One of the Best Episodes We've Seen From the Standpoint of Water

Teej:

Are we talking about this on the pod? This is going on terminal dot shop anyway.

Dax:

It's re we're recording.

Teej:

Okay. Okay. Good. Good. Good.

Teej:

Alright.

Dax:

So what kind of coffee are you drinking?

Teej:

Oh, just a little bit of Terminal Don Shop, a little artisan blend actually this morning.

Dax:

Wow. It's our limited edition. We're gonna I I totally forgot that we're gonna run out of

Teej:

Both of our limited editions right now. Yeah. Know.

Dax:

I don't know if you saw but we did the cron run this

Teej:

Right. We flow

Dax:

and then Yeah. We were Yeah. I'm glad it was only two or three. I guess it was there was three that were that were out. I'm like, okay, I gotta factor that in.

Dax:

Sometimes we run out of materials, you know. I'm just used to software where there's infinite everything.

Teej:

I just pay more money and it shows up instantly.

Dax:

Yeah, exactly. We we we kept trying to do intros and it was always so awkward, so then we just let Chris out

Teej:

of the I did see in the last one that Adam accused you of having white face, So I did see at least that was the last one that I watched. So I think that was the very first words out of your guys' mouth on the new channel too, which was great. So I was like, wow, this is super good for the brand. Thanks, guys.

Dax:

I was taken aback. He, you know, Adam's not usually that aggressive. Yeah. He doesn't usually, leave me speechless that often, so

Teej:

Well, when when he is that aggressive, it's not on purpose. He's like, he's just saying your face looks really bright, like, for him, there's no there's no additional connotations.

Dax:

That's also the episode where he said that other thing that we

Teej:

I know. I wasn't I didn't I didn't wanna accidentally slip up and say it again, you know.

Dax:

But he was definitely on a a weird headspace.

Teej:

He was getting ready to unplug. He was getting ready to unplug. True.

Dax:

Well, I guess I should explain that. The reason this is not Adam for everyone listening. This is this is TDA. Adam is on a forced vacation. I mean, just normal vacation for the past past week.

Dax:

He was

Teej:

like, guys, if you see me on Slack, reprimand me.

Dax:

I have not been doing that. I've been messaging him like several times a day with every OpenCode update. So I've been doing the exact opposite.

Teej:

I've been using OpenCode. I was using it today on stream.

Dax:

Yeah. I saw you were doing Elixir. I was like, I if

Teej:

surprised that it dark mode and it just changed everything perfectly. It was actually great.

Dax:

Was that Elixir or was that more

Teej:

Well, it's like it's inside of Heex, which is their like template string thing for generating like HTML stuff.

Dax:

Never said that out loud. Is that how you say it?

Teej:

I don't know. It's h e e x.

Dax:

So I guess that makes sense, but it's one of those things that I never said out loud, Heex.

Teej:

I figured it's kinda like mixing, like, HTML and like, Elixir.

Dax:

E ex. Right? Rest of my head is go e e x, but I guess

Teej:

I guess But there's an h at the beginning. You're just silent h ing it?

Dax:

Well, I I I left Elixir by the time they added the h. Okay.

Teej:

Oh, it should just be .eex.

Dax:

I think those are that's just their general templating language and then Uh-oh. The h is the HTML flavor. I thought Gotcha. If I remember correctly, it's been a while.

Teej:

Okay. Yeah. I haven't done anything besides I also don't usually put it in the separate file. There's like a really nice way to just do like a sigil. Be like the tilde h, and then you can put it directly in the file.

Teej:

And that's pretty much what I always do. Although, I'm no Elixir experts. So

Dax:

I'm surprised that it works well with Elixir.

Teej:

It it it did it did a lot of good stuff so far. It even was Yes. Like, it was kinda paying attention to sending messages in, the AppJS side and the, like, the actual Elixir component because, you gotta communicate with them via message passing. Right?

Dax:

Right.

Teej:

And it was it was actually like keeping track of it between the two and stuff. So I was pretty impressed. I was like, oh, this is good. It's good.

Dax:

Nice. Yeah. Did did did it did it switch to v four or I don't know if you noticed.

Teej:

No. I think I'm still I needed the I didn't run an update. Oh,

Dax:

Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Teej:

But I was gonna try it with v four, but I didn't know I didn't know how fast I was gonna run out of your tokens, you know. So I was trying to be I didn't see what the pricing what what what's the scoop on v four, Dax?

Dax:

V four is this exact same price, which is good.

Teej:

Oh, nice.

Dax:

So, like, it's a kind of no brainer upgrade. And I was kinda worried it was gonna be you know how like ChatGPT adds new models where they never remove the old ones?

Teej:

Yeah.

Dax:

Mhmm. But now it's like an ever growing listener to know what to use? So I was worried that Anthropic was gonna do that too. But it seems like they're just This is like a one to one replacement and there's same pricing. It's like become a default in their web app.

Dax:

There's like

Teej:

Yeah.

Dax:

No reason to use the old one. I used it a bunch yesterday. I didn't notice any immediate like, woah, this is definitely better. But there's there's some people that do like the like reviews of these things in a more rigorous way and it seemed pretty good. Someone I don't know if it's true or not, but someone said that it stopped inserting comments everywhere, which is a No huge

Teej:

way. Anthropic in shambles, dude. Like 25% of their like tokens were comments.

Teej:

They're they're

Dax:

gonna That's be true.

Teej:

They're gonna be down in revenue so hard after this.

Dax:

Yeah. The funniest thing about the token based billing thing is sometimes it just doesn't work that you talk to it for like five minutes and it doesn't give you what you want, but then you end up paying for it anyway, which is like

Teej:

Yes. And it it is kind of a weird, like, incentive I mean, like, they're still incentivized to get the best model. You know what I mean? But they're definitely not incentivized in the same way to make, like, the most brief model. Right?

Teej:

You know what I mean? Like, they're like, well, we have the best one. It just has to talk a lot to get there. Sorry, guys. I don't know what to tell you.

Dax:

Yeah. I mean, hopefully, the space is competitive enough that

Teej:

Right.

Dax:

They can't, like, sit on any of anything like that. But

Teej:

Yeah. But it does just seem like it's just a little bit sort of weird in the sense that

Dax:

Mhmm.

Teej:

Like like, you compare it to like Cursor. Cursor, if they're gonna give you like a flat rate for the month, they're like desperately trying to make sure that they're like pushing down all the token costs as much as possible. So it is kinda interesting, but like, it's also, yeah, it doesn't seem like they have the space to just be like, we'll just let it yap forever and people not like it.

Dax:

The other model it like cuts both ways, right? Because the other model is kinda like a gym membership where

Teej:

They're hoping you don't use it.

Dax:

Yeah. In a way, you're like, we want them to use it but like not too much. Yeah.

Teej:

Yeah. Only only for the first two or three months of the year.

Dax:

I can't believe how real of a trope that is. Like I

Teej:

Yeah.

Dax:

Just the first month of the year, the gym is just insane. And it's crazy that we're all aware of this, but everyone just does it anyway.

Teej:

It doesn't stop anybody from being like, well, this is my year for the gym. Oh, you know, it's like those other guys. This is like this just goes to show engineers are so wrong when they think like the best product is gonna win. Like, no, the one that understands people the best is gonna win. If you could make a pop up gym that only existed for three months of the year and then their other nine months of the year, you didn't have to pay rent, you would be the richest gym owner of all time.

Dax:

What is that? What is that like Halloween costume store that works this way?

Teej:

Oh, Spirit. Spirit and Halloween. Exactly.

Dax:

You Do exactly that.

Teej:

They should be switching. You know what I'm saying? Like, they because Spirit Halloween does nothing January through June. I think we

Teej:

just found a merger

Teej:

that could really change the game. Like, don't publish this episode. We need to get straight to we need to go talk to some VCs really quick about this.

Dax:

That's actually genius.

Teej:

Because they have enough time after Halloween to turn it back into the gym, get it all out of the boxes. You got three months. They can leave one corner of Spirit always set up for the gym. Do know what I mean? For like

Dax:

That's true.

Teej:

For the six people that, like, actually keep their New Year's resolution and are there like in June. But then but then they they just like auto it's an auto scaling gym, dude. We're just taking what the thing we've learned from the cloud and bringing it to the physical space.

Dax:

You just get you just get the people that show up on January 1 to, like, move the gym equipment in to send them out to the workout for the day. Yeah.

Teej:

And you're like, oh, well, actually, what you have to do is starting in December, you have to be saying, oh, the real way to properly lose weight is real kinds of labor. See, like Yeah. Machine equipment labor is really not the optimal way. You know? So it's like Yeah.

Teej:

You need real muscles. Not like Jay. We don't want just show muscles. Right? We need actual muscles here.

Teej:

Jay's over there, they just have Jay on the side like doing this but then he can't lift up the couch and they're like, see? See, guys, you should be moving the couches. That's how you get that's how you get actually strong.

Dax:

It's funny. There was a there was a TV show, can't remember what it was, maybe it was Shameless or something where that's like a plot point. The guy starts a gym training program but they're just doing like moving work or like construction work. But like,

Teej:

the thing is They're paying him. Yeah. So

Dax:

he's making money on both sides. But like, it's also not stupid because the people that do that work are the strongest people I've ever met.

Teej:

Oh, yeah.

Dax:

It's crazy how and they they don't they usually don't look like anything, but just doing that stuff every day, like, it just makes you a beast.

Teej:

Right. And then they're just like picking up stuff no problem. Like, you know, like Yeah. Oh, I need some help moving my couch. And they're like, I can do it.

Teej:

You're like, isn't it a two person job? Oh, no. I got it. It's just like, up on the shoulder.

Dax:

Yeah. It's crazy. So I moved when I moved from New York, we hired movers and then when when I moved one house over, we hired some just help with a few things and like yeah. They like soloed stuff where I would just be like, there's no way I could even move that with multiple because it's not just like a strength thing, it's like Yeah. Stuff is just weirdly shaped.

Dax:

I guess this is this is a strength thing, it's like weirdly shaped, you can't grab it the right way. We have one of those egg like, have a Kamado Joe, it's one of those like really heavy ceramic egg

Teej:

Oh, know. We've seen your we've seen your steak picks. It's fine. Yeah. We know.

Teej:

We're

Dax:

aware. Yeah. They just like he like Don't

Teej:

put the top though onto the fake grass, dude.

Dax:

Yes. Oh, man. I did that twice, you know that. That was a thing

Teej:

I did it again? Or I that did it

Dax:

in the other house. Oh.

Teej:

You had fake grass in the other house too?

Dax:

I mean, the the same landlord owns both houses and whenever he Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just for the for the listeners, I accidentally put a hot cast iron pan on the ground but my ground is fake grass made of plastic. And within like less than a second, because I realized right away I lifted it, I tried to lift it back up.

Teej:

Yeah. It

Dax:

like fused to the gravel, like belts of plastic infused. But yeah, I've done this I've I've done this twice. So it feels extra stupid the second time around.

Teej:

Did but I mean, have you ever done it where you just grabbed it like with no gloves or have you escaped that fate? Like, without an oven

Dax:

that I'm myself? Yeah. I I've I've touched it by accident, like Okay. Yeah. With my my elbow.

Teej:

But Dude, because I'm always worried about that. Also, are your Slack sound just going ham right now, Dex?

Dax:

Is that gonna be it? I think it

Teej:

Yo, leave that in. Chris, leave that in.

Dax:

I got the vacuum in last time, now I got the noises. Let me move it here.

Teej:

Yeah. I'm always Kylene's been all about cast iron lately. Mhmm. And like, you know, we've been doing lots of eggs on the cast iron. Now we have like mini cast irons and stuff, so she can do like little eggs for the kids and all this stuff.

Teej:

And I'm always so nervous. It's it's like three hours afterwards. Can I touch

Dax:

this? Yeah.

Teej:

I'll get out the oven just in case. She's like,

Teej:

that was yesterday. You know, like

Dax:

Yeah. No. I I definitely I I use a cast iron as my primary I've used a cast iron as my primary hand for, like, many years. Yeah. And the first thing I do after cooking is just blast it in the sink because I'm just so paranoid that I'm gonna I'm gonna touch it.

Teej:

You're not supposed to you're not supposed to put it in the sink though afterwards. Doesn't that mess it up?

Dax:

Okay. So I've experimented a lot and I think it's a little overstated. So I Oh. You like, you can even use soap, like it's actually not that big of a deal. But I also switched to carbon steel.

Dax:

I don't know which one you guys have but

Teej:

Oh, I don't know.

Dax:

Yeah. The newer flavor of cast iron is like a carbon steel

Teej:

thing. You're linking it or something?

Dax:

What do you

Teej:

mean flavor?

Dax:

The newer material.

Teej:

I was just like, I'm just eating it.

Dax:

Well, you should. Isn't that the whole thing with the cast iron? They like retain the flavor over the years,

Teej:

so Yeah.

Dax:

Yeah. There's a literal flavor to it too.

Teej:

Yeah.

Dax:

But the the carbon steel ones, I think, are definitely a lot more are a lot less delicate. You can Yeah. They let

Teej:

you get away with a lot more. Yeah. Yeah. Kayleen just says don't just don't do anything with them. She's like, I've spent a lot of time seasoning these correctly.

Dax:

Just Yeah.

Teej:

Don't touch them. You know, something like, okay, you got it. That's that seems like a smart plan.

Dax:

Yeah. It's crazy that I don't to be honest, they seem like magic to me because you just like rub oil on them and then you heat it up and you just do that consistently and then like it becomes extremely nonstick. Like I don't even understand how any

Teej:

of that And it's can clean? You're like, how can Everything it be else I have to put in the dishwasher. That doesn't make Yeah,

Dax:

I know. I know. But yeah, it works. But I I've been through a few. I've definitely messed up some.

Dax:

Well, I messed up the one that I stuck to the ground, so By the way, you see it's like, imagine cast iron, like, you understand how heavy and strong it is.

Teej:

Yeah.

Dax:

When it fused into the grass and we were trying to pull it off Yeah. We bent the handle all the way and like warped it all before it came out. How strong this this thing was.

Teej:

That's crazy. That's so funny though.

Dax:

Unsurprised yeah. It's one of the surprising downsides of having plastic grass that no literally nobody will tell you about.

Teej:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's you're one of a select few. It's like this is like I just imagine like, does anyone else ever accidentally fuse their cast iron to, like, get up get up at the beginning of a stand up show?

Teej:

Hey, guys. Thanks for coming to the idea of Dex. Anyone else ever get their cast iron stuck to their fake grass in

Teej:

the backyard? Am I right? Am I right?

Teej:

Just dead silence like crickets.

Dax:

You're but I honestly feel like I can't be the only one. Like, this must be a common thing.

Teej:

Probably in Miami, I feel like there's a better chance. There's a better chance. The overlap of people who like making stakes on cast iron and who have fake grass backyards is a lot higher than the average, I would say.

Dax:

Yeah. The fake grass thing is huge here and it's grown on me a little bit, but

Teej:

It doesn't grow, Dex. It literally can't.

Dax:

I swear, I think I've seen it grow.

Teej:

You're watching. Liz, are we sure this is fake?

Teej:

I swear it's taller.

Dax:

The funniest is when I post videos and people and I get it like Twitter compression and stuff, they can't exactly tell it's fake. They're like, wow, like your grass is amazing. What's your

Teej:

secret? So green, dude. How are you doing that?

Dax:

Yeah. That's I do have a trick.

Teej:

Yeah. Yeah. It's this one this one trick landscapers hate, you know? Like, that's like I go over to my dad's and his grass is always immaculate, but it's real.

Dax:

Yeah. It's funny. I was gonna say the exact same thing because my dad has gotten super into grass the We've always like, he's always had people come and take care of it. Like, he's doing he's been doing it all himself now for the past, I think, two years. And it looks insane.

Dax:

And to the point where he's like the consultant for the neighborhood where They come out. They're like, okay, me out with the situation. Yeah. Do you are you like a grass person? Like, do you manage the grass in your house?

Teej:

I mean, I'm the one that goes and like does all of the things that needed, but I I I always told Killeen like I don't wanna be a grass farmer. Like, I'm not interested in in that. My dad makes fun of me because I always told him when I was growing up like, dad, I will never buy a house with a lawn. I will find like, you know, like, because I always hated doing yard work. Surprise.

Teej:

Like, well, who could have guessed the computer guy who likes to sit in his basement, you know. And then he's like, so you bought a house with a bunch of grass and you have a dog now. You told me none of these things were gonna happen. But So I like I do the stuff for grass, but it's it's just like, you know, very very simple. Put out some seed at the beginning of the year, throw some fertilizer and weed killer at some point.

Teej:

We're like backed up to like some woods area. So we have a lot of like like thistles and other stuff that kind of like come up out of the woods every year. So if I don't put anything down, then we get a lot of like really pokey thistles on the ground and the kids run around. But it was like, it's fine. I just put like twice twice in the summer.

Teej:

I just put something down on it and then it's like, oh, it's it's good and then it's soft. But it doesn't look like my dad's. You know, I feel like my dad's looks like I could lay down and like take a nap on it and it'd be like soft and comfy. Mine is mine is not that level.

Dax:

Yeah. You have like a sloping I've seen like videos of your backyard. Your backyard like kind of slopes down, right? Yeah.

Teej:

Yeah. So it's like I have like a like it's flat for a little bit after hours then it slopes down into the into the woods and then I got tired of mowing that so I just like left it to to grow wild. And so far, none of my neighbors have complained, so that's good.

Dax:

Because like they'd have to look at it?

Teej:

Yeah. Well, yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. People yard.

Teej:

I'm they're doing their yard and then mine doesn't look the same, but it's fine like where I am. It's like it it it goes into the woods so it looks pretty natural. But, yeah, it's pretty funny. The thing that looks really bad in my backyard right now is we just removed. We had like a above ground pool from when we moved in but like with a deck like built around half of it.

Dax:

Oh, I see.

Teej:

And we took out the pool because I don't really like it that much and you don't get as much use in Michigan as you do in Miami.

Dax:

Right.

Teej:

You know, like most of the year, it's just a big circle.

Dax:

Of ice?

Teej:

Yeah. I mean, the main thing is it's just annoying with, like, little kids because you don't want your little kids to run around unsupervised in the backyard without the pool. Like, it doesn't matter how many gates you put around it. I'm like, my kid can figure out gates.

Dax:

Yeah. It's like worry in the back of your head. Yeah. We just took an infant CPR class and they were just like describing all the different ways Yeah. Things could go wrong.

Teej:

Yeah. That's that's a surefire way to start getting you nervous. You're like, oh my goodness. There's There's so many things that could be not right about this. But, yeah.

Teej:

So we ripped that out. So now we have a actually, the kids love it though. They're gonna be so sad when I change it. Because underneath the pool was just like sand, you know, because they used that to like level it and everything. So it's a huge sandbox.

Dax:

That's amazing.

Teej:

24 feet, right, like, diameter, a big circle sandbox, and the kids are like, this is awesome. They're like digging up sand, they're like throwing it, and like going in, like, taking rocks from the sand and throwing it off the deck back into the sand and they're like, this is so cool. I'm like, I hate to tell you guys this, but dad is gonna take that away soon. I am gonna I'm not gonna let the big sand circle stay in the backyard forever.

Dax:

That does sound really awesome. Are you gonna are you guys like gonna put something else there or you just bring up the space?

Teej:

Yeah. We're gonna make the so like we have a walkout basement. So the back of the house is two like two stories. Right? So, we have like a deck that comes out from like the kitchen area and then there's steps down and then that was like the deck with the pool.

Teej:

So, we're just turning that now like into a rectangle for like a spot to sit and hang out and like have another table and other stuff there. And then, we're gonna a bunch of like gardens and possibly chicken coop Oh, chicken coop. Back there too. So yeah, it was it's very funny. There was a a video I saw recently where it was this guy talking and he was like, if your wife says she's gonna start making sourdough because she doesn't like the chemicals in bread, congrats.

Teej:

You're a farmer now. And like, it was like literally describing my exact last year where it was

Dax:

like Yeah.

Teej:

I think I started making sourdough. And I'm like, sick. Like, that sounds good. She's like, cheddar jalapeno sourdough bread sound good? Yes.

Teej:

That sounds amazing. Hey. So just throwing it out there, what about chickens? You know? Just go to the hardware store and start buying the coop materials.

Teej:

You're gonna be building it in no time.

Dax:

That's so funny. Yeah. My house had a chicken coop in the back of that where that

Teej:

Oh, really?

Dax:

Shed area was. Oh, yeah. There was a Yeah. It's it's Like, it got it got removed before we moved in, but

Teej:

Okay.

Dax:

Yeah. Someone had chickens back there. And I guess, I'm assuming the grass was real back then also.

Teej:

Yeah. You wouldn't want it with fake grass. It'll be so gross, so fast. Yeah.

Dax:

Yeah. There's a there's a Weirdly, even though Miami is a city, there's a lot of people that have chickens.

Teej:

Yeah. It's pretty pretty in right now. Pretty in.

Dax:

Yeah.

Teej:

I mean, it's nice. Like, so right now though I mean, I feel like the life hack is we have a bunch of people at our church who are doing chickens. Like, we got this friend, they got like a 100.

Dax:

Yep. Exactly.

Teej:

Like, they're they're like, seriously, they they were they're go they're growing like crazy. Their their egg business is growing like crazy. It's 10 x ing, you know? Like, this is hockey stick growth they've got over at their house. And, like, all the and so they're like, we have so many eggs.

Teej:

Like, here's, you know, you like a dozen for like barely anything. I'm like, I mean, this is not so bad. I just pick up a new you know, a dozen or two dozen eggs every week at church from them. That's simpler than cleaning out the chicken coop. I'm just throwing it out there.

Teej:

Like.

Dax:

Yeah. When when all those egg prices were going up, there was like this similar like underground network that was forming here where where Liz's sister was getting eggs from someone that had chickens and then chopping them off. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Dax:

It was but yeah, it's it's crazy how many they produce. Like, you get a lot of

Teej:

eggs from Like, night a day.

Dax:

They do that every day. That's crazy.

Teej:

That is crazy, dude.

Dax:

A lot of work.

Teej:

The it reminds me though, I was talking to a buddy of mine. He's mechanical engineer, very very buttoned up, you know, very straightforward guy about a lot of stuff. Likes to do all of his own projects, this kind of thing. Right? And he's got like five kids, you know, he's got a bunch of kids, etcetera.

Teej:

And we're having breakfast and I'm cracking up because we were just we were actually talking about going on the yacht and doing the music video and other stuff like this. And like how, you know, you can just like spend money and like make things happen, know, and like sometimes not even that much money like to do the audit wasn't even that much money like compared to going out for dinner at a nice restaurant. Right? Like a bunch of companies are like, yeah, we'll have the whole company out for dinner at a restaurant, whatever. So so we're talking about this and everything.

Teej:

And my buddy goes, yeah. I just I just don't really get it. Like, I can never even think of things to spend money on. And the rest of the table is like, what? Like, dude.

Teej:

Like, he's like, yeah. I just like I've got all these projects that I need to do and stuff. And we're like,

Teej:

Brian, that's what you could spend money on, dude.

Teej:

Your wife would be so happy if, like, 30 construction dude came in and, like, finished all your projects in one week. You know? Like, it just reminds me of the eggs thing. I'm like, I can turn money into time, and I can turn time into money, and I can do both. And and, you know, like, I can just buy eggs for $4.

Teej:

But I was cracking up. I knew you would like I can't even imagine, like, what? I don't even know how to spend money. And I'm like, dude.

Dax:

Man, I wish I had that problem. That sounds nice.

Teej:

That is not relatable.

Dax:

I just have all this money and I don't know what to do with it. Wow.

Teej:

Right. Well, it wasn't even that. It's just like, you know, like, know, he works like engineering job. He just like, you know, just not like, oh, he owns a random plumbing business that act, you know, secretly does 5,000,000 a year or something like that. Like, regular mechanical engineer.

Teej:

Like, yeah, man. I just can't even think of like, what do people even spend money on?

Dax:

I'm like, oh. That's really funny.

Teej:

If you don't have any use for it, like, I'm available.

Dax:

You can hire me to do anything.

Teej:

Yeah. Mean, or just give it to me, like, if you really like, it's so useless.

Dax:

That's funny. So are you guys so you're gonna do like a garden also you said? You're grow like little vegetables?

Teej:

When we lived in Madison before we had kids, I built a pretty big raised bed garden like around we had like just a a deck. It was probably I don't know, maybe like 10 feet by 20 feet, something like this. I built like a raised bed garden like around most of that and we grew a ton a ton of stuff which was really fun like a bunch of like peppers, like different kinds too, like jalapenos as well as like bell and and some like Anaheim and a few other kinds. We, you know, did tomatoes.

Dax:

All that grows in Michigan? That's kind of crazy.

Teej:

All that will grow. I mean, you won't be able to grow it in the wintertime, you know what I'm saying? Okay. But like, you get for some of them, like, you might need to do a little bit of sprouting, like, inside beforehand. Like, especially because you run the risk of, like, a random, like, frost happening in May.

Teej:

And then, all your plants die. Right? You're like, oh, well, that sucks. Yeah. Go ahead.

Dax:

I guess I'm done for this year.

Teej:

Yeah. I guess because we need to either go buy them all now, like, in the expensive version of, like, partially grown or not. But yeah. Right. I mean, we also grew, cucumbers, peas, potatoes.

Teej:

Potatoes are hilarious to grow. Like What? So, the super easy way is if you get like a big bucket or something, they also make these like little bags that you can do it in. You plant the potatoes in that have sprouted. You put them like at the bottom and you only fill the bucket up like this high.

Teej:

Right? Okay. With dirt. And then as the stalks grow taller, you just keep on piling more dirt on and more dirt because you eat the root part. Right?

Teej:

Then it's like

Dax:

Oh, I see.

Teej:

Oh, the plant's like, bro, we got more dirt. Time to put some more potatoes in the ground. And so, like so then when you're done, have this huge, like, bush of, like, potato shoots, like, shooting up at the top. But then all the way down are potatoes. And so Yeah.

Teej:

I I we wanna do we did it a little bit last year, but we'll do it again sometime. It's like, then it's like a dinosaur expedition, dude. You jump off a big bag and you like have your kids like, they're like sifting through and they're

Teej:

like, I've got a potato bomb.

Teej:

But you can get a ton. You can turn one potato into like 20 probably. Like seriously, it's crazy. Yeah.

Dax:

Is that like like sometimes you have a potato for too long, it like starts to

Teej:

Yeah. Yeah. You can just bite those That's

Dax:

basically what that is. Oh, I see.

Teej:

The only thing you get worried about for like when you get it from the store and planting them is some of them have like some like already pesticides or insecticides on them that like will prevent them from like properly, like, all the way sprouting. You know what I'm saying? Like, they might do, like, a little bit of sprout. But, yeah, like, it's crazy too because then if you take your seed potatoes that you used, you grow a bunch of potatoes, you just have new seed potatoes again. Like, that's magic.

Dax:

It's extra that again, another exponential growth all of those. The meme.

Teej:

That was

Dax:

I know. Was think it was tomatoes.

Teej:

Funny for tomatoes. It what cracks me up every time. Like, would you rather have a million dollars or would you rather have 10 tomatoes? And he's like, number one, a million dollars would stop me from grinding. Number two, think about it like this.

Teej:

You start growing your tomatoes today. Each tomato grows 30 seeds. Each seed, you can plant it again. Before you know it, you've got 10,000,000,000 tomatoes. This

Dax:

is so funny.

Teej:

I know. I

Dax:

We got that mango tree last year.

Teej:

Oh,

Dax:

yeah. And it's still in the pot, like we haven't put it in the ground yet and it's been a year. Mhmm. And a couple months ago, it started flowering and I was like, oh, this is crazy. Like, we've only had this for a year.

Dax:

Yeah. And then they were like, probably like a 100 to 200 and it's a mango tree. Yeah. It's like, it's got a baby still. There's like a 100 to 200 little, like, tiny little mangoes.

Dax:

And I was like, this is crazy that's already happening. Yeah. And it's so brutal because over the next couple weeks, every single one of them either like Just

Teej:

fell down.

Dax:

Yeah. The wind knocked it off or like it just dried up and died. And now, there is one. Is one mango, like, that's like this size, but like two inches. And it's like the lone survivor out of out of hundreds of these Dude,

Teej:

Zuko's gonna eat it when you're not looking.

Dax:

He likes mangoes. I share mangoes with him all the time,

Teej:

so he knows.

Dax:

Oh, that's funny.

Teej:

We had this one we had this one flower that would grow in our like, you walk out the front door Mhmm. And then there's like, we got a little garden next to front door. Right in front of it, there's this big like some sort of crazy lily that would grow. But it'll always grow kinda late. But the problem is the deer always come and eat it in our front yard.

Teej:

So, like, they they hang out in the woods and they just walk in. They're chill with all the people, dude. It's so funny. Like, when I walk Ember around at night, there's Yeah. Sometimes you just see, five deer.

Teej:

They're just walking on the street. They're just like casually hanging out in the neighborhood like

Dax:

They're like using the sidewalks?

Teej:

Yeah. Yeah. They they literally. No. Literally, I've seen them like on the sidewalks just walking down the street or like hanging out.

Teej:

And so, they would always eat it. One year, out of like the six that we've lived at this house or something like that, one year, I finally see it grow. I'm like, wow, that's really pretty. That's crazy. I'm like, Kayleen, you gotta come see this and we were busy so she didn't see it so she's gonna go look at it tomorrow.

Teej:

Ember destroyed it. She like got it up and was like, oh, this one looks fun. And she like pulled it out from the root. It was like running around with the balls in her mouth and stuff and you're like, that's crazy dog. Like, are

Dax:

you doing? That's so funny. Is she gonna be with the chickens?

Teej:

Good, think. Yeah. She's actually really like chill with little animals. Actually, one time, it was a little the thing is I know my dog, so I knew it was gonna be fine. We have like Yeah.

Teej:

A bunch of baby birds that always they all like, in the underneath our deck, they always make nests and stuff up there and then like, so we always get some baby birds hanging out. And one time I was literally streaming and I went out I had to go take Amber outside to go to the bathroom because I was streaming for a while on that day. And so I did like I just switched to my phone and I was doing it. I go outside. One of the baby birds is on the ground and I'm Oh, no.

Teej:

Outside with Amber. And I'm like, I'm gonna let her go say hi to the bird. Like, knew it'd be fine. And it was totally fine. She just went up and she's like really gentle with the bird.

Teej:

She didn't try and like demolish it or anything. She's like super gentle with little animals. But chat was like freaking out. You know, they're like Monk ass spamming like they're freaking out. I'm like

Dax:

That's so funny.

Teej:

He was like I was like, oh, in retrospect, that could have probably gone bad. Like, know, like, I don't know. And but yeah. She's she's really chill with with other animals. I think if we like like we were working on introducing them to her slowly and she got that it was like fun and the kids were hanging out with it with other animals and everything.

Teej:

I think she would be she would be good with them. So but there is there is always the chance where one day she's like, I'm a little hungry.

Dax:

Yeah. There's this I'm forgetting his name now, but he he's like he's on Twitter and he's like part of AWS community. Mhmm. He had

Teej:

a Adam. Crazy dev?

Dax:

Oh. No. This is a different this is a different AWS hero.

Teej:

Okay. Alright.

Dax:

Got it. Got it. There are many of them. Yeah. Yeah.

Dax:

Adam's the weakest one of all AWS heroes. Like, everyone always forgets that he's won. He forgets that he's won. I forget that he's won.

Teej:

Yeah. If if the AWS heroes were the Avengers, which one would Adam be?

Dax:

Not even Hawkeye? Like, probably like probably the Like

Teej:

Ant Man or something useless?

Dax:

No. Probably the new generation of them.

Teej:

New generation. Oh god.

Dax:

Nobody knows who they are.

Teej:

Superhero number 37. They're just unnamed, practically. New generation, that's brutal.

Dax:

We had this guy, I think he lived somewhere in Texas. So he had a pretty big property and he had like crazy amount of chickens, like 40 or 50. Some of them were for eggs, know. It was a pretty big situation. Mhmm.

Dax:

And he'd always post videos with these chickens of them like sitting on him and everything. It was this fun little thing. And one day, it was either foxes or wolves or something, I can't remember. They killed all of them except for two.

Teej:

Dang. That's crazy.

Dax:

Which is we're really Imagine going out and there's like 40 dead chickens in your backyard.

Teej:

Wow.

Dax:

Yeah. Really crazy. I think I think wolves it must have been maybe it was wolves or coyotes because I think I know I think wolves are the only ones that like just kill for fun where they just kill a bunch

Teej:

of Yeah.

Dax:

Animals and they just leave.

Teej:

That seems much more like a cat like behavior though than than a dog like behavior.

Dax:

That's true.

Teej:

So I don't know. But I guess it could be wolves. Yeah. Yeah. That is that is wild though.

Teej:

That would be devastating, dude.

Dax:

The kids would have to see all that stuff. Oh, know.

Teej:

Imagine you're like, alright, kiddos, go let out you know, like, go open up the cages. Out back. You know, just be like, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm not getting up and doing that. Like, you guys can go go get them started for the day and they walk out and like, dad?

Teej:

There's like fifty fifty chance though my son, he's just like me. He would just go out there and like do it and then come back inside and like not notice.

Dax:

Yeah. The same way.

Teej:

He's just so locked in. I'm like, well, I'll do my task. Like, it's totally fine. Like and he just comes back in. He's like, none of them came out.

Teej:

Was fine. Like, none of them came out to eat? Then none of them came out to eat. And like, I don't know. Can I play Legos now?

Teej:

Like

Dax:

That's so relatable.

Teej:

Dude, he just got on he just got on doing some Lego stuff by himself and it's crazy. So, he's like four and a half and I've never seen him sit down for an extended period of time in my entire life. Like, even like a movie is pushing it. Like, we usually don't even watch a movie in one go. He just likes to get up and run around.

Teej:

Or when we finish a movie and it's like if we watched the whole one, he gets up and he just goes back upstairs, starts running around in circles. Like, he literally like like, I'm not joking. We can hear him upstairs. We hear the of like his steps all around the upstairs. And he's just, running around.

Teej:

He's, like, that was way too long of sitting. But this past Saturday, he got a bunch of Legos, like, throughout the past year and he was finally, like, I wanna just I wanna do my Legos. Like, okay. That sounds good, dude. So he, starts before breakfast, then we eat breakfast, then he goes back to his Legos, then he, like, skips lunch practically because he was, like, so locked in.

Teej:

He just did them the whole day. And I was,

Dax:

like Wow.

Teej:

Dude. And then I was thinking, he's just like me. I can't wait to get him into programming. Except I have to trick him that it's cool and not lame than something that your dad does.

Dax:

Yeah. Like, in hindsight so I remember when I was a kid, at some point, maybe I was, like, eight or nine Yeah. I would I got super into assembling furniture because in my head it was just like a big Lego thing. I remember like, literally for years, whatever my parents got, think I'd be the one to assemble it. And now in hindsight, I'm like, man, my parents are so lucky.

Dax:

I hate doing this. Would kill to have a kid that's like demanding to That's do

Teej:

so funny and they were probably like, oh, no. Little dads, don't need to

Dax:

do it. Yeah. You know, like,

Teej:

oh, mom and dad love to assemble the furniture. You should let us do it. No, I got it, dad.

Dax:

Yeah. I know. Yeah. I remember feeling like so lucky that I got to do it, man. So stupid.

Teej:

That's like I'm I'm hoping there's like some outdoor chores that they feel that way about like, pulling weeds. Oh, who can get the most weeds? You know, like

Dax:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do they do they have chores yet or

Teej:

They do like some simple ones. Yeah. I mean, like my oldest is four. Right? So it's like most of the, like, main chores you wanna do, we just have to do again.

Teej:

Right. After he's done.

Dax:

Yeah. It's it's more for training them to then actually getting anything done. It's a good junior developer.

Teej:

So he has like a bunch of like tasks that he's supposed to do and he does like school stuff and things like that. But like in terms and like there I guess they're they are like chores. Like he has to do stuff with making his bed and how he does that and putting away his toys and everything. But like And like he helps sometimes with like laundry and stuff like that in terms of folding it. But mostly it's it's like, what what am I gonna do?

Teej:

Have you like wipe something down so we can wipe it down again but now there's also crumbs on the floor? Like, So, it's also I also see a lot of myself in him and I'm like, we can ask him to do that. But I have a strong feeling it's it's not gonna go anywhere.

Dax:

That's funny.

Teej:

Yeah. But they they like to help with a lot of stuff or like do sometimes they like chop up veggies and stuff like that in

Dax:

the

Teej:

kitchen or things like that. You get like the little kids like the kids version of the knives that are like, they're sharp enough to cut like a bean but not really gonna cut your finger off, you know, like a green bean. So, yeah. So it's a it's a mix. We'll see probably like once he turns five and we're gonna start doing we've been been doing like some homeschooling stuff with him, but we'll probably go like a little bit, you know, like in more advanced each year for it.

Teej:

Mean, I guess that's kind of the idea for doing school. It's cool. Yeah. But he'll probably he'll he'll gain a few new responsibilities as he as he goes older. Right now though, it's like when I mow the lawn, they wanna come and push their bubble lawn mower with me.

Teej:

So I'm like, okay. I mean, that counts. You know what I mean? Like Yeah. I'm not gonna let you push the real lawn mower.

Teej:

You can chop your foot off. You know what I mean? Like So they they just do their bubble mower with me outside or something like that, which is hilarious.

Dax:

Can you can you read yet?

Teej:

He he can read some not like He's not gonna sit down and read like a whole book, but he can sound out quite a few words right now. Yeah. He's like iterating on that for sure. Probably like by when he turns five, like, he'll be doing pretty good. Yeah.

Dax:

Yeah. That's the reason I ask is, like, I'm into the idea of homeschooling, but then I had this like kind of irrational fear that like, what if I'm what if I do such a bad job of setting them up that they literally can't read? So I'm like

Teej:

That one will be pretty obvious. Like, that one is really easy to judge like I don't remember.

Dax:

Prime got all the way to however old That's true. He

Teej:

That's true. But, you know, he at least you know, give him a little bit of time. He can sound it out. Okay? Like, he'll get there.

Teej:

That one, I feel like that one's really it'll be super obvious to you if you it's like if it's going, like, well or not in a lot of those directions. It's also, like I mean, they don't really expect kids going into kindergarten to be reading already. So, like, if he's reading, you know, you're like, it's it's it's fine. I I also I always tell Kayleen, like, you don't have to be the world's best teacher for this. Like, just think of what the like average

Dax:

Yeah.

Teej:

Teacher is know

Dax:

that all the time. Yeah.

Teej:

Yeah. You know what I mean? No offense. But like, I think you're crushing it. Like

Dax:

Yeah. It's funny because I think about like nowadays where I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go learn a new programming language. Something that I like is really foreign Yeah. I've never learned before. Like within a year, I'm probably gonna be pretty good at it.

Dax:

And I'm like I like I'm like used to things at most taking a year to learn. And then I think about how it took me twelve years to learn math. And I get that my brain had to literally grow but I'm like, does it really have to take that many years? Like, I learned so little like compared to how fast other things

Teej:

Well, the thing that's crazy too, like, about just like the general structure of it is like, obviously, some kids learn math faster than other kids. Doesn't mean anything like besides that they learn math faster. Like, it's literally unrelated to pretty much anything else. But it's the it's crazy because the system is set up that it's like, they can only be effectively like some offset from each other. Like, oh, you're one grade ahead.

Teej:

Like, this is what happened to me. Right? I was basically, you know, like, started was and then like started sixth grade and I was like in doing seventh or eighth grade. Right? By the time I'm like in ninth grade, I was doing some other ones.

Teej:

And then like, before I graduated, I was doing some classes at like community college for it. Right? Yeah. But but that was still like I was still just some offset from my peers. That's crazy.

Teej:

Clearly, I learned math at a faster rate. It should be going like this. Right? Like, any anytime you have a rate difference between people for something.

Dax:

Yeah. It adds up over the years. Yeah.

Teej:

Right. And you're like, the whole thing so, yeah. So that's the thing that I'm like most probably like most excited for with them is finding out what their things are that they like really like learning that they're like fast at doing. Right? And it's not like, oh, well, now you're just in geometry instead of algebra one and so you're one year ahead.

Teej:

I mean, that's good. Like, I think it's better all things Yeah. Equal to have, like, some classes where you can go advance. Apparently, controversial take these days. But but, yeah, it is kinda crazy because you're like, surely, like, I could have been done with my math major by the time I graduated high school.

Teej:

Like, because I got one anyways when I was at Calvin, like, for fun. Like, I just got one as like a side thing because I was Nice. I enjoyed math and I was like far. But like, I could have been done. I was art I was not Most of time I spent like waiting around in class.

Teej:

You know what I'm saying? Like

Dax:

Yeah. It's it's crazy how much waiting and just doing nothing there was. I think the school I went to, it still roughly followed what you're describing but I think they were pretty good about it because when I was in ninth grade, I had a classmate that was already taking math classes at Princeton at that Oh, nice. Yeah. Mhmm.

Dax:

And he basically by the time we graduated, he finished he basically just needed to get he ended up going to MIT and he finished his math degree like, in his first semester Yeah, yeah, at MIT and then did like a a second thing. So he I mean, he was one of those, like, freak of nature Yeah, yeah, type of people. Like, he won some national math contest and

Teej:

Dang.

Dax:

Got a got like a medal from George Bush, Yeah.

Teej:

Which is kind

Dax:

of funny because you don't

Teej:

to be clear.

Dax:

George Bush and Matt together, but Yeah. Yeah. That's your reward if you're really good at math, like George Bush, you have to meet George George

Teej:

Bush gives you one, you're like, okay.

Dax:

Like, do you know what I did?

Teej:

Fool me once. Oh,

Dax:

man. That quote is so good though. Don't you miss that? Yeah. Like that era where like every couple weeks we're just getting a banger like that.

Teej:

I mean, Trump's got some good ones. My favorite one recently from him, don't I know if you saw this one, but it's so funny, is he's in he's in like the palace or whatever of like one of the either like the Saudis or Qatar or something like that, I don't remember. And they're taking pictures right there inside this huge palace. It's insane. Right?

Teej:

And then, you hear like the I don't even know I mean, Trump probably knows the cameras are on everything and the mics can still hear them, but all the camera crews are far away. Everything's walking away with them. He just goes, nice house. That's so funny. That's an all time banger, dude.

Teej:

That was so funny. Like, that's insane.

Dax:

I I think the one that sticks out in my head the most is the from the standpoint of water one.

Teej:

I don't even know if I know that one. I could have to look that up from standpoint of water.

Dax:

I can't remember the exact Yeah. Exact quote, but it's like during one of those Puerto Rican hurricane

Teej:

Yeah.

Dax:

Things, he's like, this is one of the wettest hurricanes from the standpoint of water.

Teej:

From the standpoint of water?

Dax:

Like, how does his brain work this way?

Teej:

That's so funny. Like that's like you know, dude. He like, when he says something like you're like, oh, he's just riffing. That's insane. Like, if

Dax:

Like, he thought of that like five hundred milliseconds before he said it.

Teej:

Like, if I'm president dude, I'm I'm thinking I don't know. Do I really feel like I should be riffing all the time? I feel like I gotta be like a little bit more like, I'm gonna try and make sure I've got my message across. I've only got five minutes of airtime. But it's like, that's so funny.

Teej:

He's like, oh, he's just riffing on the idea completely is insane. He's like Yeah. Hurricanes. That's all he's got. All he's got.

Teej:

Right? He's got a big hurricanes

Dax:

water. There's a of water.

Teej:

Card they hold it up and it just says it just says hurricanes, big. And he goes, okay, I got it. Give me five, boys. Yeah.

Dax:

I am I was saying this the other day, I'm like jealous of people that have such a distinct way of talking that people can like it's so distinct that people can do impressions like the Yeah. I was thinking about this because of the all the Uncle Bob I'm videos he's been just like, how do you develop this? This is so crazy Yeah. To be this like specific.

Teej:

That's true. And the bathrobe, it's been he's been really keeping it up. I've been impressed.

Dax:

I I haven't seen them for a week, but I think they just haven't come across my feed. I think

Teej:

he's been doing them just, like, on Mondays. It seems like because it seems like I've been I've been getting them only, like, once a week or something like that. So I usually just like them and then don't watch. But I like I want I want this to show back up in my feed again, dude. I love I just love I just love

Dax:

the doing it.

Teej:

I want I love the thumbnail and morning bathrobe brand types. And I'm like, yes. I don't know what he's saying, but I'm I'm glad it's in the world, you know.

Dax:

I just wonder if he sounds like that in his normal day to day or if he's like if it's

Teej:

He's playing it up. He's playing it up in that. Because like we've talked to him. We did a long form

Dax:

That's true.

Teej:

Yeah. Or two like maybe two long form interviews with him. I mean, he has like it's definitely still him like in the in the bathrobe rant. But he's definitely like playing it up like a little bit for that. Like, when he talks, he still has that like same kind of humor, it seems to me.

Teej:

I mean, I've I've only talked to him for like two or three hours, you know what I mean? Like But he still has like that same kind of like joke and like when he's like impersonating like, you know, the opposition of something right or whatever, he's still like gonna do those same sort of tropes. But yeah, think it's a little played up for the bathroom. I like I he knows. Like, knows what he's doing.

Teej:

Like, it's funny, you know?

Dax:

Me and Liz were rewatching the second Avengers movie, the one with Ultron. I don't if you've seen it but

Teej:

Age of Ultron? That

Dax:

one? Yeah.

Teej:

Yeah. It's been a while, yeah. I thought you were gonna say Pirates of the Caribbean but that's fine too.

Dax:

I will Yeah. So we're going through that now.

Teej:

Yeah. Tell them why though, Dax. Tell them why.

Dax:

Okay. Well, me and Liz have been rewatching Pirates of the Caribbean because TJ has called me Dax Barrow several times.

Teej:

Captain Dax Barrow.

Dax:

And I was like, you know, I haven't seen those movies in a really long time. We should we should rewatch them.

Teej:

They're pretty good though. I Right? Mean, I feel like they're they it kinda is like one of those things where like you look you look back and you thought, oh, they're probably cheesy or lame or whatever. But it's like, no, they're just at pirate movies. Like, it's good.

Dax:

Yeah. Well, also the some of the technical stuff is actually pretty insane because we're watching the Davy Jones one now.

Teej:

Oh, yeah. Mhmm.

Dax:

And he looks great. Like, the CGI looks The acting and like the little mannerisms and ticks. I'm like, I can't believe this is like fifteen years now.

Teej:

You wanna know why? It's because they had physical things that they used for the props. Yeah. And because they didn't let stupid executives make all the decisions along the way and they had a vision for the movie. Like Cars.

Dax:

No, I just I mean, the the Pirates, that's a whole category of movies I feel like they don't make anymore. These like kind of adventure slash there's like some kind of magic to it too. Like like like the do you remember The Mummy movies?

Teej:

Yeah. Mhmm.

Dax:

Yeah. So, I feel like that category in movie, like, I don't I don't think they do anymore really.

Teej:

I feel like superhero movies kinda like took the slot.

Dax:

That's true. They kind

Teej:

But of took now superheroes are kinda out, so maybe we're due for a Pirates resurgence, you know what I mean? Like

Dax:

Yeah.

Teej:

But they'll probably just make remake of the Pirates of the Caribbean three blah blah blah blah blah.

Dax:

Well, did you know there's like six of these movies? I've only ever seen three of them. There's so many more than I thought.

Teej:

There wait, there's six? I knew there was three.

Dax:

No. There's more than three. I think it's either five or six. There's so they already they they already milked it.

Teej:

You gotta know when it's time to stop, guys. That's the other thing. That's part of the reason that the franchise, I feel like it's not looked upon with the way that it should be, is you gotta cut you gotta you gotta be Barry Sanders, You know? Mhmm. Barry Sanders, great Detroit Lions running back, probably one of the all time greats, played for ten years, saw that the Lions were never gonna win a Super Bowl, and so he said, I'm out.

Teej:

And he retired. And everyone thinks, he's an awesome amazing running back. Yes. Everyone needs to learn how to do that with TV shows and movies because otherwise you get made fun of. You become Brett Favre.

Teej:

Right? And it's like, Brett Favre used to be good and now they're like, he's the Levi's guy. He makes jeans commercials. Right?

Dax:

This happened to LeBron too.

Teej:

Yeah, it is. It is. He should have retired too.

Dax:

Liz was bringing this up where she's like because with the whole Kanye thing, she was like, oh, I think

Teej:

He's done with anti Semitism. He said I

Dax:

did I did see that. But like, do remember that clip where he's like, I'm not gonna say what kind of doctor.

Teej:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah.

Dax:

Yeah. And he says it like five I'm pretty sure it's gonna go like that. Yeah. It's gonna

Teej:

come out again tomorrow.

Dax:

Yeah. But she's like, this is why maybe this is why celebrity should die young because

Teej:

Dang, Liz.

Dax:

Kanye had died five or ten years ago, you know All his time, legacy would have been amazing. But now, you know, we gotta witness this.

Teej:

Right after he made my favorite albums of his, Jesus is King. Of course, like Yeah.

Dax:

Mean, that would have been good timing, think. That was, like, right before he got too crazy.

Teej:

Yeah. Yeah. Then he went hung out with Joel Osteen too much. I won't make I won't I won't get too controversial here, but yeah. No.

Dax:

Is that literally true?

Teej:

From an outsider looking in, it felt like

Dax:

Was he like involved with that whole

Teej:

he he was on stage with him once or twice at least, like at his church and everything. It literally felt like Conner was like, alright, I'm trying out Christianity. So, he Googles like most popular Christians. Right? And it's like, top hit, Joel Osteen.

Teej:

And you're like, I'm the most popular. He's the most popular. We should probably like, collab. You know? And he's like, this guy represents everything that's good and right about Christianity.

Teej:

Anyway,

Dax:

Yeah. So That's funny.

Teej:

That was that part was that was a little devastating for those of us who are rooting for his his Christian arc. Saw him on stage with Osteen and he was like, that's the wrong crowd. That's the kind of Copeland bunch and all these guys who are like, yeah, of course, have a private jet. How else am I supposed to fly around

Dax:

That guy, I show people that clip of him being interviewed all the time because like

Teej:

He's he's crazy, dude.

Dax:

His face just looks so evil. And the way he talks, like, I cannot believe it.

Teej:

Like, he literally looks demonic. It's, like, actually insane. You're, like, this is so crazy that people send him money. Like,

Dax:

a It's, lot of like, so obvious. Like, you look at his face

Teej:

buying coffee over SSH instead. Like, at least do something good with your money, guys. Yeah.

Dax:

Yeah. That clip where he's like saying, oh, Tyler Tyler is a great guy. He made it so cheap. He made this jet so cheap for me that I had to buy it. Yeah.

Dax:

Yeah. Yes. But yeah but yeah, I think going out on top is I think it's I get it. It's hard because Yeah. By definition on top is when you feel

Teej:

There's like still lot of area under the curve on the way down, you know, that you can still collect. Right? So that's part of the the difficulty. Even if you see that you're all the way at the top, right? Like, the downslope is not directly down to zero.

Teej:

Right? You still have a lot of area

Dax:

It's still pretty good.

Teej:

Yeah. Yeah. To to collect. Like, you still have at least a few, like, a few thousand Cameo appearances you can make or something like that. I

Dax:

always go to Cameo thinking like, oh, this is gonna be such a cool thing. I'm gonna think of something funny to do with it. And it's never it's obviously never anyone cool because

Teej:

Right.

Dax:

Like, $200 for They're

Teej:

on premium Cameo, which is like a talent agency that says someone wants $500,000 for you to go

Dax:

I do this can't afford that one.

Teej:

So Right. Yes. Exactly. But that's what I'm saying. All all those guys are all they're all on they have their talent agent that like manages that for them.

Teej:

They don't need Cameo to get them random one off like funny things. But maybe new Airbnb experience experiences, Dax. You can go hang out with Sabrina Carpenter. So, you know.

Dax:

What is up with Prime always bringing up Sabrina Carpenter?

Teej:

I think it was literally because he was like, she's really popular and I bet there are some songs that she doesn't have a lot of views on. So, I wanna beat some of those with our music video. It's like literally

Dax:

But there was that, but then I see him bringing her up just in other con to to me, it sounds like she's like the one celebrity he knows, so he just like

Teej:

Oh, yeah. Well, that's that's probably true as well. It's probably because she has the song Espresso and so he's like, he's trying to do subliminal messaging to trick people into thinking about coffee. Right? So he's he's three steps ahead of us right here.

Teej:

He's four d chessing I

Dax:

see. He's actually doing something really smart.

Teej:

Yes. For once. Exactly.

Dax:

Yeah. Expect that. No.

Teej:

I think your I think your hypothesis of he's like, I don't know any pop singer names. Like like, if you asked him, probably name three relevant pop singers. I think he would be like Sabrina Carpenter. Like that. Like, that would be this is probably what would happen.

Teej:

I do think you're probably right about that one. I think you're probably right. There's a good chance it's much more about he doesn't he doesn't have the vocabulary to express other It's

Dax:

funny because I feel like teenagers like her or she's like big with much younger people, so it's weird to hear him constantly talk about it.

Teej:

It's probably his kids like the songs.

Dax:

Oh, okay. That's how he's

Teej:

heard of them. Yeah. That are like, you know, nearly teens. That's So they probably know the songs are like, it's playing on Fortnite or something while he's playing with the kids or something. Right?

Teej:

So

Dax:

It's just that I never hear him talk about music

Teej:

It's like exclusively a programming tool.

Dax:

Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

Teej:

I'll find out. I'll find out. I'm gonna hang out with him next week and then we'll I'll I'll sneak into his like Spotify and then I'll figure out what he's been listening to all

Dax:

the It's gonna be awesome. We're gonna Carpenter. Well, we're just completely wrong on this. He's actually a TimeHerz fan.

Teej:

It's gonna be nothing. It's gonna be like a five forty hertz like tones.

Dax:

Brown noise.

Teej:

I guarantee you Adam's using those though.

Dax:

I was just thinking that. I was just

Teej:

thinking No way. Adam's probably like ten hour a a four forty Hertz like brown noise. Oh, it's gonna be a good day, boys.

Dax:

Yeah. It's a banger.

Teej:

That's a banger. Who's your favorite who's your a four forty Hertz favorite artist? Like for me personally, I'm a big big fan of mister Brown, but what do you like? Oh, really? Brown vintage.

Teej:

Got it. Nice. It's like I like this.

Dax:

Okay. You you you're saying this like it's like, you're making this joke, but I'm I'm realizing that this is the exact conversation I heard him and Bean adding.

Teej:

Yeah. In

Dax:

Dallas. Well, also talking like this.

Teej:

What headphones do you use to listen to your brown noise? He's like, oh, really? Really? He's like judging each other based on their headphones usage for oh, a Bose? Yeah.

Teej:

Tell me you don't know anything about music without telling me anything it.

Dax:

Oh, man. That's the worst thing because I think the Bose thing is funny because I think that I like the way they sound. Yeah. And I like Bose speakers, but I know that it's like people just start judging you immediately audio

Teej:

files that but it feels like one of those things where you know it's like the best normie option. So that's what all of the like really professional people hate. Right? Know what I'm Yeah. Right?

Teej:

So they're like, oh, that's just Normie. That I remember when I used to like Bose. That was before I really undercover understood the underground audio scene. Mine are handcrafted by Bon Jovi himself, you know, or something like this. Or whoever the guy is from Apple, you know.

Teej:

So, I know his name's not Bon Jovi, but I keep repeating that joke every time. I I was really hoping I was gonna trigger David with that, but

Dax:

Yeah. The I'm like this one's pretty hits home for me particularly because I have these three speakers and they're they're very good. They're really Yeah. They're like audio Yeah. Yeah.

Dax:

You've seen them. Yeah. But like, I go home to my parents house and they have these Bose speakers surround sound that wall that they had for 20 Yep. And they sound better. They just sound better than whatever I have.

Dax:

Yeah. Even maybe I like don't have all the extra $10,000 of equipment I need to make this thing sound good.

Teej:

Yeah.

Dax:

But I'm just like, should've just gone with

Teej:

the different options. How it's not fair. Every time Adam brings his camera to somewhere and he turns it on, even if it's the same iPhone, it's like Adam uses the iPhone camera, I look really good. I use the iPhone camera, I look washed out. That doesn't make sense.

Teej:

There's not even settings. There's not even setting. I can't even know, what's what's up with that?

Dax:

It's just just a light that he emits from his body that Yeah.

Teej:

That's true.

Dax:

He's He's glowing. Yeah.

Teej:

No. That's funny.

Dax:

Okay. My my mom's visiting. We gotta go pick her up from the airport. So, I should probably Okay.

Teej:

I gotta get ready to talk to DHH.

Dax:

Oh, yes. Have fun I with

Teej:

will. Alright. Bye, Dax. Bye bye tomorrow, fans.

Dax:

Thanks for coming on.

Teej:

See you later. Hey, comment that you like me more than Adam. Thanks. Bye.

Dax:

That's probably gonna happen.

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Adam Elmore
Host
Adam Elmore
AWS DevTools Hero and co-founder @statmuse. Husband. Father. Brother. Sister?? Pet?!?
Dax Raad
Host
Dax Raad
building @SST_dev and @withbumi
teej dv 🔭
Guest
teej dv 🔭
open source code | @neovim core dev | tools for devs @sourcegraphdad jokes/memes my own
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