Live Streaming Economics and Immortality
Do you wanna do a thousand episodes? Are you good with that?
Speaker 2:Oh, we'll see. We'll get
Speaker 1:to a hundred first. Okay. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 2:If I still like you by then.
Speaker 1:Baby steps. If you still like me, yeah. It's a shame. We might lose our whole audience right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. It was a good run. It was a good run.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Think with AWS FM, I feel like you just ended up talking to everyone. No, you were done.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, well, I I actually like it was the opposite for me. I had so many people I wanted to talk to. It got overwhelming like just trying to like it's like who do you pick and who can come on when and I don't know. I probably had like a 100 more people I would interviewed or talked with.
Speaker 1:I did talk with a lot of people I wanted to talk with. I mean, I was just trying to, like, get it all in. I was doing like three a week. Like, I was doing games. It was just a lot of work.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm looking back on it now thinking about how easy this podcast is. Yeah. And how difficult that was.
Speaker 2:Well, people really liked it.
Speaker 1:Well, people like this. This is we've got I think we've almost got as many downloads as I got it on
Speaker 2:that one. Okay. Well, yeah. I guess we hit the same milestone with like 10 times as effort. That's like that's a little lesson in content a lot of times.
Speaker 1:It really is. Just care less. Do less. Be yourself, but don't be to yourself because that can get you in trouble too.
Speaker 2:Like when you took off your shirt and took a picture and posted it on Twitter?
Speaker 1:Okay. Yeah. It's not what I was talking about. Listen. I get in shape really easy.
Speaker 1:It's a gift. It's like my body I've not done enough work to be in the shape that I'm in. It just happens really fast. I've always been that way. Like, in school, like, I had to play sports because I was just tall.
Speaker 1:I was, like, twice as tall as anybody, especially in middle school. I shot up immediately. I've been this height since I was, like, 12. I was taller than, like, my third grade teacher, and I've been this height ever since. But I like, I was a big it was a big kid.
Speaker 1:I was already tall, and I was just like I looked like a college athlete. I just had, like, a body I didn't deserve. So I had to play sports, and I never really was that into it. Like, I didn't really wanna I probably wouldn't have played sports if I weren't just like Really? People made me because I was tall.
Speaker 1:It was peer pressure. But it's great in adulthood. Like, I don't have to do that much and I feel like, wow, I'm getting fit.
Speaker 2:My body is similar in that I have to work out to gain weight. Like, if I stop paying attention, like, don't, get fat, I get skinnier because my body naturally wants to be at, like, a pretty skinny zone and people hate that.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say, people are gonna hate this episode. We're like, I don't do anything. I get fit. I lose weight. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1:I have to work out so I don't get too small. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. We might lose our whole audience right here.
Speaker 1:That was a run. Yeah. It was a good run. Maybe we'll pick up like a fitness audience. Maybe a bunch of people who like aspire to be into to fitness.
Speaker 1:Not a problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, I don't if we're there yet but there's some people at my gym, man, just unreal. Some unreal, like, beasts
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. That I
Speaker 2:I don't that's
Speaker 1:why I don't go to gyms. I go to gym like, if I go to a gym one time, I'm just demotivated and I never wanna go back. Because you just you gotta start somewhere and that's the hard part about going to a gym. If you're going for the first time, you're probably not that fit. So you're gonna look like an idiot trying to lift anything and these people in there, like, bouncing off the walls and throwing weight through the air.
Speaker 1:Like, I'm just not gonna do it. I've always had something in my home where I can work out at home, which I guess is privilege.
Speaker 2:It's a it's a big hurdle. I used to but that, like, would stop me from going to the gym a lot. And I think I even, like, worked out on my own to, like, work up into the gym. But you just get past a point where, like, you're pretty comfortable in there and it doesn't really matter. You're mostly just impressed by some of those people and it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1:they're looking at you and judging you for being being weak. But, yeah,
Speaker 2:there's some people because I because I so I technically go to a CrossFit gym. I mostly do solo stuff there.
Speaker 1:I was gonna ask. I wondered if you'd bring it up. Yeah. So,
Speaker 2:there's some people there that compete in the CrossFit games and, yes, everyone does a CrossFit me, everyone finds CrossFit people annoying, blah blah blah. But just straight up, like, the people that compete in those games are, like, some of fittest Like people on the it just tests so many different aspects of fitness. So if you're
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:At that level, you're incredible. And there's one guy there that I think I don't think it's at the highest levels but he's like pretty close. And I just cannot believe like the level of endurance he has. Like so Like, I don't go to the classes there often, I just do my own thing. But I was in a class one time with him and we had a workout that would take me like forty to fifty minutes and I wouldn't even really finish it.
Speaker 2:I would like kind of have to like taper off towards the end and like like cut what I was doing a little bit. He literally finished the whole thing in twenty minutes and then went back to his own thing. And I just could not believe how fast he was going through this stuff and I was like, man, people get like, the peak of what you can do is so insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I guess if I lived in Miami and I got to watch, like, elite CrossFitters, I might be into it. But I don't know. In the Ozarks, maybe less of that. Oh, there's probably some people.
Speaker 1:I'm not giving them credit. There's a lot of, like, just corn fed strength here in the Midwest. It's like, they come from the fields and they're already huge and ripped and yeah.
Speaker 2:My previous gym in New York, Scott, I lived in a neighborhood that was I I don't have kids, but other than a neighborhood that was, like, everyone had, like, a two or three year old, like, like, kinda like first child, like, new parents. Yeah. And the gym I would go to there, it was like, it was a completely different vibe. It was everyone there was clearly just trying to squeeze in like twenty minutes of something just to like Yes. Not completely fall apart.
Speaker 2:And I and when I was there, I felt like one of the more fit people. That was motivating in a
Speaker 1:different way, I think. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta be kinda, like, in the middle. If you're on the extremes, there's probably less.
Speaker 1:Like, if you're super fit and you go into the gym, what what motivates you, I guess? Like, how do you
Speaker 2:not I'm just be like good. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1:Just look in the mirror. It's like when you're you're doing a lot of streaming on Twitch. Mhmm. I know you're you're doing that partner grind. I know, like, once I got partner, I didn't care to stream anymore.
Speaker 1:It's amazing, the effect. It's like once you've made it, you just kind of I don't know. What am I doing now? I got other stuff to do.
Speaker 2:I just wanna do weirder things. I feel trapped right now. I feel like there's a certain time of day I can only stream and if I stream in off hours and it hurts my progress and
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I wanna get past it because I have a bunch of, like, weirder things I wanna do that might not land at all. So
Speaker 1:Maybe maybe that's the key though. Maybe that's what would just unlock crazy growth and people would be showing up from all over. But I know exactly what you're talking about. I never wanted to do anything off the normal schedule. I just wanted to keep the pattern.
Speaker 1:And then and it was nice. Like, as soon as I got partner, I remember, like, doing an afternoon stream, and it's just like, who cares? Come if you want. I don't I don't
Speaker 2:care. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But then for what? It's so funny. Like, Twitch is they're oh, Twitch is in the news where there's like Oh, yeah. I'm sure about stuff there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, do you understand? Did they undo it all? There was like a big, ah, they said bad things. They're hostile to the community. And then they're like, never mind.
Speaker 1:Sorry. I've never seen such a quick reversal.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I am so confused by it. So just to summarize, they basically put out a policy that very clearly made it seem like they were attacking people for getting their own sponsors. So people that have like their own things they promote Yeah. Their own ads they put up on an overlay, which is pretty critical because like Twitch doesn't pay that much.
Speaker 2:So finding your own sponsorship deals for your niche like makes a lot of sense and obviously everyone does that. So I felt I was like, what the hell? Like why are they going after? That seems like really insane. Obviously, this is a bad idea.
Speaker 2:But everything was phrased to make it sound that's exactly like that what they were doing. But then they like later clarified saying, oh, sorry, that's like not what we meant. Like, we were going after these like weird third party ad networks that just try to operate inside Twitch, which I get. Like, I get why that they don't they don't wanna have that. Oh.
Speaker 2:But I was like, this is this like the worst unforced error of all time? Like, if that's they were going for something so specific if that is true and they accidentally did like the worst thing ever.
Speaker 1:Like, I don't even
Speaker 2:know how that happens and they reversed it. There was a community you see on Twitter, they're so they posted on Twitter like, we're sorry about this, we've removed this from our term of service, whatever. Yeah. Then Twitter slapped the community note on it being like, they haven't actually done this. So I'm just like
Speaker 1:Are you serious? Yeah. Wow. So they they're just trying to, like, say that they walked it back but they're potentially still hedging their bet. They don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2:Maybe they didn't actually. I I have no idea what's going. It just seems like the dumbest unforced thing ever. I don't know.
Speaker 1:So much outrage. Right? Like, people I really respect that are not, like, just reacting to everything they hear seem like they are pretty out on Twitch. I mean, I've seen people discussing, like, what are the alternatives, all that stuff. You think that that actually happens?
Speaker 1:Is it just not a good business?
Speaker 2:It's a terrible business. It's such a bad business.
Speaker 1:Is it just that, like, to the like, the masses being able to anybody just being able to sign up and start streaming is just never gonna be a thing? Like, eventually, that'll go away and it'll just be, like, big time personalities will stream because that's the only way to make money.
Speaker 2:I have no idea how this all shakes out because it means like streaming video. I don't even I can't even understand how Twitch exists. Like, you you just let me go and do this and make basically no money off of me. Maybe someone okay, maybe they're making like basically nothing now. Maybe they're covering whatever costs that I'm causing them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these live videos are so expensive and just to have like thousands of people streaming, potentially tens of thousands of people streaming, it's just like really cool concept, I love it, I love Twitch, like I love the whole like
Speaker 1:I do too, yeah.
Speaker 2:That it exists but it's clearly has to be like a loss leader for something else like that. I'm glad that Amazon owns Twitch because the whole thing with video streaming is, everyone's like, let's build a competitor at Twitch but that means using some other video hosting infrastructure and those are all so expensive because the whole thing is so expensive. It's not really viable. I think I did some quick math thing for Prime for a two hour stream, it will cost him $240, which maybe you could still come out ahead on that, and he probably would but it's expensive. So the only way to build a business that does this is to like go lower on down the stack and like own your hardware and like put stuff in data centers.
Speaker 2:I'm like, do you really wanna do all that work just so you can end up, like Twitch, like, struggling to make any amount of money? It's just it's just not a fun business.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It just occurred to me that, like I don't know. That why is it so expensive to stream video? I was thinking of, like, TV. It's been around forever.
Speaker 1:Well, how did they figure it out? I guess physical infrastructure is like piping cables to everybody's houses.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what I mean. You have to go lower down the stack.
Speaker 1:Oh, explain. I didn't get that. I didn't understand.
Speaker 2:The fastest way because at this point, I don't wanna start any business where I have to, like, chip servers because that's just a not fun business. So I use Oh, that.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow. So I use,
Speaker 2:like, middlemen, like AWS or Cloudflare or whatever. Uh-huh. But if you try to use them for live video, it's like really expensive and not really viable for
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, only for like smaller things, it's maybe viable. So you you then then you go back to the days of having to like, you know, like manage your own servers and like manage your data centers and like write like low level code that does all this stuff.
Speaker 1:So the cable company you're saying like the cable company is just like they got their own physical infrastructure. That's being as low to the stack as you can be.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I think Twitch also has like their own physical infrastructure now. They're owned by AWS so there's like, you know, AWS has a lowest cost of any company on the planet for infrastructure so
Speaker 1:I guess that's probably the only reason Twitch is viable still or still alive is that AWS can with their scale, they can actually
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I don't even know how much they've moved on to AWS's stuff but yeah, like, long term it's like, those are gonna be the lowest cost of anyone on the planet. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just a terrible business but also it's just like, there's that side of it but also it's so clearly like, it feels like a company. Just from seeing the people that have worked there that have talked about it, it's like, they're so clearly in that stage where they're like done.
Speaker 2:They're like not really gonna do anything great again. It's like everyone at the company is like, just like a post doing anything good company. Like, they're trying to optimize every, little thing. Gotta find a name for
Speaker 1:doing anything good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I've been calling them legacy companies, but I don't know. I gotta find a good new It
Speaker 1:really it it's really like it's so parallels oh, this is gonna sound ageist. But it's so parallel like, companies and humans are just like living organisms are so similar. Like, they I just always thought, like, companies live forever. Have I talked about this with you? There's some book.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No. The company's like like a thirty year lifespan once they go public or something
Speaker 1:like that. Oh, it's even less, I think.
Speaker 2:Oh, even less.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's oh, it's even less. Like, companies die and you just assume all the things you grew up with, like, all the things, know, we've enjoyed the Internet for the last ten years, that they'll just be here forever, but they won't. And it's kinda crazy. It's rare that companies make it to fifty years and Yeah.
Speaker 1:Generations are super rare.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, even on like a low on a small scale, this happens too, right? I know so many situations where, someone starts a very successful company, let's say it's like a $50,000,000 company, maybe it's like a small business type of company, a consulting company or like some kind of local business that reaches that scale. And once they retire, nobody in the family really wants to take it over and they just sell it and it just goes away. So it's hard to make something last past your own life even even when you're successful.
Speaker 1:From the same book, did did you know that or did you ever think about the fact that cities cities do live forever?
Speaker 2:Oh, so you're talking about that book, Scale.
Speaker 1:I am. You just guess based on the few points that I made. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:I guess what? I've never even read this book.
Speaker 1:Are you serious? Yep. Is it a dumb book? Is it in the news for being terrible?
Speaker 2:No, it's not dumb book. It's so me and Liz have this really fun relationship where, I I have only read like 10 books. Like, I haven't
Speaker 1:read a lot of books. I've only read
Speaker 2:Yeah. Liz claims I'm under accounting but I swear I read like 10 books. Yes. Doubt. They were like, they were non fiction.
Speaker 2:The idea but they were really really good books and like the ideas show up in a lot of other stuff constantly. And so she reads a ton and she summarizes stuff for me and it's amazing because I don't have because to read the whole I have terrible attention span and I hate reading. Yeah. So she just summarized to me and I can like piece it together based off of like, know, the the knowledge and the 10 books that I have. And Scale is one of ones she's read and yeah, the cities never die thing, the whales with the cancer.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting book. It's funny as you say that, like, you spend I just listen to them on Audible.
Speaker 1:I don't really like sit down with a physical book.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Liz is the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But, like, you can listen to a book fast and kinda, like, burn through them. You go some on some walks. But, like, eight hour book, you know, that's I'm gonna say that's an average book on Audible. Eight hours and there's, like, three paragraphs of insight.
Speaker 1:It's all so fluffy. Like, you could just read the SparkNotes or whatever. It wouldn't be the same experience, but, like, you really can't just tell somebody, like, the gist of a book, and they might as well have read it. I guess that's, like, the good part of, like, human knowledge and sharing in the Internet.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Very quickly, we can all, like, raise the floor for humanity. That just got really, like, philosophical or something. I'm not that person.
Speaker 2:That's why I've only read I've only read so few books because there's only so few books that, like, should have been a book and that there's enough ideas in there that
Speaker 1:Well, mate
Speaker 2:fills a book.
Speaker 1:Now you gotta you gotta tell us the books. What the like, do you remember?
Speaker 2:The 10 specific books, they're just like
Speaker 1:Oh, you're embarrassed
Speaker 2:because they're
Speaker 1:not actually that good. You just built it up like there's it's like the art of war and Moby Dick. What have you read? Come on. No.
Speaker 1:Give me a book. Let let
Speaker 2:me think. So they're they're not secret. They're like the some of the most popular books ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's what I figured.
Speaker 2:Zero to One, of course. Everyone can make fun of
Speaker 1:me for that one. I've read
Speaker 2:that one. A bunch of the Toled books. I think those are pretty dense and they're all pretty unrelated. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're one of those guys. Sorry. I'm just learning something
Speaker 2:about When you you first get on Twitter, everyone starts to read the same books.
Speaker 1:No. It's just it's it's like people who, like, have read all his books, they sort of like they're kinda like a club. I don't know. They they, like, talk about them a lot. You don't ever talk about them, though, so interesting.
Speaker 1:Keep going. More books. No.
Speaker 2:Is that it?
Speaker 1:But I I do read when I've read his books, I feel like he's really smart and I feel like you're really smart. So that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah. People hate his writing style though because he's like such a dick.
Speaker 1:He is.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. But I also love that unsurprisingly.
Speaker 1:He also talks about like the fictitional like Frankie and all these people. I don't know that
Speaker 2:He's obsessed That's with like of the style. Mob culture.
Speaker 1:He's always
Speaker 2:like, yeah.
Speaker 1:But he seems brilliant. He really does.
Speaker 2:No. He he is super smart and people got a little bit cynical about him but he's like consistently had like really good per perspectives on like things across like a huge amount of time, so
Speaker 1:Do you read fiction books? You said like non fiction. Do you read fiction books just for fun?
Speaker 2:I've I still don't read that much fiction. I read like maybe a couple a year at most, maybe like one or two
Speaker 1:fiction books. So that's You've read way more.
Speaker 2:I read a lot of sci fi.
Speaker 1:Oh, sci fi. Oh, guess when I was younger, I read like Michael Crichton stuff. I always liked this stuff.
Speaker 2:Jurassic Park, time timeline or whatever. I've read a few of his books.
Speaker 1:I didn't read either of those. I read like There was like Swarm. It was like the little nanobot things. I should have made a movie on that one. I mean, Jurassic Park was one of the best movies ever.
Speaker 1:I don't need I don't need to read the It was like, it's so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's special and I can't even recall the titles of most of these books. It's just like I think the reality is you can read any 10 books of like the most popular books in this category and like it's the same idea show up over and over. It's just to you
Speaker 1:to like internalize them well.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But yeah, it's I think people have a good idea and they're forced to inflate it into a whole book because otherwise like, what are you gonna sell for $20? Yeah. But it's like, usually when I read a book, within the first thirty minutes, I'm like convinced of their idea. I'm like, this is a good idea and I agree with you and I and and your rights.
Speaker 2:Then like the next seven hours is just them like giving you too many examples. I'm like, I'm already convinced. I'm already convinced. I'm already convinced. So, yeah, it's very few books I think should should be books.
Speaker 1:I was just thinking like, if you're an author and you have these ideas, the alternative to writing a book is just like it could have been a Twitter thread. And then I thought like somebody should make a Twitter account that just like summarizes books like a thread per book. That would do well.
Speaker 2:Shouldn't that exist? I feel like that's gonna be surprising. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I guess it probably does exist.
Speaker 2:But I yeah. It's I think the the next thing I was gonna say so I was like, if I ever wrote a book, you know what it would be about? It would be taking these ideas that show up over and over and all these books that are all super popular, everyone's read them, everyone's like, you gotta read them and everyone says that they read them. I would take I mean, we could look at a dozen of the best ideas from these books and explain them simply and then explain why literally nobody actually, like, digest this idea correctly. Because I feel like with all these books Oh.
Speaker 2:The end advice is true is one true, lot of wisdom in it, very simple, right? These it has all these properties, but very very difficult to actually implement. And what I've seen with most people is they'll read these book, these business books, whatever, that are supposed to like help you do things better. Yeah. And it won't change their behavior, it'll just give them words to rationalize their existing behavior.
Speaker 2:People are so good at, like, taking a good idea and explaining why they're already doing it versus, like, actually doing it. Yeah. So I'd love to, like, write a book just called that's called, like, You're Doing It Wrong and then just
Speaker 1:Oh, man. Can see it, Dax. Can see it on the airport shelves. I think, like, ultimately, you're really good at distilling stuff and presenting it. I think if you did a book that was like 10 chapters, and it was like 10 books, the 10 books you've ever read.
Speaker 1:But, like, each chapter, like you said, does the whole one book. So the whole book would be dense. There would be no fluff. Yeah. Because, like, you you don't have anything you don't have, like, one point that you're trying to bolster.
Speaker 1:You just have, like, these 10 major principles or whatever. I love it. I'm sold. 12 rules or something.
Speaker 2:That's actually why I like zero to one because each chapter was like I felt like a non sequitur. It would just be
Speaker 1:like one random idea, then like another random idea, and then like another random.
Speaker 2:Because there were there were there were a bunch of lectures that were compiled, so it wasn't supposed to be a book.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. There are a bunch of lectures and then this guy compiled it and then recently that guy ran for governor in Arizona or something, Southern Arizona and he was like, extremely weird and looked like he I honestly, like, looking at the guy recently, I feel like I think they cloned Peter Theo and, like, improved his genetics. He looks like genetically modified Peter Theo that dispels all Peter Theo's But, like, it's, like, more handsome and his skin is, like, more like, it's better. I don't know. Something something weird happened there.
Speaker 1:His skin is better?
Speaker 2:He just he just has like this like really smooth skin and like, he's taller and skinnier and it's it's Okay.
Speaker 1:You need to send this to me after we get off here.
Speaker 2:His name is Blake Masters. That's that's his name. Again, is is that a real name?
Speaker 1:Have you heard of Brian Johnson?
Speaker 2:That sounds like a vague name also.
Speaker 1:That this sounds so generic. I hope I got the name right. Brian Johnson, he had like an exit. I wanna say he sold like Venmo or something. No.
Speaker 1:That's not him. Nope. That's not the guy. Maybe it's not Brian Johnson. He's the guy that spends like he spends $2,000,000 a year on his body.
Speaker 1:He just like is obsessed.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what
Speaker 2:talking about? I've seen him.
Speaker 1:What's his name?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And he eats like in this insane way and like Yeah. He's like
Speaker 1:He's hooked up to all these things all day, like sensors.
Speaker 2:Yeah. His body looks like he's like a 16 year old.
Speaker 1:Yeah. His cellular age is like it's de aged by like seven years or something stupid like that. It is Brian Johnson. Just spoke kind of funny. His skin well, it made me think of it when you said it's skin.
Speaker 1:His skin like glows. He looks like an elf from, like, Lord
Speaker 2:of the Rings.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Like, no joke. I'm gonna send you the picture I'm looking at right now. He really does. He looks like he's gonna live forever.
Speaker 1:But then the question is, if you could live forever.
Speaker 2:Yes. I'll do it.
Speaker 1:For real?
Speaker 2:Yeah. In an instant. I'm so afraid of dying.
Speaker 1:Wait. What? You're afraid of dying? We've never talked about this. I mean, I guess everyone's afraid of dying.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, because I don't like talking about it.
Speaker 1:Let's not talk about it. You would live forever. Because my wife talks about how, like, I don't know, she just feels tired sometimes. I don't That sounds
Speaker 2:Let's feel the same way.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's like, I wouldn't wanna live to be a 150. That's like that's so many lifetimes. And it's really true. Like, life lifespan has increased a ton in the last hundred years.
Speaker 1:Right? I know the whole world's catching up. Like, in the leading nations, like, the average lifespan, has it doubled from, like, 50 to a 100 in the last hundred years? Something stupid like that? Not not a 100.
Speaker 1:Sorry. The lifespan's not a 100, but like people live to be a 100. Lifespan's like 70 something now. I don't know. It went from like 40 to 70.
Speaker 1:It was something crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And Well, there is that like woke 12 year old thing, which is like, actually, that's because babies were dying and that was bringing down the average.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that true? So people weren't really dying at 45?
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm sure it's yeah. I'm sure it has increased. I don't but I I don't know like what the little practical Yeah. Number is.
Speaker 1:I'm just wondering like, if our brain is prepared to be alive for a hundred and fifty years or a hundred and twenty years or whatever, like
Speaker 2:I'm down to find out. Okay. Yeah. Like, why not?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, some people say, like, longevity is just there's no upper bound. We're just gonna keep going.
Speaker 2:The thing I think about is what a waste, what a loss it is when someone dies in terms of like the resources and stuff that took to get someone to like be born and to learn everything they learned and like to make all the mistakes and eventually become someone with like skill and knowledge and wisdom, etcetera. And then they just die and then you start over. Like, imagine if, like, Einstein, like, another hundred years, like, I wonder what he would have done. Imagine, like, the greatest people on Earth, like, if they had, like, another hundred years of, like, learning and growing, like, I think from that perspective
Speaker 1:Interesting. I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, it's also good that, like, bad people die and they're not running forever. Like, you can always rely on
Speaker 1:But what is bad, Dax? What is a bad what is a bad person?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean, no. I know I know what you're talking about. I don't know why I asked that question.
Speaker 2:Think it's story.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's good that he died. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. Okay. There's bad. I don't know where I
Speaker 1:was headed with that. This is we've been all over the place. This one, don't this has made a tough title.
Speaker 2:Well, I got one more thing to talk about.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, this we actually talked about this earlier because we were talking about Twitch. But, speaking of companies that are just like messing up, did you see all their Reddit API stuff? No. So Reddit some app developer, I didn't look into the details, so I don't know what these numbers actually translate to, but he builds a very popular third party app for Reddit, which is important because Reddit sucks in so many ways, so third party apps are very popular. Reddit told him it's gonna cost him $20,000,000 a year to continue to Yeah.
Speaker 2:Use the
Speaker 1:was the app?
Speaker 2:I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Because I've got a friend who he worked at Zapier. Zapier? Zapier? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I I figured Zapier because I think they're called Zaps.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Zapier. So we worked together.
Speaker 1:His name's Grant. And he left Zapier because his it's called postpone. His, like, Reddit scheduling tool was, like, making as much as his salary and, like, he's doing really well with it. But if Oh, wow. I know don't if he's gonna start paying a ton in API, I'd love to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's like another example of like Twitter, like companies trying to clamp down on their API. And again, this is a really great example of I gotta find the right word for this. Like a company hits their peak and from there, it just the only people that work with the company are a bunch of, like, micro optimizers. Like, they just try to,
Speaker 1:like Yeah.
Speaker 2:Cling on to what they have and, like, eke out every dollar from it because they know that they are just not capable of ever creating anything bigger or better or newer.
Speaker 1:It's so weird. I like, I'm I don't understand the principles that like why big companies can't keep doing cool things. Can't they just hire a bunch of people who've never done anything to come in and do their first thing? Why is it everybody gets one first thing?
Speaker 2:I don't I think the issue is that there's all these forces that show up once you're starting to be successful that push you into becoming a quote unquote grown up company. But these things also guarantee that you're just hit your maximum and never gonna go past Yeah. That like Yeah. I think the issue is most of the world is represented by this category of person. So anything that becomes successful, eventually those people are gonna outnumber you.
Speaker 2:They show up around you, they start to work at your companies or deploy in different ways. So, yeah, I think that's why you see founders leave. Like the Reddit founder hasn't been there in in in forever. Yeah. So again, there's another situation where it's like, I think to anyone anyone that's like in like a builder mindset, like, would never make API access harder, charge for it.
Speaker 2:Right. Anyone building a cool thing, cynically, it's they're doing prior research for you, you can just snipe their features and put them in once they validated it. And two, like, it's such like a boost to your ecosystem and your audience and everything. And that should overpower the fact that, oh, technically we can make a couple million dollars if we start charging this. But yeah, I think once you reach a certain point, people just don't have any ideas for anything new.
Speaker 2:So they're just like, well, all we have is to start charging
Speaker 1:for API if we wanna make more money. So they're just
Speaker 2:the signals that you start to get from companies, know, they're never really gonna do anything great again. And Yeah. Red has been that way for a long time with like, I like to have stopped I used to use them a lot. I haven't used them much at
Speaker 1:all in like the past five years. Yeah. I don't really use Reddit. The only time I've ever been on Reddit is like, oh, when I did something really cool, I wanna put it on Reddit. And then everybody's like, you can't do that.
Speaker 1:You can't just pop in here and put something cool. You gotta like be a member, a community member, an upstanding citizen. How'd you feel how'd you feel about this one? I think it's good. I don't mind when we cover all sorts of things and go all over the place.
Speaker 1:I don't either.
Speaker 2:I don't
Speaker 1:really care.
Speaker 2:It's a nice little roller
Speaker 1:coaster for everyone. Never know what to expect. I wish I could just name the title. I want to like, if there's like a random episode namer tool. I just don't even wanna make the name of the episodes be topical.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't that be fun? If it was just like banana sandwich. Oh, yeah. Like, we pick we picked a theme. Oh, sure.
Speaker 1:A theme. I would I meant like literally random words. I don't know. Interesting. I like that.
Speaker 1:A theme could be good. What like, what is there, like, a 100 of?
Speaker 2:A million of. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or okay. A million. Yeah. That's a little more ambitious.
Speaker 2:Actually, I do think the title is is kind of like, I can see people
Speaker 1:benefiting from the title. Okay. Well, you're not any fun.
Speaker 2:To find the episode where we talked about replicas. Like, it's nice that there's
Speaker 1:a I guess. Yeah. I guess. We should really put our transcript okay. This is getting off the off the rails.
Speaker 1:We should probably end this. Was gonna say we should put we should actually have a transcript and put it on the website.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Is that not something Transistor already does?
Speaker 1:I don't think so. That has a place where you can upload one. I feel like transcripts are okay. We gotta stop. We gotta stop.
Speaker 1:We're about to start it up again. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Bye.
Speaker 1:Bye.
