Adam: 00:00

I feel like a truck driver, like, putting in an extra long haul today. Like, the union's gonna call about our hours. Like, we gotta take a break at some point.

Dax: 00:10

You get paid for overtime.

Adam: 00:12

Yeah. That so this has been a week since they heard the last one and they have no context anymore. They're like, what are they what are they even talking about? Just as a reminder.

Dax: 00:19

I was thinking we just start completely fresh with a new topic.

Adam: 00:23

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah.

Adam: 00:24

Let's do that. I don't think I'm coming back to Twitter. And it's not like I'm going to Mastodon. I'm not those people. I just literally haven't cared about Twitter for months now and I don't think it's gonna come back.

Adam: 01:01

I don't think I'm gonna like regain that feeling. I mean, I used to be like addicted to like checking Twitter multiple times a day. And now I go days without looking at it and I don't even think about it. Like, I it doesn't when I do open Twitter, I scroll for like thirty seconds and I'm like, I there's nothing here I care to see. And that's no offense to you or anybody else on Twitter, But it's just the same stuff that like, I'm not even drawn to like technical discussion anymore or like dev stuff.

Adam: 01:28

There's just nothing that could be said on Twitter that I'd be like excited to open the app for.

Dax: 01:33

Yeah. I've also am like shifting my relationship with it too. I and I talked about this a while ago but I was like, I wish Twitter had a write only mode and like trying to like because to me, it's still like a very useful thing of trying to exercise like ideas I have and to like write them. So I'm like, I never wanna give that part up. But I like don't really need to be reading.

Dax: 01:55

Yeah. It's like I just don't I just don't want to.

Adam: 01:57

And and like the hanging out thing, used to feel like, well, I'm really just here hanging out with everybody, but I feel like I do that elsewhere now. Like, we've got Discord, we got Slack or whatever. I mean, I don't do that much either, but there is kind of like lots of other ways to stay connected with people I want to stay connected to and I just I don't know. I don't know if Twitter is it for me. Like the memes, nothing really hits the same.

Adam: 02:19

It's just not the same anymore.

Dax: 02:20

Magic is gone for you.

Adam: 02:22

It's not that Twitter changed. I just changed.

Dax: 02:24

Yeah. I I mean, it's funny because I feel like I've had this with a few things now and they've all eventually like had a peak. So I kinda knew this isn't like an infinite thing, it doesn't always feel the same.

Adam: 02:36

As I'm reflecting, it's like it was like two years. I was on Twitter actively for like two that's like really not very long. I got I know. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but like it feels like, wow, I can't believe I'm not really gonna be active on Twitter.

Adam: 02:49

But like, it's kind of a blip on the timeline when you think about it.

Dax: 02:52

That's true.

Adam: 02:53

It just feels like it was longer. I don't know. Feels like I was Yeah. I mean, I've had an account forever.

Dax: 02:57

But you can't remember anything before.

Adam: 02:59

Yeah. You're right. That that's everything in life. I mean, high school. Remember how long it felt like you were in high school and when you think about four years now, like, how miniscule that is in your whole life?

Dax: 03:09

That's true. Yeah.

Adam: 03:10

It's kinda wild.

Dax: 03:11

I I just can't I just can't get the thought of my out of my head that it took us twelve years to learn basic math. I saw that before but just like, it's so mind blowing to me. I'm like, twelve years? Like, that's as long as I've been professionally programming. I've learned all of everything I know in that time.

Adam: 03:26

It is kind of crazy. I mean, the whole school thing, like just how much time now that I have a child in a school system, not at home homeschooling. Like how much time is spent educating our kids? And then like ultimately, yeah, when you boil it down, you you said math, like, is that the main thing? Is it basically like just so they can understand some math?

Adam: 03:52

Is there anything else we really hope kids Yeah.

Dax: 03:53

I'd learn to read and write for sure.

Adam: 03:55

That's Read and write.

Dax: 03:56

That's useful.

Adam: 03:57

I mean, yeah. Though the the the

Dax: 04:00

Not physically right.

Adam: 04:01

Well, that's what was gonna say. My son reads books like a machine. He's read all the first because we we like limited to the first three Harry Platters, I think, age wise. Cause we read some guides that were like, don't read the fourth one until they're whatever years old. He's read them all at least three times.

Dax: 04:17

The third one's the scariest.

Adam: 04:19

The Prisoner of Azkaban? Is that black? Serious black?

Dax: 04:23

Okay. Actually, no, hang on. As a kid, I liked the third one the best because Voldemort was not involved and I was super afraid of Voldemort as

Adam: 04:29

a Yeah.

Dax: 04:30

As a child. Yeah. Yeah. But the third one has like, I don't know.

Adam: 04:34

Is that Serious Black one? Because he ends up being like a good guy and I feel like that makes it less scary.

Dax: 04:38

Well, spoiler alert.

Adam: 04:40

Oh, sorry.

Dax: 04:40

Yeah. For anyone who doesn't know that

Adam: 04:42

For all the nine year olds that listen to us.

Dax: 04:43

The Dementors kiss and stuff is like really twisted. It's like worse than killing someone, you know. That's interesting. Maybe not to a kid.

Adam: 04:50

Yeah. Maybe not. I don't know. He's read them all like at least three

Dax: 04:52

times. The second one scared me the most. The second one really scared me.

Adam: 04:56

I don't Okay. I've never read the books. I gotta come out. Oh, I've only watched the movies. When you said Demetrius Kiss, I don't even know what that is.

Adam: 05:01

The second one is the the chamber

Dax: 05:03

of secrets where all the kids are like, everyone in the school is like getting frozen or petrified

Adam: 05:10

or whatever. Oh, yeah. Right. I mean, from the movies

Dax: 05:12

yeah. Right.

Adam: 05:13

It's like really like

Dax: 05:13

it's like extremely like like racial, basically. You know, they're they're like killing all the non pure blood people.

Adam: 05:22

Oh, the Muggles. Yeah.

Dax: 05:23

The Muggles. Is that okay to say that

Adam: 05:25

on okay. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. You read, Dax.

Adam: 05:30

You're very well read. It's very impressive.

Dax: 05:32

Yes. Because I've read Harry Potter like the millions and millions of other people my age.

Adam: 05:37

That JK Rowling, she she knew what she was doing. The writing thing though. So my son, big reader, reads a lot, cannot stand writing. He hates it. Like, hates physically writing things out and he's kind of like perfectionist about it.

Adam: 05:52

And the the like in school, he has to like get a little extra help with writing. And it's like, for what? What are we doing here? That is not a skill you're gonna need in life. If you can spell and type, why learn to write?

Adam: 06:05

I don't write with my hands ever.

Dax: 06:07

Yeah. I don't either.

Adam: 06:08

Do you agree with this? I but a lot of

Dax: 06:10

people still do. My like, Liz writes all the time.

Adam: 06:13

Okay. So there's like some people get joy from physically writing?

Dax: 06:16

No. And just like some people are like note takers that like process things that way.

Adam: 06:22

So you maintain important to learn in school?

Dax: 06:25

I don't I don't know. I think with some of this it's just the classic thing of like, it doesn't seem to make sense but just throwing everything out, you might like just miss some value of something. So

Adam: 06:39

It's a well roundedness.

Dax: 06:40

I don't think we need to go and do cursive like me growing up, like, we spend a lot of time like learning

Adam: 06:45

got rid of that, didn't we? And get

Dax: 06:46

rid of that. But like, know, being able to write somewhat with your hands probably useful.

Adam: 06:51

There's a there's a good amount of time you have to learn some stuff every day at school. Writing maybe makes the top whatever five top five, so it's like might as well do it. It's not that we're trying to kill time. I actually have a a newfound respect. I I gotta go back to an old episode where I was like, public school's dumb.

Adam: 07:08

Anybody putting their kid in public school is terrible and blah blah blah. I said a bunch of harsh things, and I shouldn't have said those things. Now that I have a kid in school, I have a newfound perspective. He loves going to school. He loves the structure.

Adam: 07:22

Like, the our family loves the schedule. Like, as much as we thought it'd be hard to have like a thirty minute commute to school and like two trips a day to Springfield, like, it it was just felt like this could be a lot. Everybody loves it. It's like this whole part of the day and it's like it brings this this structure, this schedule to our day that we didn't have. So he he says school is a nine and nine hundred and ninety nine thousandths out of 10.

Adam: 07:47

Like, he's been team school ever since we put him in school. Yeah. So I have this newfound respect for like, it's okay that he spends a lot of hours out of the home and that he's thriving in that environment. But then I think like they don't really need that much time to learn what's probably important that they learn. I I still feel like there's a lot of fluff in a school schedule and that's okay.

Adam: 08:14

But like, when we pull it down, what you know, at the end of his schooling, what do we really care about? Like, I don't care if he memorizes, you know, all the world's wars and like the battles. And like this there's stuff that we learned growing up that's like, why? I just I can Google anything I need to know on that front. Like, if it's facts and trivia, like, I just don't need my kids learning that stuff.

Adam: 08:36

So what is important? We've had this conversation a lot, me and my wife. Like, what is important? We care about him learning math. That seems important.

Adam: 08:44

Yeah. I don't know. It's a it's only a few things. We want him to be curious. We want him to like maybe this is like this the the modern stereotypical parent answer.

Adam: 08:53

We want him to like pursue his own interests and have that kind of like agency in life. That's what we hope he gets out of schooling. And I think this school's pretty good. I think like he's gonna get some of that. I don't know.

Adam: 09:06

Do you have thoughts on it? Is there a vacuum cleaner? What's going on in your house right now? Zuko like destroying There's

Dax: 09:10

a vacuum cleaner destroying something. Yeah. Doesn't I bother me, I just wondered. We had like an extra bed of his in here and it's crazy how much echo reduction it was providing because I because we our cat peed on it and so we threw it out. Oh, yeah.

Dax: 09:27

Or Angie pooped on it also. She was very upset Okay. Once we

Adam: 09:30

That's some spite right there.

Dax: 09:34

Yeah. So I've I've talked to Liz about this topic because I'm like, okay, if you like drill it down, it's

Adam: 09:39

like

Dax: 09:39

rewrite and all the way up to, like, right before you learn calculus. I think that's like stuff that very practical. Yeah. She had this other perspective which is kind of interesting, which is if you step back and you think about, like, you are The United States, you're trying to, like, establish a culture and, like, you want your citizens to care about x y z things.

Adam: 10:03

Mhmm.

Dax: 10:03

I think that's where some of the more, like, fluffy feeling stuff can fall into, like, learning history or like reading some of those like I hated a lot of the assigned reading that we had. I loved reading but I hated the assigned reading. Mhmm. There are like certain values and dynamics that it's just good to know that like, okay, all citizens of The US have like at least been exposed to some of these things. Yeah.

Dax: 10:28

Don't know what exactly those things will be but I think it's easy to not factor like, that is a part of school, like, you wanna just make sure that people in this country have, like, been exposed to similar things or understand understand some more context.

Adam: 10:41

Yeah. I guess I get that.

Dax: 10:43

But, yeah, I don't know what those things would be, but I would imagine if you're trying to, like, think about, like, what makes a great United States citizen, like you would probably come up with more abstract things to spend Okay. Time

Adam: 10:55

So there's just a bit of like just preparing you for society to like be a member of this society. There's certain contexts and cultural things that you could get out of school that aren't just like, what is the most optimal education?

Dax: 11:09

Yeah. Yeah. Like it's I mean, I I bring up Avatar a lot but like there's a lot of stuff in that show that I think is like critical

Adam: 11:17

To move your education. Wanna make sure I have the right thing.

Dax: 11:21

No. No. Avatar is a TV show? The movie. There's another thing called Avatar

Adam: 11:26

totally different thing? It's funny when you said Avatar, you talk about it a lot. I don't remember you ever talking about it. But that doesn't mean you've never talked about it. I just don't remember.

Adam: 11:33

So what is Avatar?

Dax: 11:34

I thought we talked about a lot.

Adam: 11:35

So is Zuko's name is from that or

Dax: 11:38

what's it called? Airbender.

Adam: 11:40

Airbender. The That's Avatar?

Dax: 11:42

Avatar, the last airbender. Yeah.

Adam: 11:44

It's a full name of the show. Okay. I didn't remember that it was Avatar. I'm thinking like James Cameron, big blue people. That's what when you said Avatar, that's what I thought.

Adam: 11:51

Okay.

Dax: 11:52

But in that show, there's like a war going on and you see all these really interesting dynamics that can pop up under a situation where the war is going on that teach you about human nature and like the flaws in it, like flaw thinking, the complexity behind certain things. So I don't necessarily think that the average education, the education we had when we learned history that it was like taught in a way where that's what we got out of it. I think maybe it like boiled down to stupid like facts about the war. But I would imagine the reason you generally would want to learn about stuff like wars is to like understand those things. I mean, the thing that I always imagine is or imagine remember early on in that show is a situation where there's a town being oppressed by the invading force and the main characters help out one of the oppressed people.

Dax: 12:44

And it's telling the way they help them out is technically illegal. And the oppressed person turns them in. Oh. So just understand those dynamics and thinking about like, is that person bad? Because they just like screw people that help them.

Dax: 12:57

But then you realize like under these scenarios, like people kind of do these things that, you know, seem bad just because the situation is so

Adam: 13:05

crazy. Yeah.

Dax: 13:06

So kind of understanding things like that I think is a good education. Like I said, I don't necessarily know if schools like do that with history but I can see how you could.

Adam: 13:16

Yeah. Okay. I'll stop dismissing things. That's my nature. It's to just like dismiss whole categories of things.

Adam: 13:22

History, social studies don't need it. Get out of here.

Dax: 13:26

Yeah. I was so just pivot topics. I I was looking at some of the stuff that happened in the past couple of weeks in tech at least. And there have been a few things. Mhmm.

Dax: 13:38

There's a new JavaScript framework

Adam: 13:40

you kidding there actually is?

Dax: 13:43

It's actually built on top of zero?

Adam: 13:45

I'm sorry. Back up.

Dax: 13:47

It's called It's

Adam: 13:48

called it's built on top of zero. What was zero? And is it void zero

Dax: 13:53

related? Replicash's new Oh,

Adam: 13:55

replicash. Right. Okay.

Dax: 13:57

Yeah. Which I've been playing with for the

Adam: 13:59

past No relation to void zero.

Dax: 14:01

No. No relation to void zero.

Adam: 14:03

Okay. Or v zero. Or v zero. Oh, jeez. That's another one.

Adam: 14:08

What what is that? Is that a Vercel thing? That's the product.

Dax: 14:11

Yeah. That's their

Adam: 14:11

AI thing. Yeah. Is that like a big bet of theirs? We gotta circle back to that. No.

Adam: 14:16

Not not yet. But one is a new JavaScript framework built on top of zero. So it's actually good. Replicash zero good.

Dax: 14:25

Yeah.

Adam: 14:26

This new framework also built by the Replicash people or someone

Dax: 14:29

This is this is built by Nate. So if you know Tom Agui, it's like this CSS library. But the thing with one is he he really focused on building a sync. Like, how far can you push the idea of single code base that works on native and web?

Adam: 14:42

Okay.

Dax: 14:43

All the way down to starting? Like, working across YouTube?

Adam: 14:46

Or not care. It's hard for me to be excited about these ideas having spent the last few months Yeah. Know. In this world. I hate this world.

Dax: 14:55

But I mean, this this is a React Native side of it, which I don't think well, I guess you technically you have a React Native wrapped WebView. Right? Mhmm. Yes. But it it does look pretty good and because it uses zero, you have like like your data just just across all your devices.

Dax: 15:14

Like, I can see how for a certain type of product this is gonna give a really good experience.

Adam: 15:18

Okay.

Dax: 15:19

But that was like making some ways. But think the more for me, at least the more interesting part there is the Xero part which yeah. I'm still really excited about. I've been playing with it for the past two weeks.

Adam: 15:30

What's what's the first thing you're gonna like put out there built with it?

Dax: 15:33

Oh, Radiant. Oh, Radiant. Nice. Yeah. So we're we've been working on like switching Radiant from replicash to zero.

Dax: 15:41

Mhmm.

Adam: 15:41

Is that our top source? Know I've seen the repo but Okay. Is

Dax: 15:44

No. It will be soon once we like make that shift. Yeah. And and Zero's like officially allowed to be public. But it's gonna be really cool.

Dax: 15:52

I think that my long term bet, not bet, but like the long term bet, not mine, just like the way I understand a bet is I can see how zero just becomes like a standard part of architecture. It's like you have an application server, you have a database. Historically, you had a cache, but now maybe the cache gets replaced with zero. So people will start to think of it on the same level as Redis. Yeah.

Dax: 16:16

And cloud providers offer like AWS managed zero, like a native version for it.

Adam: 16:22

Okay. Yeah. Like AppSync, but good. Sorry.

Dax: 16:25

Yeah. Exactly. Like like kind of like AppSync, good. Yeah. So I'm pretty excited and it's it's looking really good.

Dax: 16:33

I obviously love that too.

Adam: 16:34

I the ideas that this Mhmm. Brings into like, I love the idea of not having to build like individual endpoints for my API and to just have this thing that I can build on top of kind of front end first, local first, whatever it's called. I don't know. I love the idea.

Dax: 16:54

The the thing that it's it's revealing to me, it's actually pretty funny. It makes React nice. Like, I'm using it and with Solid and I'm just like,

Adam: 17:08

Oh, React a little more.

Dax: 17:11

So I'm understanding historically what has happened. React does not have good state management in it.

Adam: 17:17

What are you talking about?

Dax: 17:18

You compare Redux.

Adam: 17:20

Redux is amazing. No, I'm just kidding.

Dax: 17:23

It does everything native and there's like a clusterfuck of, you know, ways to do state management.

Adam: 17:27

Uh-huh.

Dax: 17:28

So whenever you compared React to Solid, you were actually comparing React compared to Solid plus state management. Solid has a management built in.

Adam: 17:37

A really

Dax: 17:37

good state management built in. So the gap was massive. But now you add in, zero and zero is like the best state management that's ever existed because it's very queryable, syncs to your server, like syncs to it's like totally solved the whole question of state. So now if you're comparing React plus zero to Solid plus zero, the gap starts to feel a lot narrower. So I'll probably still continue to use Solid, but it's like the front end has become so stupid now.

Dax: 18:12

Like, all it just like it really just comes out of styling. Zero plus any front end framework, all you're spending your time on is CSS, which sounds like hell, but it just means all this other stuff went away and that's all you

Adam: 18:23

You need

Dax: 18:23

to Tailwind? Focus

Adam: 18:24

I I know you meant Tail wind there. You said CSS. It's okay.

Dax: 18:27

I thought Tailwind was CSS.

Adam: 18:29

Yeah. Basically.

Dax: 18:31

It's been interesting. Yeah. Front end becomes really, really stupid. It's like a really, really dumb effort now with something like So

Adam: 18:37

are there actually, like, things Solid doesn't do very well with the local first or the the like zero framework approach? Is there something that React has advantages of? I I'm struggling to even say a sentence. You know what I'm trying to get

Dax: 18:54

Yeah. Yeah. I would say technically, yes. I think the idea with React is it diffs your UI. The idea with Solid is it diffs your data.

Dax: 19:03

Diffing your UI inefficient, like all this stuff, but it does it is simpler in the sense that, like, you're never gonna be diffing too much data or, like, it's it's kinda hard to explain, but the React integration with, rep with Xero was a lot simpler and is a lot more straightforward and it kind of avoids all these problems. The solid integration with Replicash with Xero, again, sorry, with Xero is gonna be a lot more complicated. It's gonna be technically better, but it just doesn't feel as, like, a natural fit. Yeah. At in the end, they're both gonna be the same.

Dax: 19:39

I said, it's all one, so they're be technically better performance wise. But there's a complexity to it that just doesn't exist with React. And totally arbitrary. I think this, like, randomly turned out this way. Mhmm.

Dax: 19:49

But, yeah. I mean, either way, I think the point here is I'm finally gonna be able look at front end and be like, this is just my brain can be totally off when I'm working on front end. All the like annoying stuff is gone. Yeah.

Adam: 20:02

That sounds really nice. You know how hard it is to Google for one JavaScript framework? Like and then I was like, oh, well, I'll search for zero. And then it's like everything is just zero JS like bundle sizes and all

Dax: 20:14

1stack.dev.

Adam: 20:16

1stack.dev. Thank you. 1stack.dev. Is there a web page for Xero?

Dax: 20:22

Xero sync.

Adam: 20:23

Xerosync.dev?

Dax: 20:27

Yeah. Oh, okay. Here here's here's a funny here's a funny question I have for you. So Xero, xero.com is owned by Google, I think.

Adam: 20:39

Xero.com? Really?

Dax: 20:40

Yes. And, the people working on Xero would like that domain name one day. Yeah. And they're wondering if we could do them a solid. They said no, they they want them to pay fair market value.

Adam: 20:51

That's what Google says.

Dax: 20:52

Yeah. What do you think fair market value for xero.com is?

Adam: 20:55

4letter.com, I feel like I feel like that's gonna be expensive. At least 6 figures. Right?

Dax: 21:02

What what's your ballpark?

Adam: 21:03

Is it I'm gonna say 2,000,000.

Dax: 21:06

So is that 7 figures?

Adam: 21:07

That's 7 figures. Yeah. I went higher. Yeah. Yeah.

Adam: 21:09

So that's

Dax: 21:10

what I said too. I said 1 to 2,000,000. Yeah. They actually want 500 k for it. And I'm like

Adam: 21:15

Oh, that's not bad.

Dax: 21:15

That that's not bad. For zoo.com, like, that is

Adam: 21:18

That seems like a really good domain. Yeah. I mean, what's Google care? This is like going back to last episode, you know, all that time ago when we recorded last episode. When we talked about the like, how does JK Rowling care at all if they sell more merch at this point?

Adam: 21:35

Like, how does Google who at Google is like, oh, we could sell this domain for $500,000. Google, trillion dollar, multi trillion dollar maybe. I don't know. What are they at now? Like, who cares?

Adam: 21:46

At this point, why aren't they just like, here's the domain. What does it matter? I don't know.

Dax: 21:51

That's what I thought because like because Aaron worked at Google and like, maybe they'll invest in in the company at some point, it's just good in the domain.

Adam: 21:58

But

Dax: 21:58

Yeah. Yeah. They still want

Adam: 22:00

the That's weird. It's just hard for me to imagine I work at Google.

Dax: 22:04

Does big companies does nerds show up? Just a bunch of dorks show up and they're

Adam: 22:09

like Like counting nerds and they're like, we can't just give away property in the house real bad.

Dax: 22:13

Nothing else to focus on besides being like, we technically did this the correct way, you know.

Adam: 22:17

Yeah. I guess so. So That's annoying. Yeah. Yeah.

Adam: 22:22

I I will say the one framework, I I do love the pool ball as a logo. That's that's creative.

Dax: 22:27

I didn't even notice that. Wow. That is clever. Oh, and it rotates? Yeah.

Dax: 22:32

When you hover over it.

Adam: 22:33

Yeah. I know. It I love that it's like a little round mark that they can use as their favicon. It's just one of those things that I think about when I make a website is like, what's the favicon gonna be? They get they nailed it with the little pool ball.

Dax: 22:47

And they got the one NPM package.

Adam: 22:49

Like one, like the word one. So install one? That's that's impressive. Right? NPM packages are a little less impressive because you can just, like, email and be like, hey, I want this.

Adam: 23:01

And if nobody Okay.

Dax: 23:03

On Twitter, somebody was like, oh, I own the zero NPM package. So I tagged Aaron, like, the CEO of the company that makes Mhmm. Zero. And I was like, oh, just sell it to him because, like, this would be really cool if they have the zero package. And in my head, I'm like, I would maybe give it away for free.

Dax: 23:22

It's like not a big deal. Maybe 1 or $2,000.

Adam: 23:26

I think he asked for

Dax: 23:27

he wanted after bringing him down, he wants 50 k. And I'm like, this is so stupid because no you're this is never gonna be liquid ever again. That's the thing with domain names like, there's like a once in a lifetime moment where someone is willing to pay you for

Adam: 23:43

it. Uh-huh.

Dax: 23:44

And if

Adam: 23:44

you don't make

Dax: 23:45

the deal happen, like, who else is gonna show up later?

Adam: 23:48

What what leverage does he Yeah. That's interesting.

Dax: 23:51

It's just it's just a freaking NPM package you're not using, like, come on.

Adam: 23:54

Uh-huh. That's annoying. Is it is it against the, like, rules to sell an NPM package?

Dax: 24:00

I know other other ecosystems are really strict about it because we were trying to get the Python SST thing on whatever Mhmm. Crap Python thing it is. I went Yeah. And read their And, like, they literally don't give you a way to transfer it to someone else. You have to like write to them and explain why and there's like a very narrow set of reasons.

Dax: 24:21

And ours even ours of of someone being like, we're not using this package anymore and this company wants to use a name, that's not a Not valid

Adam: 24:29

a valid one. Wow. What would be a valid one?

Dax: 24:32

Just it's just like maintainer transfer of the same Oh. Project. You can't, like, use it for a new project. Because they're, like, really obsessed with keeping intact, like, the history of the packages and stuff, not not breaking things, which I get, but

Adam: 24:47

I I hate name collision stuff. I just I hate like I hate it because it's like the first thing I think of when I think of a new project, which to my credit, haven't thought of a new thing in a long time. Can we just can we step back and when was the last time I was like, I'm gonna build this?

Dax: 25:04

It's been a while. Your spirit is crushed.

Adam: 25:07

Oh, no.

Dax: 25:08

Totally broken.

Adam: 25:08

Is it? I feel like I have kind of like changed in some ways and I'm trying to figure out what it is. I'm just like kind of cool with like my job and just like doing one thing. Woah. Where did this come from?

Adam: 25:20

I

Dax: 25:21

just to me, my my feeling of it just seemed like you're really busy and I've just been occupying your energy.

Adam: 25:27

Yeah. But like Is it I'm more busy with one thing that I've decided to make the one thing I'm busy with. It's like, normally I even when I'm really busy with something, I still have like ideas and like the drive to build new things. I don't have that right now.

Dax: 25:44

Maybe that one thing is is fulfilling you properly. I don't Yeah.

Adam: 25:48

I mean, I'm enjoying just like working on my thing every day. And also, it's a season of life like with the stuff we've been going through as a family with

Dax: 25:58

Yeah.

Adam: 25:59

Based on school and all that. Maybe I just don't have a lot of extra like energy to wanna put into something.

Dax: 26:05

Yeah. I

Adam: 26:05

don't know. I feel like I've very rarely in my career just had like one thing I was working on. It's always

Dax: 26:12

How been does it feel? Does it feel good?

Adam: 26:14

Yes.

Dax: 26:14

I always imagine it would feel really good.

Adam: 26:17

Like, it's but what's weird to me, like, feels good but it doesn't also like hasn't really like registered

Dax: 26:23

Mhmm. It feels

Adam: 26:24

like weird to me. Yeah. Feels like nothing. It's like it if I didn't notice, then does it really feel good or does it just not feel? Maybe I'm just not feeling right now.

Adam: 26:35

Did you know you always are feeling something? This is what Casey says. I thought like, I'll let you know when I'm feeling something. Because she's like, you don't really share much about your emotions. And I'm like, yeah, I don't really have any.

Adam: 26:46

I'll let you know if I have one. She's like, that's not how it works. You always have emotions.

Dax: 26:50

You should just About thing or like if I'm just I'm like just like feeling an emotion right now?

Adam: 26:54

Any moment, there's some you have some emotional state. Then maybe your emotion is just like contentness or boredom or not worth registering. It's not like you always have extreme emotions. Do you think this is true? Maybe this isn't a fact.

Adam: 27:07

Maybe she maybe she meant it differently. No. I can I

Dax: 27:09

can see that? That make that makes sense. Like,

Adam: 27:13

it's not like an on off thing. It's like a Yeah. See, I thought it was like your default state. It's like it's kind of like when they used to think in physics that there was the void and then like there's places where there is stuff and there's places where there isn't, like the void of space. And then they learned like, no, there's no such thing.

Adam: 27:28

I think I thought it was like the void. It's like the default is you're not feeling anything and then there's little moments of your day where you feel things. And that's the the thing that was shattered Yeah. For me.

Dax: 27:39

Think I think I'd probably agree more with your wife. I don't think I ever felt like I don't feel stuff and then I do feel stuff. To me, I always just felt like Yeah. It's like always going and sometimes it like spikes or like, you know.

Adam: 27:50

It's very encouraging to me because it means at any given time, I can work on thinking about what am I feeling right now? Like, there is some feeling there to like archaeological dig find.

Dax: 28:01

Nice. Nice words usage.

Adam: 28:03

Yeah. I I don't think I have a lot of, like, emotional depth or, I don't know, variety.

Dax: 28:12

You maybe you're just stupid.

Adam: 28:14

Maybe. Just simple. Just simple. Do you ever wonder what it'd like to just be really simple? Like, really unintelligent?

Adam: 28:21

Would life just be so much better? Not that, we're so smart, but like

Dax: 28:25

Liz describes me as very simple.

Adam: 28:27

Describes you as very simple? A very silly boy and very simple.

Dax: 28:31

Yes. She also describes me that way.

Adam: 28:35

But like, you're intelligent. So simple in the way that like I don't know. There's probably something profound about yours yours being simple. But you're not like unintelligent.

Dax: 28:44

No. Yeah, I know. I guess what you're saying is something different.

Adam: 28:49

No. Yeah. Now, I wanna know more about what she means by you being simple. But do you ever think like it'd be nice to just be really like unaware of all the things I'm aware of?

Dax: 28:58

Actually, no. I don't. I actually don't. To me, that feels really tragic.

Adam: 29:01

But you wouldn't know. There's a lot of simple people out there. They don't know that.

Dax: 29:06

I wouldn't know.

Adam: 29:06

Yeah. But like So it wouldn't be tragic.

Dax: 29:08

I I do I do know. So I see like, you know, I do see this like

Adam: 29:13

You more of see the

Dax: 29:14

tragedy. Scale of things. Yeah. And it feels really sad to like, you know, live one life and not understand as much as you can.

Adam: 29:22

But I feel like I'd have a lot less anxiety. I feel like a lot of my anxieties are that I know too much, maybe.

Dax: 29:27

I guess, yeah. I don't really have a lot of anxiety, so I'm not like paying the price of that, I guess.

Adam: 29:32

Interesting. You're just a simple man. What does she mean when she says you're a simple? You're just simple. I think

Dax: 29:36

it's like I'm like really like even keel, like I like just Yeah. I'm kinda like the same every day and I don't really have moods as much or I'm pretty straightforward with like things I want in the physical world, like, you know.

Adam: 29:51

Money.

Dax: 29:52

Yeah. Fame. Money. Cars.

Adam: 29:59

I've got you figured out.

Dax: 30:01

Yeah. I'm just easily contented, think, also.

Adam: 30:04

Easily contented. Interesting.

Dax: 30:06

I have money in cars, apparently.

Adam: 30:07

Yeah. Yeah. The dream house in the dream neighborhood with the white Tesla.

Dax: 30:13

Oh, no.

Adam: 30:13

You're you're a simple man. One of those really modern cube houses. Sorry.

Dax: 30:20

That's basic. That's different than simple.

Adam: 30:22

Those are very Yeah. Different But you see how I got them confused a little bit.

Dax: 30:27

Because you're basic. Yeah.

Adam: 30:28

I am kind of basic. It's interesting.

Dax: 30:31

No. I don't

Adam: 30:31

think two ends of a spectrum.

Dax: 30:33

What else happened this past couple there was another thing I wanted to bring up, but I forgot now.

Adam: 30:38

I have one thing I want to bring up because I got on Twitter just to have something to talk about. I feel like I have nothing to say on this podcast if I don't, like, check Twitter real quick. Looks like Next. Js really going for the look how easy it is to self host Next. Js.

Adam: 30:52

They've got like a whole video series they're doing, I think.

Dax: 30:54

A forty five minute one. Yeah. And they're being really nice to us all of a sudden.

Adam: 30:58

Oh, really? They've just had like a strategy. Can you just oh, to be a fly on the wall. You know they were in a little meeting and they were like, okay. Let's try this.

Adam: 31:05

Let's try being really nice to everybody that's been jerks. And also, let's try to do some videos. Let's make some content. Lee, could you head up making some content on how easy it is to self host next? Maybe we should make it easy too.

Adam: 31:17

I wonder if they said that in the meeting. Like, maybe we should actually make it easy to self host and then make

Dax: 31:22

videos So of I actually don't that's actually not what happened. Some of it, I think is. I think the video series is like very, you know, I can see how it connects to each other. Yeah. But I'm trying to think how much of this I can say because I don't wanna get anyone in trouble.

Dax: 31:37

Someone did finally reach out after all this time.

Adam: 31:41

Interesting. Can I can I guess? I'm not gonna guess. I know who it was. It's not Lee.

Adam: 31:46

It's not I

Dax: 31:47

don't even think it's someone you know. Oh.

Adam: 31:49

I am connected. I know people. I have a guess. Okay. It's the one person I know at Vercel.

Adam: 31:54

I'm not gonna say, but

Dax: 31:55

I I doubt it. Can you can you Message me guess?

Adam: 31:58

Message me the guess. Oh, good. I'm like very skeptical. You're gonna have great me just message Okay. Done.

Adam: 32:05

No. No. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay.

Adam: 32:07

I wonder if anyone could, like, tell what I typed.

Dax: 32:10

No. The number of characters. No relation to us or anyone. Okay. Okay.

Dax: 32:16

And they were like, hey, you know, I think said, I personally think a lot of the stuff that you guys work on, like, makes a lot of sense and, like, all this stuff is difficult. Like, would love to figure out how we can, like, remove all the like, lot the hacks that exist in OpenText. Like, what can we do differently or what can we what can we fix? Yep. And I was like, great.

Dax: 32:36

And I, like, made it clear that, like, our goal is to, like, reduce the scope of OpenText to zero so it just doesn't need to exist anymore. Yeah. Like, even just them talking to us and us, Simon, reverse engineer everything is, like, a 100 x better than the current set of things. Yeah. Yeah.

Dax: 32:50

Just like, clearly, there was no actual problem here besides the fact that like, you had two options. OpenText exists, you can be really upset about it and try to like

Adam: 33:01

Mhmm.

Dax: 33:01

Create a narrative that it's like this evil made up thing. Or you just be like, yeah, thanks for working on this stuff. Great. Thumbs up.

Adam: 33:09

And if they Yeah.

Dax: 33:10

If that's what they did, this would have just been totally fine, which is I think what is happening now. But I think things are in a headed in a pretty good direction now.

Adam: 33:18

Interesting. New story arc Yeah. About the the warm fuzzies between Dax and Vercel. I started to say SST and Vercel, but it's not. It's Dax and Vercel.

Adam: 33:31

Because SST never had a problem with Vercel.

Dax: 33:32

No. In that video, Lee posted, he does mention SST and OpenX.

Adam: 33:36

Oh, nice. Like, in good terms?

Dax: 33:41

Yeah. And he sent me a message about it. It was

Adam: 33:43

all Nice. Look at you guys. We're find something new to talk about if you guys are all just like buddies now.

Dax: 33:49

We're not buddies.

Adam: 33:50

Well, I mean, that was too far but

Dax: 33:52

Not buddies.

Adam: 33:53

You're you're on good terms. You're really trying We're

Dax: 33:56

on good terms.

Adam: 33:57

We're neutral. Okay. You're just trying to mean, it's neutral. Neutral. Oh, sure.

Adam: 34:02

Yeah. Always. Yeah. I guess nobody neither side can be too upset about the hostility that has ensued on Twitter because it's good for both sides. You guys just like There's no such thing as bad attention or something.

Dax: 34:17

No, there is.

Adam: 34:17

No such thing as bad publicity. No? That's not true?

Dax: 34:20

No. I think they lost something.

Adam: 34:21

Oh, okay. They lost the war or the battle, but they're they're

Dax: 34:25

Yes. I think that there was a time when they could literally create any narrative they wanted and they would just post it on Twitter. And that changed. You can see that approach suddenly backfiring every single time they try it. And I think this is a good correction and now they're now a boring company that just makes a boring product and nobody really it's not this like noise energy suck thing that they they were for a very long time.

Dax: 34:50

So to me, I feel like things are now in a good place.

Adam: 34:52

And that's good. That's what you really hated was the amount

Dax: 34:56

of Yeah. It's the only thing I really hated.

Adam: 34:57

Air that was sucked out of the room. Yeah. Nice. Okay.

Dax: 35:00

It required beating them over and over and burning out people so they just stopped posting. Yeah. But I think it yeah. It's just funny how

Adam: 35:10

it's ended up playing out. Well, maybe that's why I'm not on Twitter anymore. Maybe that was the only thing that was keeping me around, is that kind of drama and the fun.

Dax: 35:18

There's still drama that happens. But, you know, yeah, it just feel kind of played out.

Adam: 35:24

Played out. No. I'm not seeing you in New York soon. Right? Is that this month?

Adam: 35:27

No. It's next month. I gotta book my airfare.

Dax: 35:29

Flight.

Adam: 35:30

I'm sorry. No.

Dax: 35:30

I Your flight.

Adam: 35:32

I'm going to. Even even my wife is telling me to book my flight because her mom's gonna come into town while I'm gone, but she wants to wait till I book flights so she knows when to come in. And I don't even know what dates. I think Liz told me. Liz did such a good job of sending all the details and I She

Dax: 35:46

sent you

Adam: 35:47

have not done my part.

Dax: 35:48

Everything. Literally everything. Besides us.

Adam: 35:50

Oh, really? I'm not the only one?

Dax: 35:52

Don't think anyone's booked their flight.

Adam: 35:53

Oh, nice. Whoo. I mean, it is next month to be fair. Like, I don't know if I've ever booked a flight a month in advance.

Dax: 35:59

A month in is a normal amount of time out

Adam: 36:01

of it. I think, like, three weeks is my like, that's when I generally would be like, okay. If I don't do it now, tickets are gonna get expensive and Yeah.

Dax: 36:08

Well, the reason we need everyone to book is so we can calculate what we spend so we know what we have left over so we know how much we can blow on our Airbnb.

Adam: 36:18

Yeah. Where does everybody book flights these days since since Google shut down Google Flights? Oh, Google Flights is not shut down.

Dax: 36:24

Okay. Don't do it really on this podcast. Do it

Adam: 36:26

Oh, okay. I'll do it later. I just started wondering like

Dax: 36:30

What the

Adam: 36:30

price is? I remember yeah. I remember I started to do this and I was like, which airport? Right next to New York, Newark?

Dax: 36:51

Oh, it's even worse than you think. It's so much worse than you think. Ready? You've heard of New York Penn Station, right?

Adam: 36:59

Heard of

Dax: 36:59

New York Penn Station?

Adam: 37:00

I think so, maybe.

Dax: 37:01

It's like one of the main train stations in New York that go to like New Jersey, Philadelphia, Connecticut, like everywhere. New York Penn Station.

Adam: 37:09

New York Penn Station. Got it.

Dax: 37:10

There is a stop in Newark called Newark Penn Station.

Adam: 37:14

No. Why would they

Dax: 37:15

do Do you know how often people get out at the wrong station? They would get out right before they get to New York and they're like,

Adam: 37:22

shit. Just think of the billions in lost productivity from that stupid Every name

Dax: 37:29

single time I'm because people used to have to oh, so we had the other is is it situation. When people would visit us, they'd have to get out at Newark Penn Station and take the path over because the path drops them off right at my apartment.

Adam: 37:38

Oh, no. So you're telling them

Dax: 37:40

to get off at Newark. Get off at Newark. Not New York. It's gonna be confusing. Newark.

Adam: 37:44

Oh, that sucks. And it's

Dax: 37:46

always a stressful thing. Yeah. It's so bad.

Adam: 37:48

So avoidable. So dumb. Newark.

Dax: 37:51

Also, it's doubly stupid because New York itself is not an original name. It's York with the word new in front of it. And they're like, what if we just said it real fast, Newark? Newark. And that's yeah.

Adam: 38:06

Oh, word. That reminds me I wanna get involved in local city government. Not like I wanna run for office or something. Just considering I'm considering going to a town hall or city hall meeting. We got this notice in the

Dax: 38:20

mail. Okay.

Adam: 38:21

I own property in a place where there are

Dax: 38:27

Only large gentleman own property. Yeah.

Adam: 38:28

No. Stop it. There there are like large chunks of agricultural land around my neighborhood because it's in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. I like that.

Adam: 38:40

In fact, two of these chunks are my like kitchen window view and then like the Yeah. Other side of our house.

Dax: 38:49

You gotta preserve the view shed. That's what the it's called preserving the view shed.

Adam: 38:54

Oh, that's that's the Okay. So this is a trope that like, when you're in your upper thirties and you own a home on a lot in a neighborhood, you're like, don't build any more houses. I like my view because that's how I

Dax: 39:06

feel right now. A view shed is a geographic geographical area that's visible from a location, includes all surrounding points that are in line of sight within that location. So we have friends that own a 180 acres in Virginia and they're very restricted on what they can build because they there's laws around preserving the view shed. So that Oh. It's really I

Adam: 39:25

wish we had those laws. Yeah.

Dax: 39:27

That area. So it's very easy to screw it up. Yeah.

Adam: 39:30

Well, there's two big chunks of like thirty and forty acre land that are agricultural right now and they're trying to develop on them. Well, one of them they are developing. They just started cutting down trees. And the view out our kitchen window is completely different. It's just like sky now and it was all trees.

Adam: 39:45

It's so sad. It's like all these, you know, 100 year old oaks, just giant trees, this huge forest, and they're just cutting it all down. And I'm like so upset and I'm like, oh, those trees, they're not gonna be there. I thought they would be there forever. And then it's like, well, I guess I'd, you know, like live in a neighborhood where they did that just twenty years earlier.

Adam: 40:03

So it's like, I can't be mad that they're gonna put more houses in a place where they put houses I so I could live can be mad. It's because preserving the view shed.

Dax: 40:12

I've just I've just realized like when you're young, you're like, what the hell are all these wrong with all these people, these NIMBYs not in my backyard people that are like stopping progress? And then you just witness yourself become a NIMBY.

Adam: 40:23

So you're saying it's okay to be a NIMBY?

Dax: 40:25

I don't know. Like, you you gotta represent your own interests. Right?

Adam: 40:28

Yeah. And we're able to go to this town this meeting and like vote on whether they can plot this other chunk of land as residential. It's this developer that wants to build a whole neighborhood. They wanna like use our little private neighborhood road. It's not private.

Adam: 40:41

It's actually a public road. But like right now, we live in a neighborhood where there's no through traffic. The road that comes in it's the city street.

Dax: 40:46

That changes.

Adam: 40:47

It's gonna change. The street right now just goes into our neighborhood. There's no reason anyone else would be on the street, but they wanna like plug it in and it'll be like, we get traffic from all over the place. It's just like stuff I don't want to happen. So I'm gonna maybe go to the meeting and be like, listen, I would like this to not happen.

Dax: 41:02

No. Yeah. You should.

Adam: 41:02

I don't know what grounds I have to stand on. Like, just don't do it please because it'll make me sad. Like, what what can I say?

Dax: 41:08

You should show up there with a with a bomb vest and be like, I how do wanna blow

Adam: 41:14

thought I was about to get real advice and then you just you went there. Maybe you could come and wear a bonnet. It'd be a little more realistic. I don't know. You're you're brown.

Adam: 41:24

Oh my god. That was so racist. I gotta not say things like that. See. Chris, I'll let you decide my fate.

Adam: 41:31

Might cut

Dax: 41:32

that out. My god.

Adam: 41:35

I'm sorry. Say you're brown all the time. Can say too. Right? No.

Adam: 41:39

No. No.

Dax: 41:40

This is great. I I'm happy that you made that joke. I just don't know what consequences you're gonna pay for it.

Adam: 41:45

I'm gonna pay for it for sure. I mean, if it were like 02/2002, you know, right after 09:11, like, maybe it would've worse. Is it worse later? Maybe it's worse. I don't know.

Adam: 41:56

No.

Dax: 41:56

I I think just explaining this more is making it worse.

Adam: 41:58

Okay. I should stop. Yeah. I'm gonna stop now. I'm getting a cramp, like a muscle cramp and I wonder if it's like anxiety over getting canceled.

Adam: 42:06

I can just feel it. It's happening.

Dax: 42:08

It's fine. You're not on Twitter. Like, if you don't ignore if you just ignore it, it's it's basically not happening. It's true, actually.

Adam: 42:13

I will get no consequence. I will have no consequences. It's the tree in the forest thing. Well, speaking of trees and forests, what do I say? Like, if I go to like, literally, I wanna go to this meeting.

Adam: 42:22

I'm an adult. I'm trying to learn how to be like an adult. You know what I mean? Like adults who are like, I'm going to the city hall meeting. What do you say?

Adam: 42:28

What could I actually say that would be like, not just I think the trees are pretty and I don't want them to go away.

Dax: 42:33

Okay. So this I I have no idea how to play this, but I've been like Mhmm. Secondarily involved in some of this, not like very very loosely. When I lived in New York, there was this extremely convenient, pedestrian footbridge that crossed over the road. Mhmm.

Dax: 42:51

I I could get to it within a minute of my apartment. I would cross it and the subways were on the other side. So very very very convenient. Yeah. It turns out this was a temporary bridge they put in place.

Adam: 43:02

It wasn't a permanent one, even though it's

Dax: 43:04

been around for years. The reason it was temporary was it technically didn't adhere to, like, ADA stuff. Like, it didn't have a ramp, it didn't have an elevator, stuff like that.

Adam: 43:13

Okay.

Dax: 43:14

So they built this crazy expensive new one that was like a block down.

Adam: 43:20

Mhmm.

Dax: 43:20

Way more inconvenient. Way way way way more inconvenient.

Adam: 43:24

For you.

Dax: 43:25

But they committed to doing it for me and they're It for like totally changed like the the way that you would travel around this neighborhood. Like, the Yeah. The dynamics have totally changed. Like, it's

Adam: 43:34

now It become wasn't just a little further away from you. You mean like it was more inconvenient for everybody? Yeah.

Dax: 43:39

For everyone. Yeah. You guys like go through this You have to kind of go through this parking lot. It just wasn't like a great situation.

Adam: 43:46

Mhmm. But they committed to doing it while ago. They spent a bunch of money

Dax: 43:48

on it and they're like, yeah, then we're gonna tear down the old bridge. We were just like, leave the old one also. There was this guy that tried super super super hard to make arguments for it. And it was funny how far he went. He literally sat there and counted the people that crossed, like for a day

Adam: 44:08

Oh, in that bridge?

Dax: 44:09

Yeah. And then he was like he was like, basically 50% of them will go to the new bridge. 50 per the other 50% are probably trying to go north, so they'll, like, go just cross at the intersection on the north side, which is a very busy intersection. It doesn't have a footbridge. So we're gonna see he's claimed we're gonna see an increase in, like, accidents and potentially deaths.

Dax: 44:30

Wow. Yeah. To his per to

Adam: 44:32

to basically being like, you're killing people. Are you okay? If you're cool killing people, then yeah. Go ahead and tear down the bridge, evil person.

Dax: 44:39

Yeah. So he he, like, came with all these, like, crazy, crazy arguments. Ultimately, he lost because just one of those bureaucratic things of like they committed to this plan and if they don't do this, it seems like they wasted millions of dollars on this other Yeah. Thing.

Adam: 44:52

Yeah. And that's what it feels like. It feels like is anyone in history won something like this? Like, could I actually go in there and No.

Dax: 44:59

Change? There has.

Adam: 45:00

Oh, really?

Dax: 45:00

Okay. So when we're in New York, I'm gonna take you guys around this neighborhood. Okay. It's like the the one of the most pleasant places in New York in the world.

Adam: 45:10

Wait, wait, One of the most pleasant places in New York in the world.

Dax: 45:15

I don't understand that's world. Like one

Adam: 45:16

of the Oh, nicest

Dax: 45:17

and in the world. Okay. The world. Yeah, misspoke. Got it.

Dax: 45:19

And the person behind it, Jane Jacobs, wrote a whole book on her whole theory on what makes great neighborhoods. But that was almost that neighborhood was almost destroyed because they were they were gonna build this crazy highway through it. She organized like a ton of just protests and pushed back on it and Mhmm. It worked. And that neighborhood over the next fifty years actually became, again, turned to this like crazy nice thing.

Adam: 45:46

Okay.

Dax: 45:46

So Not only did it work, but you have

Adam: 45:48

to write

Dax: 45:49

Yeah. About it. And now her book is like everywhere.

Adam: 45:52

So I don't feel like I have as much of an argument. Like in my case It's hard to accomplish. Yeah. It's really tough. It's literally just the view.

Adam: 46:00

And there is like a lot of wildlife. So all these woods that they're gonna get rid of, we used to have deer all over the place and I feel like there's nowhere for them to be now. Like, they they would go between those woods and like the wooded areas between our homes. And I feel like when all that's gone, it's like habitat destruction. I just I know these words from being a kid when it's like

Dax: 46:18

You say they're wrecking havoc on they're like coming into your backyard and they're like kicking your children.

Adam: 46:24

Yeah. Just lie about it. Okay.

Dax: 46:26

Yeah. And just see if

Adam: 46:27

they call me on it.

Dax: 46:27

You know. Play dirty. Just come with the most plausible why.

Adam: 46:31

The the air quality kicking children?

Dax: 46:33

You've been you've been monitoring the air quality and it's been like drastically reduced when these trees were Yeah.

Adam: 46:38

Yeah. Just flash like a little like like meter of some sort that I'm holding like It's gone up to 26 parts per million, okay? Listen, this used to be 24.

Dax: 46:50

Realistically, I don't think you or I are gonna be successful at this because I think the only way to be successful is to like be one of those people with like, no shame, but to like an impressive degree. Like, that's if you're fighting like government bureaucracies, I feel like this is

Adam: 47:03

Yeah. You're the people that make a scene. You you like, end up on YouTube because somebody records it. But you get your way, maybe.

Dax: 47:11

It's gotta be really annoying. Gonna be super super super annoying.

Adam: 47:15

Yeah. Can't do that. I don't like conflict. I don't like like

Dax: 47:19

a really embarrassing billboard on your property that faces

Adam: 47:23

Oh, jeez.

Dax: 47:24

Where this new development would be. Something like pornographic and horrible.

Adam: 47:27

Oh, no. Okay. Yeah. I'm not gonna do that. I'll try the bomb thing.

Adam: 47:31

We'll try that.

Dax: 47:31

I'm saying this is what it takes. You're you're you're you're fighting against a developer who's gonna make millions and millions and millions from this.

Adam: 47:37

So Well, it's the Ozark. So

Dax: 47:39

At least a couple millions they're gonna make. Maybe.

Adam: 47:43

Yeah. I don't know.

Dax: 47:43

Like, per house. Right? I'm assuming.

Adam: 47:45

They'll probably make more than anyone selling a domain to Google will, but probably not as much as yeah.

Dax: 47:52

Yeah. I mean, I I have the same I mean, I complain about my neighborhood the same in the same way. The so if you remember my backyard, on the other side is this been this giant empty lot. The whole time I've been here in Miami, it's been a big empty lot. And we looked it up the other day and when it was sold, it was sold with diagrams of like a giant apartment building.

Dax: 48:14

Like

Adam: 48:15

Mhmm. Huge.

Dax: 48:16

And I'm like, is that the plan? Oh, no. Because if that's the plan, there's gonna be huge apartment building just overlooking my backyard. Yeah. Just like looking into your walking around in my underwear all the time.

Dax: 48:27

I mean, you should

Adam: 48:28

probably not do that anyway, but yeah.

Dax: 48:30

No, I don't care about that. I like I'm gonna increase that to like

Adam: 48:33

Oh, yeah. Make it more annoying

Dax: 48:34

for the people that Uh-huh. Yeah. So the only way I stop this is to like play dirty, you

Adam: 48:39

know? Mhmm. Okay.

Dax: 48:40

Kinda like dump radioactive material over the fence into the other side or something.

Adam: 48:47

Let's try the bomb vest thing. I'm telling you, I think

Dax: 48:50

Okay. So here's another thing. Don't know if I told you about this. I'm gonna say it publicly now, which means I probably can never do it because it's incriminating. Next door to me is a more reasonably sized apartment building and they have a good parking lot.

Dax: 49:03

And the parking lot is like basically neighboring my backyard. At some point, they complained that it was too dark in the parking lot and they needed like lights. But for some reason, the response to this was to go crazy overboard and set these gigantic floodlights all that are on all the time. Yeah. And one of them shoots a beam of light like right into these two big double doors in my bedroom that are glass through there into my bedroom.

Dax: 49:33

It doesn't really bother me, like, have blinds and, like, it's not the worst thing, but it's, like, would be better if that wasn't there. We're friends with someone that lives in that building because he brings his dog over sometimes. And he was like, yeah, just wait till it's dark and take a BB gun and shoot out the thing.

Adam: 49:50

Oh, you're saying you haven't done it? It would be

Dax: 49:52

so yeah. It would be so easy because, like, there's a gap in my fence where I can just go pro and Wow. Just shoot shoot it.

Adam: 50:00

I wish you would and film it.

Dax: 50:02

It's just one of these things where I'm like, there's no way they're ever gonna replace it. Like, there's no way they're gonna, like, be like, oh. Because there's other lights in the parking lot that, you know, are fine. They don't need this

Adam: 50:14

Yeah. That it's also just kind of like sounds fun. I mean, like a reason to have a BB gun and to use it.

Dax: 50:19

Liz's dad has a BB gun he uses all the time to kill iguanas.

Adam: 50:22

Really?

Dax: 50:22

He shoots them out their trees.

Adam: 50:23

Yeah. Wow. That sounds kind of fun too. Like

Dax: 50:26

just Yeah.

Adam: 50:26

I mean, not killing animals. I'm a vegan. But like the idea of like, the target practice of it, like, getting good at hitting small things with a BB gun. That sounds fun.

Dax: 50:36

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just imagine like this like tactical operation where I'm like really stealthy and

Adam: 50:41

I like Yeah. You're in like a ghillie suit and you're laying in your bushes. Aiming a little BB gun through the fence.

Dax: 50:48

Yeah. Or or like go on the roof of my house. Yeah. Yeah. Go prone.

Dax: 50:52

Yeah.

Adam: 50:53

I wanna go paintballing. Can we go can we like organize a paintballing thing? Because that just sounds so fun. Like, first person paintball can we do like a stream?

Dax: 51:01

And we film it all?

Adam: 51:01

And where we have like all we all have cameras. Did we talked about this? I feel like we've talked about No?

Dax: 51:07

We haven't talked about it.

Adam: 51:08

Was a great idea.

Dax: 51:08

Okay.

Adam: 51:09

A paintball come to the Ozarks. We'll do a paintball, like a JavaScript paintball more and get all the framework authors. But we all have like GoPros and you can see like our gun, so it looks like Goldeneye, like first person video game and we're paintballing each other. Let's do it.

Dax: 51:24

That's a great idea.

Adam: 51:25

That would be so fun.

Dax: 51:26

So in New York, there is a place that we've gone to more than once, which is this you said something. But it is like this crazy warehouse they set up to be like really creepy, like these little tunnels, corridors, and it's really hard to see. It's dark, not lighting. And it's so it's laser tag. It's not paintball.

Dax: 51:47

I think I paintball in another area, it's laser. But the the thing here is they hire, actors to play zombies.

Adam: 51:56

Oh, my word.

Dax: 51:57

Yeah. And so there's different modes. So it's it's gonna be like you against zombies. When you shoot them, like, their shit lights up and they, like, fall down. Yeah.

Dax: 52:02

But this is New York. There are a lot of

Adam: 52:05

They get into Like, they get into it?

Dax: 52:08

Yeah. So we played this version. This was for my friends. My friend got married and we went here for for his, like, you know.

Adam: 52:17

Sounds like a good time.

Dax: 52:18

I mean And so the mode we played was it was two it was like two teams. Right? It's like one you're playing the other team laser tag. The third team is the zombies that are attacking everyone. Okay?

Dax: 52:28

And every round, we were like up the intensity, up it, up it, up it, up it, up it. By the

Adam: 52:32

You were end telling them to.

Dax: 52:33

Yeah. Yeah. They were just grabbing us and just slamming us against the wall and stuff. It was so fun. It was so that's so so fun.

Adam: 52:41

Like you're living a zombie movie.

Dax: 52:42

They make these crazy noises and like it's like really, really intense.

Adam: 52:46

Oh, man.

Dax: 52:47

The thing that's interesting is, I remember the first time we went where it was just like us versus zombies, it was really scary for like the first minute. Yeah. And then something in and what's interesting is it's only happened to some people. Something flipped in everyone's psychopaths. Yeah.

Dax: 53:06

Yeah. So they flipped everyone's brains where it just was not scary at all. And it was just so like, you were just focused on the the mission. Like, the scariness of it just, like, dissipated. You were just, like the adrenaline kicked in and you were

Adam: 53:15

just In like the zone, you were gonna Yeah. Kill the It's like a soldier in battle.

Dax: 53:20

Yeah. So I felt good about that. Was like, okay, if I am in a situation that's stressful, like, it's gonna be scary, but, like, it'll flip and I'll Yeah.

Adam: 53:26

The adrenaline will Yeah. Kick Yeah. What's the first

Dax: 53:29

For some people, it didn't kick in.

Adam: 53:30

Bullet whizzes by. It didn't kick in. They just went panic mode and started hiding.

Dax: 53:35

Yeah. Yeah.

Adam: 53:36

They were kinda, like, behind us the whole time.

Dax: 53:38

Yeah. It's super fun. And there was these funny situations where like, I walked into a room and I saw oh, because the mode where it's you get to zombies, you're also it's also an escape room, but at the same time, you're trying to solve a puzzle. There's like, you have to discover these like clues and find things. Combining those two

Adam: 53:54

things, that's that's fun.

Dax: 53:55

Yeah. I saw my friend like looking in a barrel. I watched him look in a barrel and I like turned around and I was like, trying to see what else was there. But it wasn't my friend. It was a zombie pretending to look in

Adam: 54:03

a barrel. No.

Dax: 54:03

And he like turned around and started to grab me and it was it was pretty

Adam: 54:08

What a cool job.

Dax: 54:08

It's fun.

Adam: 54:09

I'm like

Dax: 54:10

I know.

Adam: 54:10

You're trying to get jobs acting like in a commercial or something and then on the weekends you're like, I'm gonna go be a zombie. I'm gonna put my all into it. Yeah.

Dax: 54:17

And they like don't. They're not like, oh, I hate this. I have to do this because you know, I'm I'm like trying to do be an actor or whatever. But they're like they get super into it. Yeah.

Dax: 54:25

Yeah. They they have to make sure everyone has a great time. Yeah. So that with a GoPro.

Adam: 54:31

Oh, yeah.

Dax: 54:32

Okay. Could be pretty fun.

Adam: 54:33

Let's do it. Okay. I gotta pee. Oh, wait. We just gotta be done because I gotta pee.

Adam: 54:36

It just happens. I'm sorry. Bingo. Somebody just got Alright. See you.

Adam: 54:43

See you.