're like
Dax:you're like six years behind. Don't know what you're
Adam:Oh, just really?
Dax:Getting into
Adam:the Ozarks.
Dax:Do you know what living in the city is like? Everyone is, like, showing thighs all day.
Adam:Oh, really? Okay. Well, the Ozarks don't
Adam:know what to they don't know
Dax:what's coming.
Adam:Yeah. My my thighs are coming out.
Dax:I don't go super short but I definitely, have my shorts have only been getting shorter. Like, I remember in middle school, my shorts were past my knees and
Adam:Oh, like past the knees? Yeah. Baggy.
Dax:Yeah. Basketball jersey, the knees. And now theirs has been getting shorter ever since.
Adam:Yeah. No, same. But mine hadn't caught up to, I guess, fashion trends. So I'm still
Dax:full of workout, you know, gotta show the legs. Women love the thighs.
Adam:The main thing the reason I really wanna get some sun on my legs is I go into the sauna every night and I wear a Speedo. So like full leg is on display and they are so white, like, above my kneecaps. It's just like an awful picture. Everything else on me, I'm outside and in the sun a lot, so I'm I'm getting pretty tan in the summer. But that part of my body is just it's stark white.
Adam:So I gotta get them I gotta get them tanned up. It's an every night of grace.
Dax:I gotta make a note of the Speedo and the sauna thing because there's definitely infinite jokes, I think. I I'm gonna this can definitely get made into a thing.
Adam:The sauna is so good. I can't recommend the sauna enough.
Dax:So you can get it every day?
Adam:I did an ice bath. Oh, I do it every night. Yeah. Casey and I get it every night after the kids are down. It's the best.
Adam:And I wanna get a cold plunge, but Casey's making me, like, actually take ice baths to prove that I'll do it, like, that I'll get in 36 degree water. Have you ever gotten in, like, sub 40 hate
Dax:it. I absolutely hate it. It's not for me.
Adam:It's so intense. It like, your body you start saying things that you you're just, like, reacting that you're not in control of it. Like, you're completely overwhelmed. Maybe if you're used to it, like, you're Wim Hof and do it every day. But, like, first time, just the other day, we went and got like, my son went with me, and we got a giant 50 pound bag of ice or 20 pound not fifty, twenty pound bag of ice filled up the bathtub.
Adam:Oof. It was painful. But it was so good. You feel so good later
Dax:Oh.
Adam:After you get out.
Dax:I mean, yeah, have you ever gotten the wind knocked out? I'm sure you have. Like, playing sports, you
Adam:get hit in like the solar plexus or whatever.
Dax:Oh, yeah. It feels like that to me when I get in. I feel like it's just, like It does.
Adam:Just, like, sucking the air
Dax:out of my lungs.
Adam:My whole family actually watched.
Adam:So both my
Adam:boys wanted to watch me react to get I was in my Speedo, but, like, got in the ice bath and they just cackled. They just watched me, like, freak out and they loved it. It was entertaining.
Dax:Do your kids have phones?
Adam:No. Yeah. I mean, my oldest is eight. Are eight year olds supposed to have phones? Maybe they are.
Dax:No. I'm just I'm just waiting for them to get a phone so they can record this stuff and send it to me.
Adam:Oh, no. Yeah. You'd you'd have a great time with Casey's phone. You could see all kinds of entertaining things that we'll never make
Dax:out of. I wish she was on Twitter.
Adam:Well, as
Adam:long as data privacy, as long as
Dax:we don't get a leak or
Adam:something. I
Dax:wanted to clarify one thing about data privacy because there is like a angle on it that I do kind of care about and I don't wanna like omit it. Someone reminded me, like, they reminded me. I'm not afraid of companies generally having the data because like their incentive structure is not perfect, but it's decent. It's not like terrible. But there is this reality that if the data exists, it can it can be abused by someone and it might not necessarily be the company, it might be like some government force.
Dax:So I do kind of worry about that where and you it's not anything that dramatic. It's not like they're gonna use it to like brainwash you or like come and kill you, like, it's not even that dramatic. I think there's more practical things that kind of happen that are like a little bit weird like with all this, like the, like the abortion stuff that happened, in The USA last year. Some state governments are now asking for data, on people like searching for these topics or like, you know, they can even like find out if you're pregnant, right? Like, there's like a lot of sensitivity to that.
Dax:So now as a company, I don't wanna have any of that data because I don't want the government to come knock at the door. And I like like, I don't like a I just don't want that as a part of my business and also like on a ethical point of view, feels weird like screwing over your users in that way. So yeah, I think that data privacy, I'm like less worried about the companies and I'm more worried about like stuff like that. Again, I don't think I can't imagine anything today that I'm exposed to but hypothetically, like no one really imagined this angle. So I think I generally believe that there's some stuff that needs to be like cloud hosted for it to be good and convenient.
Dax:I don't think everything falls under that. So stuff that doesn't need to be that way like things that are like, you know, period tracker or stuff like that, like that doesn't need
Adam:to be we talk about
Dax:this for Boomi because they, we work with fertility clinics and like we need to capture some of that data. If that can be housed locally, it should. Because we don't necessarily do anything with it
Adam:when it's housed on our end besides sinking it. Yeah. I I it's such a conflicting thing for me because on the one hand, I kinda wanna go, like, off the grid and, like, be completely, like, unfindable. So, like, that's that's definitely data privacy. But I think the thing that frustrates me is just the stupid, like, cookie stuff.
Adam:It's, like, sites knowing where you've been and all that. Like, I just feel like that stuff is less sensitive than personal information. I definitely don't want my personal information all over the place. And I know GDPR was trying to limit the spreading of personal information. But like we talked about, it just feels like practically it's not really doing that and it's a lot of bureaucracy.
Adam:I don't know. That's oversimplified.
Dax:But And the other side of it is, like, so many of the things we rely on require a certain business model. Like the thing that Apple did, was it a
Adam:maybe a year ago now? Oh, like you have to opt in to the And that like killed like a whole
Dax:class of small business. Because like there was a there's a very clear channel of I'm a small business, I make like a single product. Like, I make like a really cool towel or whatever and and and your entire channel was Instagram is so good at finding people that want to buy this and I'm gonna use it. And after they made that change, like, company shut down, like, just stuff went out of business. So a lot it's all interconnected.
Dax:Like, a lot
Adam:of stuff depends on this is this is a system that we built of monetizing the Internet. Yeah. That was not another thing I wanted to talk about was capitalism and all of that stuff. I don't know. Just after Twitter, I just don't feel like going into any of that.
Adam:Yeah. Because I mostly because I don't know anything. I just people think I, like, have strong opinions when I say things. I don't. I mostly know nothing.
Adam:I know the world is super complex, And did like, I will probably change my mind on every single topic over the next five years. I'm very easily swayed. I don't know. I'm not like
Dax:That's fine. It's fine for you to say you don't know anything. I think the problem is when you start to know a little bit, that's when you're like, it just doesn't get annoying. Yeah. Because I feel like, I mean, especially with that topic, people just use that word to like, they they like blame everything on capitalism.
Dax:It kind turns into this like Yeah. Boogeyman with with no meaning and it's like anything bad it's because of this thing. Well, what if you ask them what is a thing, they can't really explain it and how it actually ties to the thing that's bad. But again, that's like, if you're entirely like, don't know anything, you're like not gonna say that but if you think you know a little bit, that's when I just find all my frustration comes with people in that category because I am not looking at them as some random person, I'm looking at them as like a previous version of me that had complete thoughts. So it's a very frustrating conversation to have because it's like, I'm not disagreeing with you.
Dax:Like, I really remember when that was a set of information I had and I thought exactly the way you did and I like, now I'm sitting somewhere else having learned more. Yeah. Yeah. So I just I personally just avoid conversations that are like that kind of setup. It's implied that it's hard to save anyone time and get them to a to a point that you've gotten too faster.
Adam:Yep. Agreed. Okay. I got two possible topics before we end this. We should probably save one for another episode.
Adam:Okay. And you get to pick. Oh. One is Twitter. What's been going on lately?
Adam:I got thoughts on, like well, we could talk about the milk thing. We could talk about other things that have been talked about on Twitter. Two is, like, this tech stack, the stuff going on right now with SST, and I love it. I love this stuff so much. And I generally just love a lot of the new stuff that's coming out and the new tooling and how this stuff's all coming together feels really good.
Adam:And then that's in contrast with, like, Levels you know, Peter Levels just tweeted that, like, his whole side project makes $6,000 a month. It's one big PHP file or whatever in CSS. And then a lot of people kinda came out, they're like, yeah. See, architecture's dumb. You don't need any of it.
Adam:And microservices and whatever. But I don't know. I think that's kind of that's all one conversation to me. It's like, there is a lot of good modern new stuff. And not to just dismiss it and throw it all out because Peter Levels is good at making side projects.
Dax:Yeah. Okay. That last one oh god, I wanna talk about both. But the last one is like top of mind because I I just find that guy. I I muted him recently because I like just don't wanna see his shit anymore but I did somehow see that in my feed anyway.
Adam:Okay. Let's talk about both. Just whichever order. Go.
Dax:Okay. So the thing so yes, the guy we're talking about, he is an indie hacker. He is I we I feel we've even talked about him before. He's exceptional at building one man products that make a shit ton of money. Top point 1% of the world at doing that, I would say.
Dax:Yeah. So
Adam:Probably top one.
Dax:Right. The number one person Yeah. Doing literally exactly what he does. I have a very simple explanation for this. He is successful in spite of his tech stack.
Dax:That's really it. Yeah. Yeah. He's honestly good at what he does, like, it outshines any other property of, like
Adam:You can probably
Dax:hyper analyze, like, any little thing, like, you can probably, like, like, look at his daily schedule and be like, he wakes up at 10AM. That means you don't have to wake up early to be successful. I really Yeah. I figured that's literally the level of conversation that they're having about technology. But because about technology, it seems like it's less arbitrary.
Dax:Yeah. The stuff he does, it doesn't matter how he builds it because he tends to follow, he tends to always have the first he tends to be the first mover in any new thing because he's just brilliant at seeing that.
Adam:And executing quickly. Like, he's he's good with his stack, he's good with what he does. Yeah. Puts stuff out fast.
Dax:And he's, like, very familiar with it. He can ship it fast, like, great. But you can take away something from that, but you definitely can't take away that architecture is dumb. Like, we are streaming on Twitch right now. Guess what?
Dax:Twitch isn't built like that and it Yeah. Cannot be that way. And most people are not going down that path, and even in that path of like being entrepreneur, there's like so many different things you're trying to build, right? So if you're trying to get a job, you need to most likely, you do need to know a lot of those things because those things aren't made up for no reason. Even if you're trying to build your own thing, depending on what you're like, SST, which is a company, a very small company, we've shared a lot of philosophies as as that guy.
Dax:It's like staying small and like being lean and being really efficient.
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:We cannot build them that way. Boomi, another one, they absolutely cannot be built in that way. So it's kind of a dumb conversation to me. It's like, you guys are missing the point. Just take what he's good at and like appreciate him and I learn from that.
Dax:But don't focus on all this other stuff that's completely irrelevant in what he does.
Adam:Yeah. He's an outlier. I listened
Dax:to that It's
Adam:one of the 10 books I've listened to. He's an outlier, and it's like as an individual, as an indie hacker, if you will, there is a ceiling as to what you can build alone. I think that ceiling is getting higher all the time. And I think, like, things like SST enable to raise that ceiling, but it's never gonna be like a an individual can't create, like you said, Twitch. An individual can't create Yeah.
Adam:Whatever YouTube. Like, it it there are limits. It it but those limits are still pretty high. Like, levels is showing that, like, you can make a ton of money as an individual if you're top Yeah. 10 in the world.
Dax:Yeah. And it's like, I've definitely come around on this a lot because I definitely was a lot more modest than what I was shooting for. I was like, I just wanna be extremely comfortable and not have to think about anything. And like, that's not that high of a bar for someone like me. If that's what I was focused on, I would kind of go maybe like more towards his approach, like build small products that, you know, make money like that.
Dax:But more and more lately, I've just been like, why like do that limit? It's like way, way, way more fun playing in like the biggest market and shooting for like the biggest thing possible. I've found that to be like a lot, lot more motivating. Think in the process of building SST, it's always been about, like, if you look at our mindset over the years, it's always been us realizing we're focused on this area, but why not focus even wider? And then we're like, let's do that.
Dax:Okay, but why not focus even wider? And just keeps getting wider and wider and wider. It's like way more fun to shoot for like like right now, our scope is anyone building on AWS, the default should be SSD. That's like, that's literally a million people million businesses. That's huge, right?
Dax:Like massive massive. We're like at like a couple of thousand, maybe like 3,000 right now. So to me, like shooting really big is really exciting and really fun. And when you are successful, it's not just about your own life that's impact. Of course, your life is impacted, but now you have the resources to like, invest in other things and like shape the world in different ways and like push things in a direction that you want you want them to be.
Dax:I'm really interested and excited by all that so
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:Yeah. So I like I said, it's even if you're an entrepreneur, like, have different there's, like, different flavors of it. And it's really just that.
Adam:And so much of the conversation on Twitter, unfortunately, is held back by people in different world views, different, like, entrepreneurial paths cross talking and not, like, not gathering that they're just approaching things very differently because they're looking at the world very differently. Like, there's places for all these types of entrepreneurs. But, like, we start especially in the technical realm, we start applying lessons across those boundaries and it just doesn't make any sense.
Dax:Yeah, does. And I feel like every couple months, I feel the need to tweet something like, everything I say is from a perspective of you trying to build a big company with a small team. Like, everything I say is under that perspective.
Adam:Yeah. Because you can, like, take Kubernetes, like, just totally trash Kubernetes all day. And it's, like, for your perspective, it's it's completely valid. But, like, I don't know, some person that works at Google or, I guess, Google doesn't use Kubernetes. Whoever uses Kubernetes, maybe it makes sense to them.
Dax:Don't know. Yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, it's just like when people don't scope what they talk about, I just kinda lose respect for them. So if it was just external people commenting about levels being like, oh, look, he does this blah blah blah. That's that's whatever because, like, people are misinterpreting it.
Dax:But he himself really pushes his narrative of like and it feels like really arbitrary. Like, why is he upset by this and why is he always attacking it? And that is a fundamental thing for me. If you're gonna be successful, and you don't know how to be happy and not bitter, like, I don't I don't feel like I need to, like, listen to you at all. Like, that's, the main thing.
Adam:So do you get the vibe or you get the the feeling that he's upset I guess I I viewed it as, like, it's great marketing because he stirs up a whole lot of stuff on Twitter and I don't know. He gets some attention. I didn't get the, like, sense that he was upset by it.
Dax:Because he's mean, maybe I'm reading it wrong, but to me, he sounds kinda like
Adam:Like bitter that he's not like a real programmer or something like
Dax:Or he wants like more people to I don't know. There there's like some like, level there's, like, something negative about it. It's not inspirational. It's it's more like Yeah.
Adam:No. I know what you're saying. Yeah. As a fellow not very inspirational, pretty negative person, I totally understand. But oh, okay.
Adam:So that's a good segue into the second point, which is Twitter is fun. And you've convinced me. You tweeted something the other day about how what you said. But basically, like, it is what you wanna make it, and it can be a great experience. There's a lot of wonderful people.
Adam:And when you really focus on that and just the the hanging out part of Twitter, it really is a great place to be. And the milk thing was refreshing. Refreshing. Every I mean, like, we all know why we were talking about milk. It's obvious.
Adam:It was fun. And we're all in on the note. It was so fun to be in on that joke that I totally understood.
Dax:What's really funny is, I feel like I, like, learned so much of
Adam:I I feel like had
Dax:such, like, rich thoughts about all this the past week because they're just like as stupid as it was, there's like so much sophistication behind it. So just for context, this is just a random thing that happened. This is like a random thing. It was really random to start posing with milk. It was kind of funny to be like like overly serious about, you know, something as stupid as what kind of milk you drink.
Dax:And it was just like a fun thing to do. And most people saw it. I would get some vast majority of people saw it. They thought it was funny. They thought, okay, like, let me, like, get on into you.
Dax:They, did their little thing. It was a fun thing for all of us. And I think it came at a nice time where it's just been weeks of, like,
Adam:next, app router. Terrible, like, ruining my life, my company. They they don't move to it's just like
Dax:just needed some relief from like the most boring topic on the planet. So I think it was just like a nice contrast with with the with that. But it was also so interesting to see how much people overthought it And I'm just so convinced more and more every day that every frustration I have is from people like thinking way too
Adam:hard about something and like coming to some stupid conclusion.
Dax:Yeah. But so a lot of people were like like, you shouldn't judge people for what kind of milk they drink and they were like thinking about it. It's like, like, you're just like entirely like, it's I can't believe I have to like explain, like, spell out like, that's not the joke and the whole like, are they like suggesting like wipes white supremacy? Like that whole thing was like
Adam:Oh, yeah. That whole thing.
Dax:Like that sounds like it should have parody. Like there's a whole thread on like, is this about white supremacy?
Adam:And there were people explaining it
Dax:to me like, no, but like it actually
Adam:it's just like It's only white people talking about it.
Dax:I was
Adam:really it's about the
Dax:white tech guys.
Adam:Zax, are you are you white?
Dax:Or Yeah. Okay.
Adam:Yeah. I I think, like, there's some part of, like if you feel like there's an inside joke and you don't really get it okay. So I felt like there's an inside joke. I didn't really get it. I didn't understand.
Adam:I kinda came back to Twitter after being pretty unplugged and, like, all this Milk stuff. And when you don't really get the inside joke, it does feel bad. But then when you realize, like, there there is no inside joke, it's literally just people posting about Milk for the funsies. It started with a couple tweets, then it just kinda turned into, hey, we could talk about something else that's not tech. When you embrace it for that, then it's really harmless, and it was just a good time.
Dax:Yeah. And the joke is there is no inside joke.
Adam:Anybody who thought there was deeper meaning. Yeah. Exactly. There is no deeper anything to it.
Dax:Yeah. And and everyone can get in on it and perpetuate it. And again, to me, it's just so obvious that that's how it is. But I got I I would imagine 98% of people, that's what their reaction was. But some people were upset by it.
Dax:They're like, this isn't funny. Like, I don't like it. I don't like seeing this on my feed. I'm just like like, I I saw that and I was like, you know, Twitter is what you make of it. If you are seeing the situation and you can't laugh at it and have a good time, the problem isn't Twitter.
Dax:There's something going on where you have some perception of these things and I bet all sorts of things in life are gonna trigger negative feelings for you.
Adam:Yeah. I can speak from experience because I feel like I've not been enjoying Twitter the last few months and I've not been enjoying life. I mean, I feel like everything is so I've talked about it. Like, I feel like everything is so good. I can't figure out why I'm unhappy, and I have reasons now that I think I figured it out.
Adam:But, yeah, I I think it's ref reflects your current mental health. Like, I think any social media is gonna feel real bad when you're just not feeling real good.
Dax:Yeah. It's like a mirror and an amplifier. So it can be really harmful Yeah. If but it's not like it's like a it's not the source of the problems or somewhere else and it's maybe amplifying it or like you're you're being forced to look at something you don't want to. So yeah.
Dax:I don't know. I think learning, like knowing how to be happy, knowing how to have a good time regardless of like what's going on is like a skill you can develop. Like I don't think it's like you're like a victim to the world. I think you can like figure out, okay, here's why I have a bad mindset, here's how I have a good mindset. I don't know.
Dax:I I think that is something I've gotten better at over time and people that are like, people I look up to that are older and like, they're they're usually successful in very material ways, but then I also see that they just like, really enjoy every, like, minute of their day in their life. And that's kind of that's like a goal to shoot towards.
Adam:Yeah. So will you jump off a plane with me?
Dax:Jump off So
Adam:we can so we can do a milk video while skydiving to top the the Warren and Primogen. That was so That
Dax:was crazy. I mean, I
Adam:think you should do it because to me, that's like
Dax:a very Ozark thing to do because I feel like there's a lot of empty land and I can see you, like, landing in in the field. I don't know.
Adam:No. I wouldn't do it alone. I would have to have somebody with me. And who else would I bring but Dax?
Dax:I'm not doing this. I'm just telling you right now, I'm not doing this.
Adam:Okay. Me neither. But I I did think about it. I honestly thought about asking Casey if she would be completely opposed. I've never considered jumping out of a plane in my life.
Adam:But when I saw that video, I was like, somebody's gotta do it. Think you do it.
Dax:I don't know. I feel like I feel like it makes sense.
Adam:Can you even take could you even take milk with you jumping out of a plane? Do they let you have objects? Yeah. Because you have to you have
Dax:to ask because realistically, you wouldn't be on your own. You'd be tandem. You'd be, like, attached to
Adam:them. Yeah. I'd be, like, strapped to somebody who knows what they're doing. I'd just be like, woah.
Dax:They could they could feed you because they could be holding you in. You're, like, strapped to them like a baby.
Adam:Okay. Yeah. Professional.
Dax:Yeah. So Stephan messaged me, I don't know if you know, you've probably seen her on Twitter.
Adam:He's
Dax:Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's like, we should do a Miami version where we're at a club and we get bottle service and usually when you get bottle service like, people come out with like, you know, the freaking, the sparklers and everything. But instead of alcohol, it just be a thing of milk.
Adam:Be milk? His his
Dax:fiance, like, has the right connections to make that happen. So I'm like
Adam:Make that
Dax:happen. Do it.
Adam:Please do. Just keep it going. There's a lot of steps between what Prime and Warren did on they got on the lake, and they're, like, wakeboarding, I guess. Is that what that's called? Prime, you know, poured the milk in Warren's mouth just for people who didn't see it.
Adam:You can find it on Twitter. It's amazing. There's a lot of steps between that and skydiving, though. I think there's a lot of incremental things that could be done. Yes.
Dax:And we could
Adam:amp ourselves up till somebody will jump out of a plane. I'm sure of it. I think milk has had that kind of effect on us as a community.
Dax:And after this white supremacy thing, I feel the momentum kind of slowed down. As lame as it is to let it ruin it but It's yeah. But I'm gonna come out and
Adam:just confess that I'm a white supremacist.
Dax:I was considering going on Twitter yesterday and being like, yeah, there's no thing is about white supremacy. I think white people are better.
Adam:Don't People will take you seriously.
Dax:That's a problem. There's gonna be some section of people that take it seriously and then it's gonna become more of a problem. So July 4 special, double double edition.
Adam:July 4 oh, yeah. Happy Independence Day if you're in
Dax:The US. Everything's bigger in America. One hour podcast episode.
Adam:Do you have a lot of trees around you?
Dax:Is that a question?
Adam:Yes. Well, the what yeah. Of course. I couldn't I didn't hear the first part.
Dax:I couldn't tell if you were like,
Adam:you have a lot
Dax:of trees out those accusations.
Adam:No. Do you, Dax, live in an area that's
Dax:Totally, like, blanketed in trees. Yes.
Adam:Yeah. Same. And every night that as I hear the fireworks going off the last four days because in the Ozarks, they just start buying them and start shooting them off every day. Do they do that in Miami?
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. All last night. Everyone's, like, doing test runs.
Adam:Every night, I'm thinking to myself as I'm falling asleep, is the forest behind me gonna burn down tonight? That's a fun thought. So let's get past the fourth. Nobody cause any giant fires. That'd be great.
Dax:Everything is just so wet here in Miami. Like, fire is just not, like, a concern.
Adam:Yeah. We've not had a lot of rain in the Ozarks.
Dax:So Something's getting lit on fire. Like, with the scale of July 4, do you think do people die every year because of July 4 activities?
Adam:Well, I'm sure. And I think I heard California, maybe Nevada, there's some states that have outlawed fireworks now because of forest fires. They can't do it. Like it's just it's not Yeah. A good idea.
Adam:It causes fires, I guess, every year.
Dax:So I just love seeing those videos where like someone actually lights all the fireworks at once. I mean, you commented on one the other day.
Adam:Oh, yeah. And I watch it a bunch of
Dax:times and I swear okay. So in the video, something small initially goes wrong, then something massive goes wrong. And I swear after the small thing goes wrong, I see a guy go around the corner and then make the bad like, massive bad thing happen on purpose. I'm like, what is going on?
Adam:Maybe he was try maybe he was just trying to kick him away from the fire.
Dax:It looked like he went he like looked like he was holding something burning and throw he threw into a box of fireworks. That's what
Adam:it looked like
Dax:to me. Oh. People lose their fingers. I know, like wasn't that the NFL player?
Adam:Yeah. That happens. People like throw them at each other and say it's just pretty dumb. Anyway, let's just yeah. Let's say goodbye.
Adam:Yeah. Bye, Dax.
