Speaker 1: 00:00

Can you hear me okay? I'm getting some like stuttery I don't know if it's my internet I was trying to find.

Speaker 2: 00:05

It might be your inner voice.

Speaker 1: 00:06

My inner voice that's causing you to sound stuttery, like I have low bandwidth? Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. You looked very deep in thought.

Speaker 2: 00:39

Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1: 00:40

You were eating your necklace, it was the whole thing.

Speaker 2: 00:46

I like vaguely like I don't know I don't know what speaker you're coming out

Speaker 1: 00:50

of It was kinda like, deer man. Like on your shoulder, Dex. Yeah. It's the ghost of Adam haunting you. This is not an episode I thought we would record.

Speaker 1: 00:59

And I mean, like, not what we're gonna talk about. I don't even know what we're gonna talk about. I just mean it's not an episode like today. I kind of thought I was gonna need another week and things fell into place at the last minute. So here we are.

Speaker 1: 01:13

What does that mean? I love that you don't really know what's going on. I

Speaker 2: 01:17

don't know. And nobody knows what's going on. It's funny because there were a few posts today about this podcast and someone was like.

Speaker 1: 01:25

Oh, really?

Speaker 2: 01:26

Someone was like, it's so annoying when they skip a week. And I was

Speaker 1: 01:29

like, we're we're about to skip another week. They skip a few weeks. Who knows how many weeks? Actually, you know what? This has been like the toughest week of my life.

Speaker 1: 01:38

That's pretty easy to say even. Not even like close. And I'm actually really proud of me for not like melting down publicly. I didn't have any like serious thought. Did I?

Speaker 1: 01:48

Did I tweet anything that was just like irreparable damage to my reputation or something? I don't think so. I think I managed. Oh, did I? Am I forgetting?

Speaker 1: 01:58

I would forget something like that.

Speaker 2: 01:59

No. I don't think you but it's like the reason I'm saying, is like, that was an expectation that

Speaker 1: 02:06

I don't know. I I wouldn't even Okay. Think of that

Speaker 2: 02:08

possibility, really.

Speaker 1: 02:09

Yeah. I guess I know people. People that are close to me that have had issues in life, mental health or otherwise, that have done a lot of things publicly. And I don't know. You can you know, when things are really bad and you're struggling That's true.

Speaker 1: 02:28

It's easy enough to, find solace in the anonymous Internet. Not the anonymous Internet, but to just, like, say what's on your mind and then, I don't know, everyone views you a little differently because you're struggling. There's a lot of stigma about mental health in America. Let's talk about that. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1: 02:43

That's not what I'm here to talk about. Think so okay. Where do I wanna begin? I I really do struggle here because I don't know, like, if it were just me and you talking and this wasn't gonna be a podcast, obviously, the conversation would be different. Normally, I like to just have the conversation as naturally as possible where I don't think about what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 03:04

I'm probably gonna think a little bit about what I say on this episode. Yeah. Okay. So I've had a tough couple of weeks, week, I don't know. Also, yeah, I just I don't wanna make this whole episode about this.

Speaker 1: 03:14

This just feels weird. It's weird there's so many things that are weird. It's weird in this you're just dying over there.

Speaker 2: 03:22

Okay. Like, don't worry about the meta stuff. Let's just Okay.

Speaker 1: 03:26

We'll just

Speaker 2: 03:26

start talking. I I will, to balance it, I also had something embarrassing and very annoying happened to me Oh. At the beginning of this

Speaker 1: 03:37

week. Okay.

Speaker 2: 03:37

So I will share that afterwards.

Speaker 1: 03:38

Would you say it's been the toughest week of your life or maybe not? It

Speaker 2: 03:44

was definitely a very tough hours that led to difficult sleep and then I woke up and then everything was resolved by then. But

Speaker 1: 03:54

Okay. So It's

Speaker 2: 03:55

just it's just for me particularly, it's embarrassing. Oh, I'm

Speaker 1: 03:59

so excited. Okay. We'll we'll do my thing first and then we'll come that'll be the comedic relief. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 04:06

Okay. I'm not gonna beat around it. Just like I'm gonna get into some stuff. It's this is our podcast. I like, we can talk about whatever we want and it'd be weird for me.

Speaker 1: 04:13

Like, as you'll hear, one thing I'm really focused on moving forward is being okay with being myself and just being Mhmm. Like, having a life where I'm the same to everybody and I'm not, like, pretending ever to be something. So we we basically just have to cancel the podcast if I didn't talk about this stuff because there's no way I'd be able to get on here and not just be fake and pretend I don't know. All this stuff isn't going on. So this had to happen.

Speaker 1: 04:41

I'm sorry. If you're a listener and you're just like, I don't wanna hear about Next. Js because I'm a big Vercel fanboy. I'm sorry because this is gonna be a little different. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 04:50

So Casey and I, my wife Casey of fifteen years, have been on the precipice of ending our relationship for a week. So we were separated. This is very it's gonna get very confusing. It's like the friends, Roz and Rachel stuff. We were on a break Right.

Speaker 1: 05:09

And then we were separated, and then we were maybe closer than ever. And then yesterday was very close to looking like it was over over over, divorce over. And then today, once again, the best it's men. I I can feel you right now just like, you're so in the dark because we didn't we haven't talked since yesterday. And yesterday was the Yeah.

Speaker 2: 05:35

We we haven't we haven't talked since eight hours ago.

Speaker 1: 05:38

I know. And eight hours ago was the worst think

Speaker 2: 05:40

it's different.

Speaker 1: 05:41

Was the worst it's been. Oh, man. Okay. Maybe we don't wanna spend that long on this. Maybe I can just kinda give you the rundown and then, like, if there's something good that comes out of it and we can hit on it, but at least I've acknowledged it.

Speaker 1: 05:53

Yeah. Basically, I just I hid from my wife. I just haven't been myself in some ways. And like things that I was holding on to since like college yeah. I mean, I've okay.

Speaker 1: 06:02

I played a video game in college that I failed out of college over and then hid that game from her subsequently a few times in our marriage. This last time, it's just whenever I get really stressed. Basically, when there's like a lot of stress in my life, I fall back to this thing and it's not a thing I felt I could share with her. And it was just rough. It I hurt her a lot.

Speaker 1: 06:28

In the process, we've learned a lot about each other. I think in some ways, we've grown closer through all of it. And, yeah, I'm really optimistic now. So I was really optimistic a week ago, and then we almost got divorced yesterday. But I'm really optimistic now, so I think things are better.

Speaker 1: 06:44

We wanna work through it. We wanna work we wanna do the work. We've got therapists. We've got all the things, the resources we need to figure out why we had these barriers between us, and I I think we're gonna make it. We wanna work through it, and we wanna be together while we work through it.

Speaker 1: 07:01

So we're not even really separated now. That's the progress. We're back together, and I think we're on the right track. Okay. That's all.

Speaker 1: 07:10

Anyway, how you been? It's so fast. It

Speaker 2: 07:15

just like, I I I was prepared for this to be, like, a really long thing that we talked about, and halfway through you're like, you know what? We can just make this this really quick.

Speaker 1: 07:24

Yeah. Because I I think I realized like the value is in like acknowledging it and not just like pretending for the rest of the podcast that

Speaker 2: 07:31

Yeah. Yeah. You know? No.

Speaker 1: 07:32

Know. So that's like, why I don't need to go through the whole story. You guys don't need to hear about when I was 16 and like, we don't have to go back to the beginning. It's fine. Like, acknowledge I mean,

Speaker 2: 07:43

you don't have to talk about that, but I will say people love hearing that shit. So Oh, really?

Speaker 1: 07:47

Like, you mean like struggles, things that define you? Or what what shit is it that you speak of? It's always so weird when I say a curse word because it just it comes out of my mouth so unnaturally. What shit is it you speak of, Jax? What's shitteth?

Speaker 1: 08:04

Shitteth.

Speaker 2: 08:07

Well, I'm saying I think oftentimes you feel like I'm talking about me a lot and this is like so unrelatable because this is something like so specific to me. But like, let's be honest, there's a reason that the most watched TV is in the reality TV category. Good point. So people in their core love hearing about stuff Yeah. That is personal in people's lives.

Speaker 2: 08:30

You don't have to talk about any of it. Like, I think if I were you, even how much you just talked about, I think I would struggle to. I do think it's a right call. I think what you said makes sense. Because like, yeah, it would be weird to get on here and pretend like everything's normal.

Speaker 2: 08:44

Yeah. This has kind of been something we've been talking about for the past week.

Speaker 1: 08:47

Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 08:49

But yeah, my only thing is, I mean, I said this to you over and over. I feel like and I you've heard this from me enough times, I'm just saying this for our audience. You are someone that really looks to blame yourself a lot even in really small cases. And I think in when there's complicated situations where it's something you did but it's very complicated because it's this is all reflexive thing where like Mhmm. It was because of something else and that was because of something else.

Speaker 2: 09:24

I think you your natural tendency tends to be to like solely reduce it to like the one action that you did when it's

Speaker 1: 09:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 09:32

A lot more complex. So anyway, there's a way you describe the situation, I hear people listening, it sounds like the equivalent of everything was great and I cheated on my wife, you know. It's like it's it's like not it's Yeah.

Speaker 1: 09:45

No. There it's been a it's

Speaker 2: 09:47

It's a very complicated situation like people can imagine. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 09:51

Yeah. And I think some of the things you've said to me and then I had coffee with my brother this morning. I think all of the inputs I've gotten helped triangulate some thoughts and it's some of what you're speaking to like the big problem between me and Casey. It does feel weird to do this on a podcast, guess. Like, this is so I don't know.

Speaker 1: 10:10

This is like you're getting a real inside baseball. You're getting stuff that I mean, Casey, you're probably Casey's gonna listen to this, I'm sure. I hope I didn't misrepresent anything that we're talking about here, and and she's open to me talking about this on the podcast, by the

Speaker 2: 10:23

way. Okay.

Speaker 1: 10:24

I guess, like, one of the things that I feel like broke today in our conversation that kinda like broke in the right way, like, toward the right thing, is related to some of the feedback you've given me that just realizing how much of my last decade with Casey, since we've had kids and things got stressful, has been spent like, I've been twisting myself internally into this pretzel trying to just make her happy, but in like superficial ways, like ways that I think are just like the low hanging fruit ways to make her happy. Like, I've done so much to try and like just be it's the hero. I mean, it's I have this hero complex, the hero role or whatever hero child. I don't know if anyone digs into psychology or has had someone tell them they have this. Well, we have it together.

Speaker 1: 11:10

We are the hero children. Basically, just like have to put all things together and make it look really good and feel really good for everybody on the surface level. I've just I've had that, and it drives so many of my decisions with Casey And it to the point of being unhappy and not even really being self aware enough to know how unhappy I was. Some of that stuff, yeah. It's the blaming myself.

Speaker 1: 11:30

It's it's all of it. It's it's all very related. And yeah. I mean, wouldn't work. We both acknowledge this marriage doesn't make sense if we can't fix those things.

Speaker 1: 11:40

So it's still a long road of becoming these new people that we need to be to have a healthy relationship. We kind of both agree that just what we've had is no good. We don't want I mean, there there was good. No good is the wrong term because there literally was a lot of good. We got two amazing little boys.

Speaker 1: 11:58

There's lot plenty of good, but we want to start over. We want like to just forget everything, all of the trauma and the pain and the things that we've created. We gotta start on a new foundation. So anyway, that's that's me and my life and the crumbling walls around me. I just made that a song.

Speaker 1: 12:17

It's not even a song. I don't know. I was just I was uncomfortable. Okay. So I started singing.

Speaker 2: 12:23

You're about to start you're about to start like an email band. Yeah. Yeah. If that makes sense, you guys want to go for like a reset. Let's try creating something new.

Speaker 1: 12:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:32

Are you guys gonna try doing something really drastic just to get like some superficially drastic just to get out of, you know, certain habits and stuff? Have you considered that?

Speaker 1: 12:42

Like getting a dog or something? What do you mean like

Speaker 2: 12:44

I mean, kinda, yeah. Because it's like it's just like with any habit, it's if you're in like the same type of environment, even though the habit is not related to the environment, it's like easy to fall back into it. Yeah. It's kind of how how our brains work.

Speaker 1: 13:00

This is what we thought a week ago when this all went down. We thought, okay, we need to separate. We need to start new habits and like that separation will help us break out of the current cycle. We did some things. I mean, I've been sleeping in the basement among other things.

Speaker 1: 13:19

We changed up our schedule. We created like a a more strict schedule that gives us both the time that we just didn't have because we sort of like both I think we both just kind of like we're the martyr and like trying to sacrifice ourselves to just make sure the other one was getting what they need but like we're both unhappy and we both feel like we never have time on the schedule that's like our time. So we kind of like created that. We did some things. Anyway, we did some things And now, I I feel like we've we've decided the separation is it wasn't helping because it was already like, were falling back into the same patterns anyway.

Speaker 1: 13:53

So we're kind of like, f it. Let's just actually be together while we figure this out because I don't think what we did was helping. Now, a therapist might tell us, you need to do x y z and we'd be very open to that. I think we just both now after a week and how much up and down pain there's been, We just wanna figure out how we can do it, but also be together because we feel like we need we need something. We need that from each other, I guess.

Speaker 1: 14:22

I'm probably misrepresenting all this. I'm so sorry, Casey. That is probably terrible. I don't know. Just said the wrong thing.

Speaker 1: 14:27

One thing that's stuck in my head look, you're doing the thing. You're doing the thing you just said. I'm blaming myself. One

Speaker 2: 14:33

thing Let me just say one thing about that, the thing you just did. It's funny because it's this weird thing where so you were like concerned that you did the wrong thing and you accept the other person.

Speaker 1: 14:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:46

And it seems like that is a situation that's bad for you and good for the other person because you're like being really careful Mhmm. And the and the other person gets the benefit. But in reality, no one actually wants to be in that position where someone

Speaker 1: 15:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:01

Needs to like check-in with them Yeah. About everything, right? So I I think I've noticed with like with situations where it feels like the power dynamic is off, everyone imagines like the person getting the upside is actually really happy, but like they're actually like nobody's actually happy.

Speaker 1: 15:14

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's when I said like superficially making her happy. I know I'm not genuinely like creating real happiness, it's or joy or anything.

Speaker 1: 15:25

It's like just creating a a comfort for today. Like, let's just feel comfortable in this moment. So yeah, I I'm I recognize that's I gotta get rid of that. But the one thing I am do like, the thing I'm hanging on to in my mind just today, so not creating a bunch of different life habits to try and shake up the brain, But I'm just thinking, like, I'm very hung up or very, like, concentrated on the idea of, like, one day at a time. That's so cliche, but I literally need to, like, have a constant check-in with Casey right now to to just make sure we don't slip into patterns.

Speaker 1: 16:03

So one thing that's changed dramatically just today is I do feel like I can tell her everything. And I have started telling her everything that I felt like I had to hide before. Something has flipped for me that, like, I'm gonna be myself 100%. And if that means she doesn't want to be with me, then that's better than this life we've built over fifteen years where I'm I'm just gonna hide the things that I think she doesn't want and try and be the things she she does want. Like, that is gone.

Speaker 1: 16:33

I will not do that anymore. And I think that's the main place it shows up is with Casey, like, I don't want to do that with anybody. I don't want to feel like I'm pretending to be something with anybody. But yeah, it's like repulsive to me. Like the the the feeling of like hiding makes me kinda wanna vomit.

Speaker 1: 16:51

So like, at this point moving forward, if I'm someone who plays video games or not, if I played that specific video game or not, she's gonna know and everyone's gonna know and it's gonna be healthy and I'm not gonna be in in the shadows feeling like I can't just be myself with my own life. Anyway, that that much has changed. I know today something flipped.

Speaker 2: 17:12

Yeah. Know that makes a lot of sense and it it might be this weird counterintuitive thing where if it turns out that half the time you're doing stuff that she disagrees with, she might still like you a lot more overall because at least it's not this this weird thing. Right?

Speaker 1: 17:27

Yeah. It's gonna feel it's every interaction still feels hard to not think about what she how she perceives me because that's been ingrained over a long period of time. But yeah, I've gotta I've gotta get past that. I've gotta be able to make decisions without fear of how she views it if I think it's a good decision to make or it's a stupid decision and I make a mistake, but like, I can live with that knowing at least I was honest.

Speaker 2: 17:51

Yeah. Like like, you you can do it and then and then she has a right to like find it annoying and complain about it too. Like that that's that's all okay.

Speaker 1: 17:57

Yeah. Healthy dynamics.

Speaker 2: 17:58

Normal part of. Yep.

Speaker 1: 17:59

Yeah. Anyway Wow. Can you tell me your embarrassing thing? I need some I need some light.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Okay. Are you ready for this?

Speaker 1: 18:05

Yeah. Oh, man. I'm trying actually, I really wanna kinda like guess, but I'll never guess. So it's okay. Just go ahead.

Speaker 2: 18:11

On Tuesday, I deleted our primary database.

Speaker 1: 18:15

Woah. Dax, mister senior dev. Have you tweeted about this yet?

Speaker 2: 18:22

No. Because I'm I'm waiting to figure some I'll explain why. Okay. I I am gonna post about it but

Speaker 1: 18:27

You're still trying to figure out how you're gonna rectify the situation? No. No. So, okay.

Speaker 2: 18:34

This So on Tuesday night or it was Wednesday night, forgot wait, what day was the election? It was Tuesday yeah. Was Tuesday night. It's always on Tuesday. We're doing I

Speaker 1: 18:43

just learned that. I voted like a 100 times, sorry. I

Speaker 2: 18:50

was watching the election and I'm like, okay, it's midnight, I'm gonna do this big console deployment that we've been working on for a couple weeks.

Speaker 1: 18:56

Uh-huh.

Speaker 2: 18:58

And I did it all in dev and it went great. And I went to do it in production and I was like halfway through it. And then all of a sudden I was like, why is my SSE deployment error in saying 404 database not found? And then I go log in to PlanetScale and it's an empty account and I'm like, wow, that is really bad.

Speaker 1: 19:22

What happened?

Speaker 2: 19:24

So in the moment, I didn't real I didn't understand what happened. I was like, I must have messed up our infrastructure's code somehow and like removed the database and then done deploy. Yeah. And then so like deleted the database. So I I was like, I'm not gonna try to figure out what happened.

Speaker 2: 19:43

I'm just I need to just need to get this fixed. So I ended up texting Sam, who's a he's been on our podcast, the CEO of PlantScale. It was embarrassing because I'm like, you know, I do, like, freaking deleted my I deleted our database. Like, all of it is gone. And then and then he replies, okay, like, you asked me a few questions and he goes, you're so lucky that our CTO is at my house right now.

Speaker 2: 20:07

They happen to be, like, hanging out together. Wow. And the CTO found it

Speaker 1: 20:11

Look at this service.

Speaker 2: 20:12

That found the EBS volume that, you know, obviously when you delete something, they don't like immediately

Speaker 1: 20:17

Yeah. Everything.

Speaker 2: 20:19

I was worried that they probably have some process that runs at some point where it is Claims.

Speaker 1: 20:24

Not recoverable.

Speaker 2: 20:25

Yeah. Yeah. So he did he found the EBS volume and has marked it as, like, do not delete or whatever. Making sure he's made sure that it wouldn't get deleted while the support team like, the support team could eventually restore it.

Speaker 1: 20:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:38

So I was waiting on the support team and it was like at this point it was like 1AM my time. And I stayed up till like 02:30 waiting and then I was like, I I need sleep because I'm not it's like no point Yeah. And just me waiting. And I woke up and the database was back and it, like, it turned out, like, of course, ten minutes after I went to sleep, they, like, they did the restore. And then and I got everything back.

Speaker 2: 21:01

And at that point, I could, like, investigate what the issue was. And I still haven't fully gotten down to it, but this is actually was a bug either in I haven't found figured out where the source of the bug is. It's either in Pulumi or it's in the Terraform provider for PlanetScale. Eek. You know how you can import resources Yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:23

Into existing re so we this Planetscale database we had was before STV three, so it was manually created.

Speaker 1: 21:30

Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 21:31

So I wrote in my in my ST config to import it. There's just a really weird quirk that seems to just happen with the plan scale database because I've tested this with other resources. If it's flagged as being this is a important resource and you do a deploy multiple times for removing the line that makes it import, It was creating another entry for that import, so it importing the database multiple times. And then when the deploy would finish, it would clean up the old one. But it's like two entries for the same database so Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 22:03

It's like, oh,

Speaker 1: 22:04

I got the new one, let me delete

Speaker 2: 22:05

the old one. But old one's pointing to the same database as well. Oof. So the mistakes I made on my end are anything important you should flag as retain on delete.

Speaker 1: 22:17

Was gonna say is

Speaker 2: 22:18

So even if yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:19

There's that to kind of safeguard that. I guess that works with imports too, not just new resources.

Speaker 2: 22:24

Yeah. Yeah. So if I had set that flag, if I remember to set that flag because I was like, this is important. Like I never want it being deleted in an automated way. Like, you need to flag this as retain on delete.

Speaker 2: 22:33

I did not do that. Yeah. The second thing is the API key I generated for PlanetScale, I had initially generated a really granular one. And some point during the process, like while I was working on it, I lost the key so I had to regenerate it and I was being lazy the second time so I just made a key that could do everything. But there's no reason for this key to have the ability to delete databases Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 22:54

Because it's never needed. Yeah. So I I updated it data that now. So with those two changes, it's like impossible Yeah. For this thing to be deleted anyway.

Speaker 2: 23:04

So we actually made an update to so we actually have a list internally in SST of any resources that we think are popular that this can happen to. So we automatically mark the Metropane on delete. Mhmm. If we add the planet scale database to that and then those will just be an ever growing list of resources that we've just it's probably good even if the person forgets to treat as a chain on delete.

Speaker 1: 23:28

That's a better default, yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:30

And The better default, yeah, exactly. So I have to still look up to see why this happened because I've tried with other resources and you can import the same resources multiple times and it just overwrites the existing one. It doesn't like create a

Speaker 1: 23:41

new one

Speaker 2: 23:41

and try to remove the previous one. But yeah, it was it was bad.

Speaker 1: 23:47

Yeah. Something like this whenever something like this happens, there's always multiple things, like multiple failure points that had to go wrong. You know what I mean? Like Yeah. It's like so many little things.

Speaker 1: 23:56

I mean, you just call that two. The and then, I don't know, surely like the order you did things or whatever that deploys. It's always like just a perfect storm and it happens even to Dax. Even Dax deletes the prod DB.

Speaker 2: 24:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:11

Was this this was for like the SSC console?

Speaker 2: 24:13

Yeah. Yeah. So it's not it's like it's data that like is not recoverable anywhere else. Yeah. Here's another interesting dynamic that I don't think this is gonna change my opinion or make me actually do anything different, but it is something I considered where managed services are really good because somebody else will deal with problems.

Speaker 2: 24:33

But if this had happened on AWS where I have more direct access to stuff, it's like in my control to fix it immediately because like I

Speaker 1: 24:42

have You would have been the one flagging the EBS volume. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:45

And then, like, you know, AWS would have had the its snapshots on delete anyway.

Speaker 1: 24:50

So it would it would have been up to

Speaker 2: 24:51

me to restore it from from the snapshot.

Speaker 1: 24:53

Yep.

Speaker 2: 24:54

Whereas now I have to wait on a support team. That said, we're not paying for any higher tier. If we were probably paying for a higher tier, we probably would have gotten like more immediate support. We already got more support than we should from

Speaker 1: 25:06

plant scale? Yeah. I was gonna say Yeah. I think texting the CEO and the CTO being in his house, that's pretty good support. It's probably atypical.

Speaker 2: 25:14

Yeah, exactly. Like we we we we shouldn't have even gotten that given what what we're paying.

Speaker 1: 25:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:20

But like I I think we were looking to see what because we were kind of surprised. We're like, how come they even had someone up at 3AM to do this?

Speaker 1: 25:26

Yeah. No kidding.

Speaker 2: 25:27

But I guess it's because they're really enterprise the they're actual customers, the ones that, you know, pay them real money. Yeah. I think they literally have, like, five minute response SLAs or something like that. SLAs? I think I think Wow.

Speaker 2: 25:42

They have

Speaker 1: 25:42

So they've got a twenty four seven staff, I guess.

Speaker 2: 25:44

Yeah. And I think we got a little special treatment because I'm I'm thinking one of the staff that was they're, like, meant to serve those use cases Yeah. Ended up pursuing a database. Super appreciative, really stupid on our end. We'll try to pay it back by, like, really figuring out what the root cause was and and making sure that this doesn't happen Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:03

To other people.

Speaker 1: 26:04

Thanks, Sam. Let's give a little a little free promo, you know, if you're looking for a database service and you're tired of dealing with backups and all these things, choose PlanetScale.

Speaker 2: 26:15

And if you're not tired of that, if you just if just need the database at all Yeah. Like just consider PlanetScale as your first choice. And if it doesn't work for you, then you can consider other stuff. It's kind of my I go there first and if I can't use it for whatever reason, then I use something else. But it's it's not good, my opinion.

Speaker 1: 26:30

DAX is DAX is default. You just need to get the stamp already. We need a DAX stamp that you can just plaster on everybody's GitHub repos. This would be so easy. It's low hanging fruit, DAX.

Speaker 1: 26:41

It's like a low hanging idea. You just literally need a visual, like a stamp that people can like

Speaker 2: 26:46

AI generated stamp. It is it's the

Speaker 1: 26:48

hanging fruit. Better. Yeah. But it just needs to be something they can put a little link in their read me, and it's like, DAX approved. DAX approves.

Speaker 1: 26:56

I think it's got that's got legs. Just give it a shot.

Speaker 2: 27:00

People would get so pissed at that. They'd be

Speaker 1: 27:02

like, who

Speaker 2: 27:03

the fuck are you to have

Speaker 1: 27:05

Who this you think you are?

Speaker 2: 27:06

You put your stamp on this thing, and I hate this thing. I like that thing instead.

Speaker 1: 27:12

Yeah. That would be a lot of that. What else has been going on? I missed everything the last two weeks.

Speaker 2: 27:17

We posted that video

Speaker 1: 27:19

I saw the video.

Speaker 2: 27:20

Today.

Speaker 1: 27:20

Oh, you posted it because I saw it before it was posted. That's right, people.

Speaker 2: 27:23

Yeah. You got the

Speaker 1: 27:24

sneak inside scoop. All I had to do was lose everything in my life and hit rock bottom. And Dax was like, this will cheer you up. So if you could do that, if you could just lose everything, Dax might give you a little little preview of the video. Did you hear me?

Speaker 1: 27:38

You're looking at me funny, or is there a huge delay?

Speaker 2: 27:40

No. No. No. I'm just laughing because I'm like, think I would have given you a preview.

Speaker 1: 27:44

Yeah. You were gonna give it to me anyway. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:45

Here's what happens. I I always finish editing a video and I'm so excited. I just need to show people and I'm like, I can't send you a time it very specifically for when we release something. Yeah. So I'm always in misery for like twelve hours.

Speaker 2: 27:59

And this morning

Speaker 1: 27:59

Like, Adam, could you stop having a crisis so I can send you this video? Please. Yeah. This is not a good moment, but I need to send it to you.

Speaker 2: 28:07

Yeah. Literally, this this morning, I was like, Jay, I wanna post a video. Like, I know you wanna have this blog post in writing, but, like, let me know when it's done. And I just got so impatient, was like, fuck it, I'm just posting it.

Speaker 1: 28:17

Give me

Speaker 2: 28:18

the blog post, I'll post it later.

Speaker 1: 28:20

Oh, it's funny.

Speaker 2: 28:21

Yeah. But I I so I made that video, it took me exactly one day. I started yesterday, probably around, like planned it and then I showered and shaved my head so I could look okay. And then I filmed from like noon to I finished editing around like 10PM. It was a one day effort.

Speaker 2: 28:42

That was my first time filming entirely on an iPhone. That was my only

Speaker 1: 28:47

You're really into this idea. You're really into the iPhone cinematography thing.

Speaker 2: 28:51

Yeah. Because because it's like, just the the floor of it is sorry, Sam just texted me.

Speaker 1: 29:01

Oh.

Speaker 2: 29:04

But it's not related to what he's talking about. He goes, I did not wake up this morning expecting to see your nips. Every day is an adventure.

Speaker 1: 29:12

Yeah. There's a little bit of shirtless snacks in this video. I mean, you're wearing a shirt.

Speaker 2: 29:19

A thank you for for the great support you

Speaker 1: 29:23

guys gave us. Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 2: 29:28

But So I am really into this iPhone thing. So I bought

Speaker 1: 29:32

Like, it goes back before before this video. I mean, like, you've been showing me, like, your rig and all this. Like, you've kinda got this set up. And I get it. I'm excited about not having big hunky cameras.

Speaker 1: 29:42

Anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 29:43

Yeah. And so this is the first thing that I actually try to do with it. So I bought this rig that you'd like slot your iPhone into and it has like nice handles. I mean, talked about this already in the podcast last time.

Speaker 1: 29:54

Oh, right.

Speaker 2: 29:55

So this is the first thing that I filmed with it and it was such a great experience like, it's just so versatile that it's like so much less cumbersome and when you need to like rework stuff because something doesn't go according to plan, it's it's pretty easy. And the video quality is is pretty good.

Speaker 1: 30:11

It's great.

Speaker 2: 30:11

Yeah. Like

Speaker 1: 30:12

I'm looking at still frames of it right now.

Speaker 2: 30:14

Yeah. Like it's a it looks very good. I just dropped in the standard LUT that Apple gives you, which, know, that you I probably should have tweaked it, it's like a little oversaturated but, know, it's

Speaker 1: 30:26

it's pretty good for what it is. It's good. Even the low light like the outdoor scene. Also shout out Liz, I can see you in the reflection of the the door. Good work on the camera work.

Speaker 1: 30:36

Nice. I mean, I should have known it wasn't Zuko. Like, of course, it was Liz. Yeah. Were you at all afraid you were gonna drop the were you ever afraid you were gonna drop the laptop?

Speaker 1: 30:48

Or did

Speaker 2: 30:48

you drop the laptop? It's funny because there's there's so many people replying being like, oh, what a wealth flex? Like, you know, he's so rich that you can just spin this and not give a shit. It's actually not a wealth flex. It's actually a deep confidence in myself.

Speaker 2: 30:59

Oh, yeah. That's what I'm flexing right there. Okay. I had no doubt that I wasn't gonna drop.

Speaker 1: 31:03

And it

Speaker 2: 31:03

was on hard tile floor. And I spun it a bunch of times throughout the day and I didn't drop it once. Wondered if you

Speaker 1: 31:09

how much you'd practice.

Speaker 2: 31:10

High confidence. Yeah. Really.

Speaker 1: 31:11

High confidence. Okay.

Speaker 2: 31:12

Just just from my ultimate days, know, spinning a frisbee on my on my finger.

Speaker 1: 31:16

I've got a still frame of

Speaker 2: 31:17

it right now. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 31:18

And it looks like the the laptop looks fake because it's like in motion. And it I don't know. Just the way it's balancing on your face. It looks like it's floating above your hand, like levitating and it's glowing. It's just it's very funny.

Speaker 1: 31:28

I'm gonna I'm gonna send you this frame. It's it's funny. That sounds really cool. Yeah. The other

Speaker 2: 31:33

thing was I did not use any external mics. I just use the onboard iPhone mics. The iPhone 16 has three microphones on it now and it does a pretty good job.

Speaker 1: 31:43

So that blew my mind. That the audio was just from the phone mic. Like when you're sitting in that chair, it's picking you up well enough just over the phone mic.

Speaker 2: 31:53

Yeah. And remember how noisy my back Oh, is because the highway is right there?

Speaker 1: 31:56

Uh-huh.

Speaker 2: 31:56

And it was pretty windy too. So that plus like a tiny bit of processing during editing. Yeah. It's a yeah. It's clearly none of it is as good as a pro setup, but it's so close that that the cumbersome trade off is just like, you're just gonna produce better stuff because you it's more flexible.

Speaker 2: 32:15

Yeah. I'm pretty excited. We're gonna use this in in New York.

Speaker 1: 32:19

Nice. In our mystery it's still a mystery. Right? People don't know what we're doing yet?

Speaker 2: 32:23

Yeah. Nice. Are you still going? It's it's a roller coaster.

Speaker 1: 32:26

TBD. Yes. Still day by day trying to figure out what life looks like.

Speaker 2: 32:32

The only thing is it can't really be day by day for this because, like, we need to figure out

Speaker 1: 32:35

a streaming

Speaker 2: 32:36

jeez. Solution if you can

Speaker 1: 32:38

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:39

That that only occurred to me this morning. I was like before I was like, yeah, it's fine. You can figure it out. I was like, okay, that's actually the one thing that Okay.

Speaker 1: 32:44

I will let you know is a little critical. One of these day

Speaker 2: 32:47

by It's not a big deal either way. We we just need to know what we need to buy on our end.

Speaker 1: 32:51

Okay. Which we can do. Yeah. Okay. We'll we'll we'll talk.

Speaker 1: 32:57

Yeah. We'll talk through that. Yeah. I would love to hang out. I mean, would love to be with you guys for a bit.

Speaker 1: 33:03

That that sounds very refreshing given all the current events.

Speaker 2: 33:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:07

Some hangout time. And obviously, I'm excited about the event and what we're doing. It's very exciting. Oh, did you say iPhone 16? Yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:15

I think I have a 15. There's a new one? When did that Yeah. When did that happen?

Speaker 2: 33:19

'15 and '16 just because of the mic thing and I gave Liz my 15.

Speaker 1: 33:22

So three mics, When did they come out? Is this like recent?

Speaker 2: 33:26

I used to I've had it for a couple months now. I used to was know now TwitchCon.

Speaker 1: 33:29

Was that new?

Speaker 2: 33:29

I think.

Speaker 1: 33:30

It was new when you got it? Like it just came out?

Speaker 2: 33:33

Yeah. Yeah. It it probably came out two months ago.

Speaker 1: 33:35

I used to like watch all the Apple events and WWDC and like all this stuff and know exactly when every new device is coming out. And now, I've gone years and I don't even know half the time what number my phone is. But I do remember recently, I broke my phone and had to take it to the place and it was a fifteenth. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:52

Nice.

Speaker 1: 33:53

Nice. Great story. Great story. Well, there's more to the story but I'm not gonna share it for the sake of others. It actually could be a pretty good story but sometimes you sacrifice the content for the people, you know.

Speaker 2: 34:05

I'm thinking about that goose meme.

Speaker 1: 34:06

What's the goose meme? Do you know the goose meme where the goose is

Speaker 2: 34:10

like chasing the guy asking him a question?

Speaker 1: 34:12

What? No. Is it the Aflac goose? That's like a commercial. That's a goose, right?

Speaker 2: 34:17

The Aflac? Is it a duck? It's it's this one. It's this meme. I found it.

Speaker 1: 34:20

I feel like

Speaker 2: 34:21

you're describing

Speaker 1: 34:21

Aflac commercials and calling it a meme. That's what I my guess.

Speaker 2: 34:24

No. There's there's everything about that sentence is

Speaker 1: 34:27

Does he say Aflac? Because that's the Aflac duck or goose

Speaker 2: 34:31

or whatever. Is this a goose or is it a duck?

Speaker 1: 34:33

What did you send me?

Speaker 2: 34:34

Let's see. The one I just sent you.

Speaker 1: 34:35

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've seen this. It's in the jacket. What's in that jacket?

Speaker 2: 34:40

Except except he's asking, how'd your phone break? How'd your phone break? You know?

Speaker 1: 34:45

That's what everyone wants to know right now. Did I did I make it did I make it clear that that was the interesting part of the story, how my phone broke? Did I make that Clear? I don't know. It's clear now.

Speaker 1: 34:56

How'd your phone break? Anyway, let's move on. That's funny. I don't get I don't get what's in the jacket if I'm being honest. Like, I don't get this specific version of the meme.

Speaker 2: 35:05

No. The p p p p p people replace that with something that's relevant.

Speaker 1: 35:09

Yeah. Get that. Okay. I get that this is like the meme template, but whoever made this one, the what's in the jacket, I don't get it.

Speaker 2: 35:15

Because I think it's a goose down jacket. Is that why? Oh, that confirms it's a goose.

Speaker 1: 35:19

Oh, I see.

Speaker 2: 35:21

Is that what it

Speaker 1: 35:21

is? Maybe. That makes sense. Theycantalk.com. Interesting.

Speaker 1: 35:26

Okay.

Speaker 2: 35:26

What else is going on? Let's see. Let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 1: 35:29

Oh, we have a new president or an old president.

Speaker 2: 35:31

Oh, that's true. We have a

Speaker 1: 35:33

I mean, the the politics happened. Do we want to touch this Yeah. With a 10 foot pole or do we want to just skate on by it?

Speaker 2: 35:41

I wanna talk about a little bit about the Okay. About Guillermo's tweet.

Speaker 1: 35:44

Let's do it. Oh, I saw this. And I'm like the most disconnected I've ever been, and I even saw this. Yeah. I gotta say, I don't get it.

Speaker 1: 35:52

I don't get why people freaked out about someone congratulating the new president. Like, I feel like that's a thing people do every single time there's a new president. And like people who like everyone respects. Like, if Obama does it, everybody's like, cool. Love that guy.

Speaker 1: 36:06

But why did people freak out that Guillermo did it? I don't understand it. I get it if you don't like Next. Js. The caching policies drive you crazy.

Speaker 1: 36:12

But like, really, I don't understand it. I don't get it. So I I have a I have

Speaker 2: 36:19

a grand explanation for all of this.

Speaker 1: 36:21

I was just gonna get real spicy and say, it's just childish. Like, you just look like a child on the Internet if you're like, shame on you. Like, what the what are you talking about? You just like, it's a just I don't get it. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I don't get, like, you said the name Trump.

Speaker 1: 36:35

What a loser. Like, what is that attitude? I just don't understand it.

Speaker 2: 36:39

So to me, this is a very bad situation. So here's my, like, psychological analysis of everything that happened. Yeah. So Guillermo tweeted, congratulations Donald Trump. And then he posted, it's crazy to see the impact of x.

Speaker 2: 36:53

I'm just gonna listen to a bunch of things that he was like, it's crazy that this stuff had an impact on it. The reason he did that is because he's trying to fit in with like the Silicon Valley, like very serious CEO crowd. Because if you look at it, all the billion dollars, you know, company, public company CEOs are posting that. So his message wasn't deeply insightful, it was just kind of like this vague, like, you know, mimicry of

Speaker 1: 37:19

Okay.

Speaker 2: 37:19

That vibe. Yeah. So in a way it's a little sad because it's like he was just trying to fit in with his group. Yeah. And then the people reading it read it as an extremely strong endorsement of certain things that they don't agree with Uh-huh.

Speaker 2: 37:34

And they found that very disappointing and everyone was really pissed at him. But the reason I find it sad is because like, he he wasn't doing that guys. He was just like trying to like fit in with

Speaker 1: 37:43

He's trying to fit in.

Speaker 2: 37:44

That he wants

Speaker 1: 37:44

to fit in with. Aw.

Speaker 2: 37:45

And then everyone's really pissed at it. Yeah. I mean, on one hand I I get it like people it's like the timing of it was insane, especially to an audience that is like leans

Speaker 1: 37:56

Sure.

Speaker 2: 37:56

Pretty much in in in one direction.

Speaker 1: 37:58

So you actually think like the response, the people getting upset about it, that like they they have valid criticism?

Speaker 2: 38:04

I don't know if I would call it valid. I think I understand it. I obviously don't have that reaction at all anywhere remotely to that reaction. Yeah. I think, you know, everyone has different levels of emotions at the end of the day.

Speaker 2: 38:16

And I get how literally, you know, in the in the like within twelve hours of of the event, probably people, you know, thought in a much more extreme way than it was intended. And they disagree, they finally disagree and they think that it's they don't feel aligned with this company and the tool and I get that. And you're totally allowed to feel that way and to like, you know I don't agree with this thing where people are like, you should not boycott people over politics. Yeah. I think it's I wouldn't.

Speaker 2: 38:46

Yeah. I personally wouldn't but I think people should Yeah. And should be allowed to do And just like, it's it's it's fine. It's just to me, it was just like a funny dynamic because of wasn't intentional. It was like treated as a good heavy endorsement, but it wasn't.

Speaker 1: 39:01

That's I guess that's my thing. It's like, I guess it's just this formality in my mind that people congratulate the incoming president. Not like I I didn't read it as Guillermo, like, endorsing or saying, I think I am on board with everything this person stands for. It was just like one I think the fitting in thing makes perfect sense because it it just felt like a kind of tweet you see from, like, Tim Cook. Like, congratulations.

Speaker 1: 39:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:25

That was mister president. From Tim Cook.

Speaker 1: 39:26

Oh, wasn't really that? Yeah. That's exactly how I viewed it. And then for people to, like it just feels a little virtue signal y when people are like, shame on you. And I don't know, it's probably some of my friends, so I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 39:37

If if there happens to be a Venn diagram of people that listen to this show that are my friend that also tweeted in response to Top G, I'm sorry. I don't dislike you or I'm not. I don't know. I'm just walking back on my spicy. Just forget all the spicy I said.

Speaker 1: 39:54

You're fine. It's fine. I just don't I don't really get the I don't know. I'm gonna flame somebody because they said congratulations, President Trump.

Speaker 2: 40:03

It's it's funny because it's it's technically virtuously going on the other side too because why is Tim Cook and Satya Nadella like, why are they doing this? It's because they are enormous companies that face heavy regulation burden and they they need to cozy up to whoever the current administration is. Yeah. And you know, Guillermo's like, yeah, us too, we're also like that. We're also that important.

Speaker 1: 40:28

Come on, Trump.

Speaker 2: 40:29

So yeah. Look out for Vercell. They

Speaker 1: 40:31

need your help.

Speaker 2: 40:31

Yeah. It's just a it's just a funny situation. Yeah, I think it upsets a lot of people and I'm sure the employees within and I've talked to a few people that are that work inside Vercel that, you know, didn't didn't like that. I think if I want to make the case for people that are upset with it, it's that generally this is fine no matter who wins an election. Like, there's two candidates, you agree with one, agree with the other, it's fine.

Speaker 2: 40:55

It's a democracy, it's the outcome of election. Mhmm. And you, you know, everything you're saying makes sense. I think the way people feel is this candidate is so outside the bounds of what's acceptable that anyone treating it like a normal situation is implicitly saying that this is I'm like normalizing this candidate as a normal person, but, know, people believe that this is still outside the range of anything normal. We shouldn't do anything that might potentially normalize

Speaker 1: 41:24

Yeah. This type of behavior.

Speaker 2: 41:26

I get get I see that argument. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:28

Definitely outside normal.

Speaker 2: 41:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:30

I also feel like it's not gonna get any better over the next twenty years. Like, I just feel like normal that ship sailed a long time ago. Like, our our political sphere is so far from normal at this point. I mean, I think like that like, the democrats are just gonna keep losing because they're trying to play like normal games and like

Speaker 2: 41:49

At some point, they gotta learn the lesson though. And it's not just a normal thing for me. So Jay posted a bunch about this. They didn't just lose. It was like a colossal

Speaker 1: 42:00

was like a slap in the face, right? They did. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:02

They did so bad across the board everywhere, senate Yep. House representatives. Compare every single county to how Biden performed Mhmm. And Biden was like such a nothing candidate to be in with. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:16

It was like it's just like they've had so many moments where they should have like been like, we need to pivot drastically because we're like failing in places we should not be failing at all.

Speaker 1: 42:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:28

And you kind of wonder like at what point do they realize like, we gotta stop fucking around and like, just go for the win Yeah. And do what we need to go for the win. And what they need to do for that has been kind of obvious for a very long time. So, yeah, I just don't know why it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1: 42:43

Oh, well, now I now I feel like you need to say it because I mean, I it's probably not obvious to me. I'm pretty simple on this front.

Speaker 2: 42:50

I think a few things that they do wrong is every every politician when they were campaigned, they're supposed to do some very basic things. Make very concrete promises so that the average person can understand what they're getting when they elect you. You know, most of the times these are like effectively lies or they don't happen. Sure. That's like the thing.

Speaker 2: 43:09

When I say Trump, you know that you get border, you get tax cuts, you get like Sure. He's like, any average person can probably tell you what they are. Yeah. If I say, know, the other candidate, what what what is their thing?

Speaker 1: 43:25

Yeah. What are

Speaker 2: 43:25

you getting with that? Sure. Nobody knows.

Speaker 1: 43:27

Do you just not know do you not know how to pronounce Kamala? Because I don't either.

Speaker 2: 43:31

Kamala Harris? Kamala. Just I don't know. That's the one. Not only is she half Indian, she's actually from the exact same part of

Speaker 1: 43:37

I I didn't know that you had this tie until like the day of the election. That's so cool.

Speaker 2: 43:42

Yeah. I mean, it sucks

Speaker 1: 43:44

to lose, but it's so cool that you have that tie to to a losing politician.

Speaker 2: 43:48

It's I don't I don't like her and I don't think she's a good candidate, so Sure. It's fine.

Speaker 1: 43:53

I my my problem with

Speaker 2: 43:54

the Now that she's lost.

Speaker 1: 43:55

Yeah. My problem with the Democrats is way more like Grug Bane. You're probably on the like the hoodie guy and I'm on the far left of the Grug meme or whatever, the bell curve. Mine is just like they're going against a party that's like it's like a religion for them. I mean, in some cases, it literally is a religion for them.

Speaker 1: 44:15

But like, they're so passionate about their candidate. It's like they would die for their candidate. And then on the Democrat side, they're just like, well, guys

Speaker 2: 44:25

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:25

Like, here's logic and reason and why we should do this this way. And it's like, there's no passion. There's no, like, just like being fired up about it.

Speaker 2: 44:33

And that's kind of what I'm saying like there's well, like that is true, but I don't think the reason they lost was because the democrats failed to win over really passionate people. What happened was they just failed to win over they just failed to win over like people that don't care that much.

Speaker 1: 44:55

They got the passionate people, they just don't have anybody else.

Speaker 2: 44:58

Yeah. And and Trump is always gonna have, like, that side of the passionate equivalent on their side, right? Yes. It just felt like people were like, I don't care about the details, like, here's x y z reasons why I'm happy and this one candidate says he's gonna fix x y z things. Whereas I feel like Democrats' entire thing, they keep doing this is all they talk about is how they're not this other person, how this other person is Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 45:20

Really bad in x y z ways. And even though those things are true, it's just not what the average person is looking for. Yeah. So that that's one thing. The second thing is just actually just steal what the Republicans talk about and just make that your your own talking points.

Speaker 2: 45:37

Because like, they're just basic things that everyone that every person cares about. Yeah. I feel that Democrats are like really focused on these like really complex, like, crazy ideas that don't really impact most people. Like, just kind of flush that side of the stuff out of your party and just be like, kind of boring and be like, we're gonna make you richer, we're gonna make you safer. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:57

You do that Yeah. And we're gonna we're gonna up bored.

Speaker 1: 45:59

That's like two of

Speaker 2: 46:00

the You say those three things.

Speaker 1: 46:01

What's the Maslow's Yeah. Like, hierarchy or whatever? That's a couple of the big ones, Right?

Speaker 2: 46:05

Yeah. Just do that. Be boring. Be straightforward. Pick a candidate that like is like a southern governor

Speaker 1: 46:12

or something that's a democrat. There's a few of

Speaker 2: 46:14

those like Is

Speaker 1: 46:15

that who the

Speaker 2: 46:15

I just can't see you not winning if you do that.

Speaker 1: 46:17

Yeah. Who was the VP candidate? Was he a he was a governor from somewhere. Was it a Southern state or

Speaker 2: 46:21

From Minnesota?

Speaker 1: 46:23

Minnesota. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:24

Midwest. Like, yeah. He he's he's pretty he's pretty close.

Speaker 1: 46:26

Shouldn't they like

Speaker 2: 46:27

I don't know. Had

Speaker 1: 46:29

one from Georgia or Pennsylvania or is that retrospect? Is

Speaker 2: 46:33

that They were considering the one from Pennsylvania. Okay. Yeah. They're considering the governor of Pennsylvania. He was like

Speaker 1: 46:37

I guess there's no one state that decided this one. They just kinda got swept.

Speaker 2: 46:42

So it's across the board. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:43

Four years ago, it was like, Georgia turns out really important. Was that four years ago? Yeah. This time, not so much. It was just sort of like

Speaker 2: 46:51

Yeah. A sweep. It's like, how did you do worse than Biden? That should be like

Speaker 1: 46:56

a Yeah. That's crazy tough. That's Wake up call. That's a big slap in the face for sure. I don't I don't know how Biden became president.

Speaker 1: 47:03

That's kind of wild actually. Maybe that's also revisionist history like, maybe he didn't seem so old and decrepit when he ran but

Speaker 2: 47:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 47:11

I'm pretty simple. Are you old and decrepit? I'm out. Sorry.

Speaker 2: 47:14

The other thing is I think this has gotten more extreme over time. I think it's gonna be very very hard for a candidate to have consecutive terms. I don't know how frequent this has been historically, but I think it's just gonna get harder and harder. Because I just feel like it's an overall attention span thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:33

Like, we try someone new and if it doesn't go well, we're just like, we want the next thing. Yeah. So picking a candidate that's associated with the existing administration, you're just like screwed from Yeah. The That was a rough

Speaker 1: 47:44

situation all the way around because like, I remember when the talk was like, they could never remove Biden. He's never gonna step out. Like, this is just what they're stuck with. And then when it did finally shift, yeah, it's like, how do you prepare that late in the game? Like, it's kind of Yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:58

And, like, she's stuck being like, I can't be like everything I disagree with everything Biden did. I can do everything different.

Speaker 1: 48:03

That's the space of support, but, like, also

Speaker 2: 48:06

Yeah. And, like, you were there, so you're just you're just kind of saying, like, I failed to be impactful. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:11

Oh, yeah. That's tough.

Speaker 2: 48:11

Everyone everyone wants something new. Everyone wants, like, a brand new thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:15

So No. I I I hear you on the consecutive term saying, in fact, I think I heard it on, like, a FiveThirtyEight podcast. They talked about the trend.

Speaker 2: 48:21

Oh, really?

Speaker 1: 48:22

It's like it's what you said, the attention span, but it's also the, like, distrust and authority. It's like, basically every incumbent government and everyone's like, nah, you're not it. Like, we don't trust you and you had a chance and you failed.

Speaker 2: 48:34

Yeah. So I think given those things, you just gotta bring something fresh every single time. And I hope the next time that they put someone up, they really try to go for the win. Like if you're like, I need to win. I need to figure out what to do to win.

Speaker 2: 48:49

Yeah. You would do almost nothing that they did. I just wish they would focus on on winning more.

Speaker 1: 48:54

Go for more of them. Seems like a good strategy. Strategy. I mean, really, if you're to focus on winning, I feel like if you're gonna focus on something, you should probably be winning. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 49:04

I just went like fifteen seconds without without saying anything. That was just for fun. Yeah. I think, like, more of a boom busty kind of like, I play fantasy football, and you have players that, like, they're gonna get you nine points, and it's not gonna be exciting, and you're kinda gonna hate that they're on your team, but, like, whatever. They're gonna get you your nine points.

Speaker 1: 49:21

And then there's people that could get you 25 points or they're probably gonna get zero. Are you saying, like, when you say go for the win, is it like get somebody like that who's kind of polarizing and like a a big swing and a miss kind of potential, but could be a home run?

Speaker 2: 49:35

Yeah. I I I guess what I'm saying that, like, pick picking a candidate is one thing, but just overall, just the attitude does not seem to be like, we're gonna do whatever it takes to win. Like, we're gonna figure out the strategy, we're gonna do we're gonna we're gonna focus on what people want to hear, we're gonna like say those things. If that changes, we're gonna pivot and say the other things that people want to hear. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:54

Like, it's it's an election. It's not you gotta do what you need to do to win the election Yeah. So that you can do the

Speaker 1: 50:00

things Yeah. You need to do Yeah. In

Speaker 2: 50:02

power. And that's just the way it is. Like, it's maybe doesn't fit some ideal, but

Speaker 1: 50:06

That's just the way it is.

Speaker 2: 50:09

The game

Speaker 1: 50:09

is be more complicated. Isn't that a song? I think I made that one. Did I make that one up? Yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:14

No.

Speaker 2: 50:14

That's real. You're right. That is a song.

Speaker 1: 50:15

It's like an old old song, I think.

Speaker 2: 50:17

Was it You're in musical today.

Speaker 1: 50:18

I know. I keep singing. Maybe that's my new identity. I wanna be a singer.

Speaker 2: 50:23

Maybe you're in a good mood.

Speaker 1: 50:24

Maybe. It's kind of crazy given, yeah, the last twenty four hours. Sorry. You know

Speaker 2: 50:28

what it feels like? You know how it feels like when it comes to sports, let's say like sprinting

Speaker 1: 50:34

Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 50:34

You know, someone should just be able to like be born a certain way and then like, just train generally and then they could just be the best sprinter ever.

Speaker 1: 50:43

Mhmm.

Speaker 2: 50:44

But the game has gotten advanced even for something as basic as run really fast. Yeah. It's like, there's a whole perfect nutrition approach. A whole like exact type of training you need to do and each thing gives you like a point one percentage advantage and there's just so many of those things where if you're not playing the game, you like really just the game has just changed. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:04

And I I feel that way about politics too. Like, it's it's very advanced now.

Speaker 1: 51:09

Yeah. That's a great analogy actually. It's like in the fifties, you could be a professional football player and you're like smoking cigars at halftime and you're like Right. Drinking a can of beer and then you go back out after the first half. Now, it's like elite elite nutrition.

Speaker 1: 51:23

Everything is perfect to hone those little tiny advantages. That's that's dead on. Well, even like you look at the Olympics that come around every four years, like the swimmers, they all have the like perfect swimmer body. Like, they're proportioned to be an Olympic athlete. Like, you can't just be born with like long legs and suddenly you're gonna be an Olympic swimmer.

Speaker 1: 51:41

You have to have the like giant upper body, tiny little dolphin legs.

Speaker 2: 51:46

They they look like boats.

Speaker 1: 51:47

Yeah. They literally look like a hull. This is so true. Like, everything now, it's like it gets more and more refined and more competitive. And yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1: 51:55

That's how politics should be. Like, you gotta get up to that level of challenge if you're the Democratic Party, and you gotta say, this isn't the fifties anymore. How do we compete at this elite level? That's a great call.

Speaker 2: 52:05

Yeah. Yeah. Just just less weakness, more strength.

Speaker 1: 52:08

A lot of people talk about I feel like as a layman that doesn't really get into political science, a lot of people talk about the Democrats being like bad at elections, but they win sometimes. Right? Like, I mean, Biden who was it before that? I guess Obama. Obama.

Speaker 1: 52:22

Right? Before that, Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2: 52:24

Don't know. Clinton. Yeah. Like, there's been mean, some Bush in between, but

Speaker 1: 52:27

Yeah. There's been some Democrat Yeah. Democratic wins.

Speaker 2: 52:29

But the the Clinton win was very similar to the the situation right now, but in reverse. The Republicans were messing up Mhmm. In a way and then the Democrats are like, here is a southern governor from Arkansas.

Speaker 1: 52:43

Yeah. He kinda had the wider appeal. He could appeal to people that were a little more in the middle.

Speaker 2: 52:47

Yeah. Who's young also? Like, was pretty Oh, yeah. He was definitely not near the ages that we're listening we're seeing now.

Speaker 1: 52:54

Yeah. What is that about? I don't understand the politics thing. Yeah. 90 year olds.

Speaker 2: 52:58

The other thought I had is like, we might just be in like a really weird time. Like, there's a lot of people from a generation we cannot connect to at all still alive. And then you like shift forward

Speaker 1: 53:13

ten or twenty years. And I don't think it's

Speaker 2: 53:15

like Everyone kind of looks the same at that point. There's like not really these people that are like they live in a different world effectively.

Speaker 1: 53:24

Just just say it. Boomers. They're boomers.

Speaker 2: 53:27

Yeah. They're boomers.

Speaker 1: 53:27

That we don't have any boomers. Have I ever said the word have

Speaker 2: 53:29

I ever said the word boomer before?

Speaker 1: 53:30

I don't know. I'm pretty sure we don't have any boomer listeners. I'm pretty sure. I don't think they listen to podcasts, if I'm being honest.

Speaker 2: 53:36

What about your mom?

Speaker 1: 53:37

I don't think she listens. I don't know. Mom, do you listen to this? Let me know in the comments. Like and subscribe, please.

Speaker 1: 53:44

I don't I don't actually think my parents listen. No. I don't think boomers know what podcasts are even. I don't think it's like on their radar. They listen to like Sirius XM.

Speaker 1: 53:53

Like, they have like satellite radio. They don't listen to podcasts.

Speaker 2: 53:57

Yeah. Like, by the time like in ten or twenty years, the oldest people around will maybe be our parents and Yeah. Like if that, right? And it's at that point, it's like everyone, most people on Earth are gonna be from this like internet world. And we're definitely not we definitely don't all agree but like Yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:18

There's at least there's not like these like

Speaker 1: 54:21

There's that commonality.

Speaker 2: 54:22

Yeah. Like I think generally people from those world like understand like the modern world where like

Speaker 1: 54:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:28

A lot of what you read is not true and you're skeptical of like everything. Like it's it's a

Speaker 1: 54:32

That's a great point actually. I don't think about how old there are there are so many people in their seventies, eighties that are voting that like we are basically a different species. I mean, like, we have nothing in common with that generation at this point. Like, they're far removed from our modern society. Right?

Speaker 1: 54:53

Like, is that is that ageist? I don't know if if I'm being a horrible

Speaker 2: 54:58

I mean, it's it's just a it's just a reality, like, you know, the world changed a lot in a certain time period and you're either on one side or the other side of it. Mhmm.

Speaker 1: 55:08

Yeah. I don't think about, like, the gap in ages. You got 18 year olds voting and then you got 75 year olds voting. Kinda weird actually, like to think that that group of people, yeah, would all come to like a common solution.

Speaker 2: 55:22

And for me, it's less about the voting and more about the literally being in office thing.

Speaker 1: 55:25

Oh, that that is nuts to me. There should be an age limit.

Speaker 2: 55:28

If we saw this problem of like 75 year old people running for president, again, in ten or twenty years, that 75 year old person is like not that weird compared to yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:38

It's more of our peers than or at least like, yeah, less of a gap. It's an interesting thought experiment.

Speaker 2: 55:45

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:45

Do you get really dry this time of year? I guess Miami is really wet. Like, do you ever get dry?

Speaker 2: 55:50

I got I got a comment on the video already that was like, I love that Miami is humid because it makes your head look so shiny.

Speaker 1: 55:57

I'm looking at the shiny right now. That's funny.

Speaker 2: 55:59

I don't yeah. I I don't get I don't get dry.

Speaker 1: 56:02

Okay. Well, I have to like slather like lip balm on my lips because they're cracking like the corners of my lips. Like, can't open my mouth very

Speaker 2: 56:09

I remember that. I remember that that lip the lip

Speaker 1: 56:12

You got that in New York or

Speaker 2: 56:14

just my whole life. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 56:15

I'm gonna say this something.

Speaker 2: 56:16

I'd have chapped lips.

Speaker 1: 56:17

I don't wanna be racist. That's a terrible way to start a sentence because it's like sure that you're gonna say something racist

Speaker 2: 56:23

after The moment you say that, it makes me really excited to hear what you're about to say.

Speaker 1: 56:27

Well, I don't wanna like jump to conclusions, but I know like different color skin has different properties. And I just wondered like when you lived in New York, you see you you do get dry skin. You don't really burn sunburn Yeah. Except for that one time. So I just didn't know if like, I don't know, your skin is just naturally moister than mine and it just never gets dry.

Speaker 2: 56:46

No. Actually, people with darker skin tend to have drier skin.

Speaker 1: 56:50

Really? Okay.

Speaker 2: 56:51

In my experience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 56:53

So like Interesting. I I think that's related to the climate. Like, when I was in colder climates, my super dry skin, I still have like like, I still don't take care of my skin that way. Maybe. But it's like way less dry than it used to be.

Speaker 2: 57:06

Just

Speaker 1: 57:06

from being in Miami. Like, where where you're from in India, is it like a warm tropical climate? Like, kind of climate?

Speaker 2: 57:13

It's like identical to Miami. Really?

Speaker 1: 57:15

Tropical. Well, that's nice. Got that little slice of home. I'm in I'm in my I'm

Speaker 2: 57:19

in my the correct environment. Have you ever played Zoo Tycoon?

Speaker 1: 57:22

Maybe. Oh, I think I'm flooding with good memories right now. Yes?

Speaker 2: 57:27

Yeah. You like It's like a tycoon but you make a zoo. Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:30

It's very similar to roller coaster tycoon.

Speaker 2: 57:32

Yeah. And you have to, like, you have to, like, put, like, the right terrain and environment so the animals would be happy

Speaker 1: 57:37

if they're

Speaker 2: 57:38

not

Speaker 1: 57:38

just do over this. That's you. You're in your correct

Speaker 2: 57:41

field path.

Speaker 1: 57:41

It feels that way. I'm I'm like I'm like in the correct habitat. Yeah. Have you had that thought before or did that one just click?

Speaker 2: 57:46

No. I think as we were as I was imagining me being in Florida, it's like, yeah, I got dropped here, but, like, you know, they recreated the right environment for me.

Speaker 1: 57:54

That's too funny. Can we we gotta get the guy I'm sure he's done a lot of podcasts. The guy that made RollerCoaster Tycoon in assembly. That's like a legendary story at this point, isn't it? I wanna hear from him.

Speaker 1: 58:05

Yeah. That's true. Wanna hang out with that guy. Who is he? I wonder how old he is.

Speaker 2: 58:08

Mister Tycoon himself?

Speaker 1: 58:09

Yeah. Mister Tycoon. Right.

Speaker 2: 58:11

Yeah. That's the last name.

Speaker 1: 58:12

Who are like the legend like, we gotta have more people sorry. Know you're just I just blew right past that joke. Sorry. We gotta have more people on the podcast, and I don't know who people would wanna hear from. I mean, I can think of people I'd like to hang out with.

Speaker 1: 58:24

I don't know. If you're a listener of the show and you wanna, like, email us at somethingsomething@tomorrow.fm, shoot us an email. Let us know somebody you'd like to have on. You have somebody?

Speaker 2: 58:34

Can I tell you something I struggle with a little bit?

Speaker 1: 58:36

Yes.

Speaker 2: 58:37

I think that I this isn't like enough of a problem to say like we should or should not do anything.

Speaker 1: 58:45

Are you breaking up with me?

Speaker 2: 58:46

I think I I think I struggle no. Okay. I struggle with those types of guess.

Speaker 1: 58:51

What type of guess? Oh, like famous people?

Speaker 2: 58:53

Like people that are accomplished and like further like, they're like past the point where they have accomplished something and now they're just like, you know, established.

Speaker 1: 59:03

Like DHH? Just call them out. Because

Speaker 2: 59:10

It has nothing to do with the person. It's a me thing. Feel like I am way too on the same track or attempting to be on the same track as these people. So my entire mindset around everything when I think about these people is like seeing me be their peer one day because I could like get to maybe not the same level of accomplishment but get to like any amount of accomplishment on the same track. And when I when I like when we had them as guests, like, don't I don't feel good in this like interviewer.

Speaker 1: 59:42

Yeah, I don't wanna I don't wanna interview, I wanna hang out. That's a good point.

Speaker 2: 59:45

Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1: 59:46

Like when we had Pocock on and we're just hanging out. Like it's like just peers that are at the same kind of stage of career Yeah. Just talking. That's perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 59:56

But this thing where if you're just trying to be if you're if you're not on the same track of these people and you're just trying to like do content Yeah. And do that stuff, like it makes makes total sense. But for me, afterward, I always had this like weird feeling of like I don't know. It's it's hard for me to articulate but it's I

Speaker 1: 01:00:12

get it.

Speaker 2: 01:00:13

It's just in conflict with like my drive and my motivation and everything. I suddenly feel like I'm being pushed into this other

Speaker 1: 01:00:19

Yeah. Zone. It's kind of dumb disingenuous reasons that I would want to have well accomplished people. It's just for numbeys, you know. It's just like I want downloads of this stuff.

Speaker 1: 01:00:28

I just want I just want somebody whose people are gonna see the name and be like, oh, man, I gotta listen to that. But like if it was just about the enjoying the show, you're right. I mean, I enjoyed listening to DHH talk straight ninety minutes like without getting a breath in. That was fun. But, like, if I'm being honest, the Pocock thing, like, people who I mean, even, like, having Taylor and Ryan on, like, they're people that, like,

Speaker 2: 01:00:51

are in our They're definitely more accomplished.

Speaker 1: 01:00:53

They're more accomplished but they're in our stage of career. Like, they're not retired, they're not like on Mount Rushmore or whatever.

Speaker 2: 01:01:00

I I think the other thing that's challenging is when you're in this interviewer position, to do that well, you have to be really neutral and let the person like really be able to get deeply into the way they think. But because I want to be more of a peer, I don't want to do that. Yeah. I want to like be in conflict in certain areas and like have a different perspective on it. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:01:23

And the reality is it's you can't really do that. Like, that just doesn't really

Speaker 1: 01:01:26

Not with someone like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:01:28

It just doesn't really really exist.

Speaker 1: 01:01:30

So let's let's just yeah, have let's just have peers on. We need to just have the whole terminal crew on. We've never done that. Right? Just like have us all five.

Speaker 1: 01:01:37

I guess it'd be really hard to have five of us on.

Speaker 2: 01:01:38

No. We should do it. Yeah. We should

Speaker 1: 01:01:40

It'd be fun. I mean, it'd just be like whatever. It's maybe it's a train wreck, but people would listen. Yeah. Maybe we should

Speaker 2: 01:01:45

do it.

Speaker 1: 01:01:45

I guess we should get off here. I have no idea how long it's been because my thing is broken. I hope it recorded.

Speaker 2: 01:01:49

How come you don't have to pee? Has that changed too?

Speaker 1: 01:01:51

I'm a new man. I no longer have to pee. Think of all

Speaker 2: 01:01:56

the productivity. You're firing up all your emotions and the emotions are pushing out the urine.

Speaker 1: 01:02:01

I actually think there could be something to that. I I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor. I can't rule it out. It's possible.

Speaker 2: 01:02:08

Or maybe you were nervously drinking water. Maybe. You had some kind of repressed stuff, so you were just drinking the water as a way to self I

Speaker 1: 01:02:15

think it's it's a simpler explanation that we're recording in a weird time today. And this is not the time of day I pee constantly. I pee a lot in the morning right after coffee. Like, I drink coffee and then I have to pee I see. Every twenty minutes for like three hours and then I'm good.

Speaker 1: 01:02:29

Like, like, all afternoon I haven't drank anything. So has it been an hour? How long have we been talking? I have no idea because I have to get my boys off screen time.

Speaker 2: 01:02:36

So before we get off, I wanna tell you one theory that so Liz has all these funny theories that are like, they're funny because they seem kind of ridiculous but they're not totally implausible. Yeah. She has a whole set of them. But there's one that maybe you'll find helpful. Oh, I love it.

Speaker 1: 01:02:52

I think I've heard I sorry. I think I've heard her say theories like this where she's like, I have a theory. I can hear her doing that.

Speaker 2: 01:02:59

Exactly. Exactly. Continue. She thinks that we all underplay the role of smell in all parts of her life, especially relationships. And she thinks that when you meet someone new, all the excitement is because you have this new smell and then eventually you get very used to their smell and that correlates with, you know, the relationship going stale.

Speaker 1: 01:03:27

I love this. And I I it could be true.

Speaker 2: 01:03:31

And there just needs to be compatibility with smells. And she's like, that's how animals work and we're an animal, like, why do we think we're

Speaker 1: 01:03:37

It's true.

Speaker 2: 01:03:38

We're we're beyond this.

Speaker 1: 01:03:41

And she has a bunch she has a bunch

Speaker 2: 01:03:42

of other observations around this that I can't remember right now, but to like support it.

Speaker 1: 01:03:45

Is it is it just just romantic relationships or just like friendships, everything?

Speaker 2: 01:03:49

Probably everything, but like Yeah. Think she's mostly talking about romantic ones. So, yeah, maybe each you guys should like spend time in places where that don't have each other's smells as they get back together.

Speaker 1: 01:04:03

Just to be reminded reminded of the smell.

Speaker 2: 01:04:06

Yeah. Just to like, you know.

Speaker 1: 01:04:08

It's funny. We don't like Casey's pretty sensitive to like fragrances, like chemical fragrances, we don't wear like cologne or perfume. All of our cleaning Yeah. We just use like neither. Okay.

Speaker 1: 01:04:21

Yeah. We just use like vinegar for cleaning solution. Like, try to like so when somebody comes over and they've got like a lot of perfume on or something, it's like it's in the house for a couple days and it just like it's very Oh my dark when you're not used to it.

Speaker 2: 01:04:35

That reminds me okay. There is some kind of perfume that I will smell off someone, like, maybe, like, once every two weeks. Like, just walk by someone or whatever and I'll smell it. It is such a shocking smell to me because it smells so strongly of like cleaning alcohol or something. And if it reminds me of like COVID for some reason, like, it reminds me of like disinfecting something, like all the disinfectant that was just like in the air everywhere.

Speaker 2: 01:05:03

And like it like I had such, like, a repulsive reaction to it. And for the longest time, I didn't even know it was perfume. I literally thought, like, oh, someone just, like

Speaker 1: 01:05:12

Came from the hospital.

Speaker 2: 01:05:13

Without hand sanitizer or whatever or, like, yeah, something like that. And it's it's, like, this guttural reaction I have. And then I realized the other day, no, that they're smelling like that on purpose.

Speaker 1: 01:05:22

Like, They're trying to they're trying to

Speaker 2: 01:05:24

smell it. I like, my brain, like, kinda understood how it could be

Speaker 1: 01:05:28

a perfume for, like, a split second. And I was like,

Speaker 2: 01:05:30

oh my but for me, it just smells, like, horrible. It reminds me of COVID. Yeah. I'm like, this is the worst design perfume ever.

Speaker 1: 01:05:38

It's really interesting perfume and cologne. Did you wear cologne, like, growing up, like, high school? I did, for I'm

Speaker 2: 01:05:45

not trying I'm I had the same, like, high school boy thing where I tried it for a bit, but I I'm just not good with

Speaker 1: 01:05:51

habits High like school boys. Is there is there a weirder subgroup than high school boys? I feel like that is the So embarrassing. Strangest it's the most embarrassing. Like, I'm embarrassed I'm embarrassed for high school boys right now, like, whoever they are.

Speaker 1: 01:06:03

I don't even know them.

Speaker 2: 01:06:04

Are they embarrassing anymore? Probably. Actually

Speaker 1: 01:06:07

Yes. They have the broccoli haircut. Have you seen the have you seen this? Every like, I go to my gym and there'll be, eight people there and six of them are 18 year old boys with that haircut. It's insane.

Speaker 1: 01:06:18

I don't if it just hit the Ozarks Lake. When did everyone get curly hair? I don't know. That's because everyone's so curly They have to be like perming it or something. They're doing this on purpose.

Speaker 1: 01:06:26

Perming There's no way that many kids have curly hair. I'm just I'm convinced they're all going in perms and then they shave the sides. It looks ridiculous. I don't know how to like reach out to that generation and just shake them and say, listen, it's not good. It's not a good haircut.

Speaker 2: 01:06:40

We but every generation needs something to look back on and be embarrassed by it because it's like a bonding

Speaker 1: 01:06:45

frosted tips. I had like the the blonde frosted

Speaker 2: 01:06:49

point. You had the blonde

Speaker 1: 01:06:50

I frosted just had I

Speaker 2: 01:06:51

just had the the

Speaker 1: 01:06:52

bucket thing in the front. The rooster thing?

Speaker 2: 01:06:54

The the red.

Speaker 1: 01:06:55

That was our that was our generation. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's funny.

Speaker 2: 01:07:01

Yeah. And and my hair was super curly, so it was really hard for me to get it like that.

Speaker 1: 01:07:04

You could have had the broccoli cut, natural.

Speaker 2: 01:07:06

Yeah. I could have had I could have had it naturally.

Speaker 1: 01:07:08

Yeah. I know.

Speaker 2: 01:07:08

Just born at the wrong time. Now, don't even have any hair, so I can't even do it.

Speaker 1: 01:07:11

Man, I I really I wish I didn't have to just put a hat on all the time. I'm gonna shave it eventually because I just never wanna fix my hair. So your hair is the dream. Like, just shave it and never had to fix it. I guess you have to shave it.

Speaker 2: 01:07:21

Did I tell you my plans for my hair?

Speaker 1: 01:07:23

No. Implants? So

Speaker 2: 01:07:27

no, no. Okay. So I did so I found out that one of the best hair transplant places in the world is like ten minutes away from Of my

Speaker 1: 01:07:35

course it is. Of course it's in Miami.

Speaker 2: 01:07:36

Because I live in Miami.

Speaker 1: 01:07:37

Yeah. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2: 01:07:37

Yeah, of course. So I was like, okay, fuck it. I'll just go get a consultation, see what

Speaker 1: 01:07:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:07:41

See what what's what. And here's why I know it's a really good place. I went in, had my conversation, they talked me through a bunch of they asked me a lot of really interesting questions, had a lot of suggestions and they told me not to do one. Oh, why? That's how you know they're good because they're not trying to just get the money out of you.

Speaker 2: 01:07:57

They're like, it's Yeah. So basically, here's the thing I did not understand. So my thought process was I might as well get it. If I don't like it, I like the way I like my shaved head, but I can just go back to it. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:08:08

But it turns out you can't go back to your shaved head if you get a hair transplant because what they they take the hair from the back of your head and it leaves these like little dots there. So you have to commit to like, your new look.

Speaker 1: 01:08:21

Full time, the new look forever.

Speaker 2: 01:08:23

Yeah. And if you don't like it, you can't you can't shave.

Speaker 1: 01:08:26

Yeah. You look good bald, so I feel like it would be a waste to, like, ruin that for the rest of

Speaker 2: 01:08:31

your life.

Speaker 1: 01:08:31

Yeah. So he literally looked at me and he was like he just judged

Speaker 2: 01:08:33

me aesthetically.

Speaker 1: 01:08:34

He was like, Good looking bald guy.

Speaker 2: 01:08:35

Have a head that looks good shaved.

Speaker 1: 01:08:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:08:37

Yeah. So I think he was like, think I would make you look worse if I did what we did and like he said I would have to have two treatments, not just one. And so it would take like a year. Oof. And he just he was just like looking at everything and just like, I noticed he's like, yeah, I he had very low confidence that he would make me look better.

Speaker 2: 01:08:53

And that's what's funny about doctors in this field, whether it's plastic surgery or hair transplants. They need a sense of aesthetics to be like, I can make this person look better or I can't make this person look better and this is what looks good, this is what looks bad. Mhmm. And they like study that and get a get a good taste for it. So now I know that hair transplant is technically never going to be an option for me unless they figure out hair cloning, is like they take a little bigger hair and they make it into more, which is like, you know, that's like the technology they're trying to figure out.

Speaker 1: 01:09:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:09:23

So I'm like, okay, if I can't do that, I'm gonna go the other extreme. I'm going to get laser hair removal on my head.

Speaker 1: 01:09:30

Oh, so you never have to shave again.

Speaker 2: 01:09:31

Yeah. So here's a here's a here's a next funny bit. So I'm looking into this, I'm like, this a thing? Oh, this is really great. Someone on YouTube just makes a bunch of content.

Speaker 2: 01:09:41

She's someone that removes that does this and she makes a bunch of content about it. And I learned so much. Looked her up twenty minutes away from Oh, my

Speaker 1: 01:09:48

my word. Where do you live, Dex? It's not real. This is the best hair removal place, the best hair addition place.

Speaker 2: 01:09:56

Addition place.

Speaker 1: 01:09:57

All the best places.

Speaker 2: 01:09:58

Just Anything aesthetic you want to do yourself, you know, Miami's got you covered. It's like what we do. So I think it's gonna be a little painful and have to like make sure you don't stay in the sun a little bit after you do it. Oh, it's little tricky but Yeah. But like just never had like, if I could always look like this, this is like I shaved yesterday Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:10:17

That would be fantastic. And I don't to worry about my hair ever again just to my beard?

Speaker 1: 01:10:21

Oh, man. That does sound yeah. I wish they could make it where your hair like, I want my beard to just stay the length that it gets and then like not grow. Can they do that? It'd probably be really bad for you if they could.

Speaker 1: 01:10:31

They'd have to like Mhmm. Radiation or something. I don't know. Like, kill the hair follicles, but like That's good. Then the hair would slowly start falling out and you just have all these missing patches.

Speaker 1: 01:10:41

That'd be awful.

Speaker 2: 01:10:41

I don't understand why wigs aren't more popular. Yeah. Like, they solve the problem perfectly. Like, you look you can look like whatever you want.

Speaker 1: 01:10:49

That's a good point.

Speaker 2: 01:10:50

Why that more popular?

Speaker 1: 01:10:51

I could just wear one even like, it could be the way I style my hair and then I don't have to style my hair. Just have a wig on. Yeah. That'd save me a lot of time.

Speaker 2: 01:10:58

You just you just put so right now you're wearing a hat because Yeah.

Speaker 1: 01:11:01

You've made it into your hair today.

Speaker 2: 01:11:02

Instead of wearing a hat, you just throw on a wig, you know?

Speaker 1: 01:11:05

That's so funny. Dude, I didn't do my hair today. Just I don't know. It's like, I gotta do my I gotta do my hair, Casey. I'll be right back.

Speaker 1: 01:11:12

I mean, that's I guess no, guess that's what Is weird?

Speaker 2: 01:11:14

I I I'm not I'm not someone that understands this world,

Speaker 1: 01:11:17

Yeah. So I don't know. It's just like it sounds like what my grandma did to her hair. She had like, do up her hair. I I feel like the bald is really good on you.

Speaker 1: 01:11:24

The only thing I would say you could add, have you considered being Jewish? Have you considered like converting to A yomma ka? Judaism. Yeah. Because I think the little cap on your bald head would be amazing.

Speaker 1: 01:11:34

I think they'll look good. Just just give it a whirl.

Speaker 2: 01:11:36

That is

Speaker 1: 01:11:37

that is I really

Speaker 2: 01:11:39

never have thought of that.

Speaker 1: 01:11:40

Try one on. You got the beard and everything. Just try one on. If you like it, you can always just do the the Jewish thing. You can become can you become Jewish or is it only if you're born in a certain I don't know.

Speaker 2: 01:11:49

No. You can you can convert but I have too many Palestinian friends, so I don't

Speaker 1: 01:11:53

know if I could actually do that.

Speaker 2: 01:11:55

Also, our coffee supplier is a Palestinian,

Speaker 1: 01:11:57

so Interesting. I hope I didn't just offend people. I feel like there's certain things if I just say certain words, I'm like not sure. I'm so uncultured that I just don't even know. So I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 01:12:05

I love all people. All

Speaker 2: 01:12:06

people are great. Was mostly kidding. I do wonder what it looked like with a Yamaka. I I see why you're saying that because it looks like it would just perfectly fit, like, right there.

Speaker 1: 01:12:14

I think I think it looks best on bald people. I think some people you don't have to be bald to wear Yamaka. Right? It's not just bald people. Okay.

Speaker 1: 01:12:22

I'm gonna stop offending people.

Speaker 2: 01:12:23

Well, I I was gonna say something that was maybe the most offensive of everything

Speaker 1: 01:12:26

you said. Maybe maybe it was not.

Speaker 2: 01:12:29

I'm I'm I'm gonna say

Speaker 1: 01:12:30

it. I'm gonna say it. Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2: 01:12:31

It's just a theory. It's not it's not real. It's just a Yeah. Funny observation. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:12:36

People go bald, they have they get that like circle right here. Mhmm. Mhmm. Exactly where the yamaka goes.

Speaker 1: 01:12:42

You think that's what they they invented the yamaka for?

Speaker 2: 01:12:44

Like, that is quite convenient,

Speaker 1: 01:12:46

you know. That's interesting. Interesting theory. I I have a theory.

Speaker 2: 01:12:51

This what do call it? The the solar panel? They call it they call it something like that.

Speaker 1: 01:12:55

That's what they like, when you have a bald spot right there, they call it the solar panel.

Speaker 2: 01:12:58

Call that they call it something. Oh, the horseshoe or something? I don't know.

Speaker 1: 01:13:02

But I feel like we've offended so many groups of people on this episode. Bald people. I mean

Speaker 2: 01:13:06

That's good. As long as we offend everyone.

Speaker 1: 01:13:08

Okay. Everyone? Okay.

Speaker 2: 01:13:09

You seem targeted.

Speaker 1: 01:13:10

Yeah. So everyone, like, on the political spectrum, like, you're on the right or the left, you should all be offended. Feel bad.

Speaker 2: 01:13:17

Vote for Trump, you're an idiot. You vote for Kamala, you're an idiot. Yep. Didn't vote, you're an idiot.

Speaker 1: 01:13:20

Yeah. How could you not vote, you loser? Okay. I think my boys got extra screen time. You're welcome, podcast listeners.

Speaker 2: 01:13:29

They should just listen to episodes of our podcast while we record this.

Speaker 1: 01:13:33

Do you want know what they watch? Well, actually I'm blanking. It's like every combination of two animals. It's like shark dog and like tiger boy. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 01:13:43

It's like so many how many shows It's funny. You remember when we were kids and we watched like Saturday morning cartoons and it was like Power Rangers or this other thing.

Speaker 2: 01:13:51

This was talking about this other day. There's so many shows that I watched and I found like, I didn't like the aesthetics, like, it made me uncomfortable Yeah.

Speaker 1: 01:13:57

But I

Speaker 2: 01:13:57

watched because it was the only thing Yeah. That was

Speaker 1: 01:14:00

We had learn a little perseverance. Yeah. Now, kids have hundreds of different shows they could watch. It's insane. Netflix just cranks out the cartoons.

Speaker 1: 01:14:08

I feel like they can make them even easier than like

Speaker 2: 01:14:10

They're so easy.

Speaker 1: 01:14:10

Live action stuff. Yeah. There's so much stuff on there, it overwhelms me. I mean, I feel that way about normal Netflix, just like spending fifteen minutes at the beginning. It's like, what are we gonna watch?

Speaker 1: 01:14:20

And you just never feel good about it. There's something there. Figure that out. I don't know. I feel like they could figure that out.

Speaker 2: 01:14:25

Sometimes instead of watching, we'll just spend an hour browsing, like intentionally. Like sometimes I'm browsing.

Speaker 1: 01:14:30

Yeah. Browsy.

Speaker 2: 01:14:31

And we'll just we'll just like go through each thing and look at it and just make funny comments. And we'll spend an hour Yeah. And then we'll go to sleep.

Speaker 1: 01:14:37

Yeah. I mean Having watched it. It is a form of entertainment. They do the little preview even, like, they start playing stuff. You can kinda get a

Speaker 2: 01:14:43

little Yeah.

Speaker 1: 01:14:44

Taste of a lot of stuff. Yeah. Alright.

Speaker 2: 01:14:47

Okay.

Speaker 1: 01:14:48

Cool. I I don't know. I think I forgot that we don't know how to end episodes. So I can hear my child screaming, I'm gonna go. Okay.

Speaker 1: 01:14:55

Bye.