Being Weird About 100 Eps, Crowdstrike Bugs, and Chris Joins Us with Clips
I maybe I'm I'm gonna say a little, like, intro for Chris to cut to, like, bring Chris on so it's not just me mumbling and looking at my phone trying to find him. Is that should I do that? Mhmm. Okay. So, Chris, you can cut out.
Adam:I'm not gonna say
Adam:it that much.
Adam:There we go. Episode 100. It's not like we've done this a 100 times before, Dex. We still do the thing that you do, like, on a Google Hangout where it's like, hang on. Can you hear me?
Adam:Can are
Dax:we good?
Adam:It's like every single call, it will never stop.
Dax:Yeah. Is, is Chris joining us, or is it gonna be just us?
Adam:I figured we start sorry. I forgot to tell you this. I told Chris this. I figured we start just, like, with us talking through some stuff and then bring him on to do all the naval gazing after.
Dax:Nice. Okay.
Adam:We'll just make this one short. Short and sweet. Let's talk, Cloudstrike because, I don't know. This is episode 100.
Dax:Strike. I made the same mistake earlier.
Adam:Did I say the wrong thing? What did I say?
Dax:You said Cloudstrike, which I also put in a tweet this morning. What is it? Crowd Crowdstrike.
Adam:Cloudstrike. Okay.
Dax:Yes. Because they've they've struck the crowd for sure.
Adam:They have struck the crowd. Wow. This one's fun, in the way that, like, chaos is fun. Do you get, like, really excited when something really chaotic happens? Because I do.
Dax:It feels yeah. Well, one, it's fun in that it is so universal. Like, we're all affected by the same thing together and have the same experience. That's always fun, kinda like how COVID Yeah. Was chaotic in the same way.
Adam:Yeah. I shouldn't be smiling. Yeah. COVID was very serious, and it's very bad or something. But, yeah, there's something about shared chaos that's just very enjoyable.
Adam:I do have to get on a plane on Monday, so I hope maybe this all clears up by Monday. I don't know.
Dax:I don't know, man. It's like the computers are down, as in they won't even boot, which means any auto update process can't happen even though they, quote unquote, fix it. You have our computers that weren't like, that didn't go down. So if the computer is down, you gotta boot into safe mode and then delete a bunch of files, which has to be done manually on every single computer.
Adam:All these machines all over the world right now. It's just kinda wild.
Adam:Like
Dax:Yeah. I know.
Adam:It seems it something about being where we live, like, on the the very bleeding edge of the web dev, whatever. Like, just being on Twitter and just generally being pretty, like advanced isn't the right word, but far removed from this, like, corporate IT world.
Adam:It Mhmm.
Adam:It just feels so like, oh, wow. This stuff still exists. It's crazy because it's most of the world, but, like, all these people doing, like, traditional IT and the nightmare. Or maybe it's exciting to them too. I don't know.
Adam:If you're, like, an IT staff guy that, like, works at the airport, are you, like, excited right now? Is this, like, every day is so boring, and then finally, it's like, woah, lots to do. This is gonna be good.
Dax:Yeah. I wonder. Because it's also your chance to basically save everything and fix everything. So you can, like, just do nothing for the next year because everyone's like, yeah, you can hear it. I guess IT is really useful.
Dax:But, like, also, like, you just get blamed because people don't really understand what's happening. Yeah. It is weird. I'm just imagining just so one thing, like, at an airport, okay, you got to go presumably, like, they have IT teams. You have to go and update every single physical machine, which is pain in the ass.
Dax:Yeah. But the whole world is so remote now. Like, all the end user laptops that are, like, in people's houses because they're where they they, like, work
Chris:from home.
Dax:Mhmm. And they maybe don't even work anywhere remotely close to tech and, like, having to
Adam:Can you imagine them talking through it on the phone? Like, trying to explain to Sally in accounting that works from home in Wisconsin. Like, okay. We're gonna go into safe mode. Hang on.
Adam:Stop. Are we talking about on my laptop? Like, she's a nightmare. And
Dax:it's all these big companies, these giant companies have internal help desk. It's almost like a it's almost like customer support for inside your company. So you, like, call them like you're calling an external company, and then they walk you through it. And so that's gonna get flooded and probably take forever to get through. But then what about, like, medium sized companies that where it's, like, more chaotic?
Dax:Yeah. I guess it's like I feel it's gonna create weeks of problems. Oh, it's gonna be yeah. Economic prop like, impact is.
Adam:It's gonna be a long tail.
Dax:Of all this.
Adam:I'm hoping, like, flights, they're just such a sensitive thing. I'm hoping, like, the ripple effect settles down over the next few days, selfishly. Because literally, like, Monday, I'm gonna be going into an airport. And if this gets worse and, like, the cascading effect I don't know. Like, It might.
Adam:It might. All the cancellations create this crazy disruption that just obviously snowballs. So I don't know. We'll see. That that that sucks to be I just got back.
Adam:I just was on a flight. Like, I dodged this. There's all these people in Seattle right now at the hero summit that were flying out today. Oh. Oh, sorry, guys.
Dax:That sucks.
Adam:I'm glad
Adam:I left early.
Dax:Planes that went down, few planes that exploded in midair. What? I'm just kidding. Oh, awesome. Yeah.
Dax:It's just it's just so funny because all of these companies are so annoying about security and compliance and, like, like, doing anything at these companies is impossible, and, like, they install antivirus on, like, everything, including, like, serve it's just, like, really crazy how annoying they are about this stuff. But they, like because of their annoyingness, they create this crazy central point of failure, which wouldn't exist otherwise. And it creates this, like, massive thing. So
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:Yeah. It's just it's a it's a classic thing. Like, chasing perfect stability ends up exposing you to, like, a black swan thing. I already saw the lab tweet this morning.
Adam:Oh, really? Yeah.
Dax:I was like, it's a big
Adam:it's a big it's a
Chris:big it's a big
Dax:yeah. It's basically just, like, all his work just codified into, like, a single single thing. Yeah.
Adam:I don't wanna get distracted and look it up. Can you just tell me kinda what he said?
Dax:No. I think he he just it was like a just a quick comment on, like Yeah. It was like the fragility of the hallucination or something. Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. It does make you realize, like, I I feel in my personal life sometimes, like, I've got things that are too house of cards y. Like, it's just all very fragile with my, whatever, my work setup or my
Dax:Yeah. Likewise.
Adam:Just different stuff. Yeah. But then you realize, like, on a global scale, how easy it would be for these kind of events. It's actually surprising they don't happen more often. Like
Adam:Mhmm.
Adam:Just the whole open source meme, like the little the little, like, peg that's holding up the giant stone sculpture. I'm surprised we don't see more, like, negative effects of the realities of open source because the whole world's built on top of it at this point.
Dax:Yeah. It's surprising how competent people are. Like, you know how there's always this is a this is gonna sound really random. There is a lot of fiction content about people piloting giant robots. Right?
Dax:Like, you've seen this before, like Pacific Rim or, like, any of the anime things. And then, like, in these things, you see, like, the robots get hit and damage and stuff. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure if one wire gets removed, like, the whole thing doesn't work. Right? Like, isn't that how Yeah.
Dax:Like, if I remove one thing from my computer, the whole thing doesn't work. So how do you even build something
Adam:like that?
Dax:And I think about, like, data centers and stuff, and it's like, are there really no singular wires that someone could just, like, trip on or, like, pull that just shuts off the whole thing? Like, every single thing is
Adam:Redundant.
Dax:Redundant or, like, you know, like, that cell thing where, like, yeah, maybe stuff entirely goes down, but it's like a small unit in the larger thing. It's it's really wild to imagine stuff like that. And then you compare it to our bodies, which are so different. You can literally lop off someone's arm, and they could be fine.
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:You can have it in a market that, like, doesn't really work properly. And so it's, like, so different than anything technical that we build. It's, like, so much more resilient. Yeah. It makes you realize, like, it's, like, a totally different thing.
Dax:Yeah. Biology is so different.
Adam:I do feel like I mean, I just came from an AWS Hero Summit, so I've I've been drinking the AWS kool aid pretty hard. I do feel like modern cloud stuff has done a good job with redundancy and with resiliency.
Dax:Like It's really amazing.
Adam:It really is. Like, how much I mean, we joke about US east 1 going down, and that can create real issues for businesses, and it does and it has. But largely, the multi region, just the crazy infrastructure that AWS has built at this point, it's pretty resilient for I mean, I'm I'm a big fan. I don't know. I build everything on it, so it's hard for me to have an unbiased opinion.
Adam:But, like, we have these tools in 2024. It feels pretty good.
Dax:Yeah. And it's it's I think it's interesting that the big like, they're able to maintain that despite growing more and more and more. Yeah. Like, you think of any startup that people have worked at experiencing hypergrowth. Like, everything just starts, like, unfastened and, like, loosen and, like, things are really chaotic and kind of broken.
Dax:You might go from really polished customer support experience, like, a much shittier customer support experience because, like, everything's on fire. So, like, they're growing at a pace at a crazy scale, but things are relatively, like, kind of stable for the end user. Like, of course, they're still, like, downtime or whatever, but the scale they're operating at is kind of wild. And you look at some, like, next gen competitors like Fly who have struggled a lot more. Like, they're operating on a much smaller scale, but have had, like, much worse reliability issues and and things like that.
Dax:So, yeah, it is wild that, like, every single day, there's a chance for it to completely go wrong. And, like, on most days, it just doesn't.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, I don't know. This is so far removed from that.
Adam:Like, I mean, this situation is just a reminder that, like, most of the world is operating off cloud, or most of the world's operating on these, like, very traditional IT practices, I guess. I don't know. They might be using cloud stuff. But, like, they all just have big fleets of Windows machines, and Mhmm. They install stuff on it probably in traditional ways, and then stuff can go wrong.
Adam:I guess this situation with CrowdStrike was it was like an over the air update kinda thing. Right? These are connected systems that just got some update that just borked everything. I I've looked at, like, a little bit of the technical details or just kinda understood what's happening, and I thought, like this is actually a tangent. I've considered, like, doing TikTok stuff where I just try to explain because I live in the Ozarks.
Adam:Like, I talk to a lot of nontechnical people. Most everyone I interact with here in the Ozarks is nontechnical.
Adam:And I
Adam:feel like I've developed the ability to to speak to nontechnical people about technical things. And I've thought about, like, doing TikToks where I try to, like, break down events that happen where there's IT stuff or technology developer stuff involved that are in the pop culture and, like, try to explain it. And with this one, I just don't know if there's an interesting thing. Like, this is the first event that's come up since I thought I might do that, where I'm like, hey. The world is thinking about technology.
Adam:I could talk about this. And I'm like, I don't know. Is there really anything interesting to describe to an army? Like, do you just have to get into the weeds?
Dax:I think so. I mean, people might literally think that this is, like, a hack. You know?
Adam:That's true.
Dax:The interesting thing is, like, it's so I can see how if you don't know anything about this world, it feels so like an intentional hack. Because, like, everything is down that it feels like how can everything be down. And it's kinda interesting to learn that it's actually just due to an accident
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:Which is it's wild to imagine that accident can create this big of an impact.
Adam:Hang on. I'm gonna make a TikTok. Be right back.
Dax:Just kidding.
Adam:I I just realized I have funny stories from when I did IT work. Like, I used to work in an office. Before I got my first real programming job, I was doing, like, normal networking and IT stuff, like managing active directory and all this nonsense at, like, a little office with, like, 25 employees. And I joke about Sally in accounting. There really was a lady in accounting that did some of the most hilarious, like, just stories from the IT front lines that you just can you can hardly believe.
Adam:But she one day, she came in and said, that her computer ate her the disc she was trying to put it, like, some kinda CD ROM kinda, like, software disc, but it ate it. And I was like, what do
Dax:you mean what do you mean it
Adam:ate it? Like, she's like, it won't it's not there. Like, it ate it. She had stuck it between the two drives. Like, there's a Nice.
Adam:Gap between so, like, she didn't open the drive and put the disk in. She, like, shoved it through into the computer case. Yeah. So it really did eat it. She's like, they will do any and everything.
Dax:We're able to get it out? Yeah.
Adam:I had
Adam:to, like, open up the case to dig out the CD ROM drive or disc. Oh, man. So people are not smart about computers.
Dax:Well, it's funny because I think we can all relate to that to some degree because I think the underlying thing is you're directly using this thing every day for your work, you have no idea how it's working under the hood at all. That's the most basic degree. And that feels really weird. Like, how can how can you operate like that? Aren't you confused or curious?
Dax:But then you think about being in a big building. You're not like, I understand exactly how this floor is being suspended, you know, a 100 feet off the ground.
Adam:Yeah. You're not thinking about it
Adam:at all.
Dax:You you never even think about it. So that's probably how people feel about computers.
Adam:I mean,
Adam:there's lots of stuff in software that I would say is true like that for me. Like, just things that I just assume they work.
Adam:If
Dax:you go lower level?
Adam:Yeah. And I just don't consider them at all.
Dax:Yeah. But I think you can probably, like, guess how they work or, like, you don't know the technical details. Like, it's
Adam:Yeah.
Dax:Because it things work the same way no matter how what level of stack you're in. It's, like, maybe simpler, but Yeah. Roughly the rules are the same. But, yeah, we just assume that things are gonna work, and it's only the bill building collapses. You know?
Adam:Why am I laughing? Building is collapsing. COVID. You say, like, horrible things, and I'm like, that's
Adam:funny.
Dax:Told you this annoying thing. Do you remember that building collapse in Surfside floor in Miami here?
Adam:No. Do you
Dax:have is it a
Adam:does it Is this recent?
Dax:A couple years ago. It was funny. I was on a plane when it happened going to Miami, flying over it. There's a building by the beach that collapsed. Like, a 100% collapsed.
Dax:It just went down, and a lot of people died. And it was it was pretty horrific. And this has happened a bunch of times in in Miami. There's just, like, a weird dynamic with people cutting corners and the difficulty of building stuff in, like, a very salty environment on the beach and stuff. Things corrode a lot
Adam:faster. Yeah.
Dax:But it was so horrifying that it triggered inspections, like, around the world. Like, literally all these buildings were like, oh, shit. Like, we got to check our stuff. And our apartment in New York, the building was like, okay, we got to do an inspection. They did an inspection.
Dax:And now my monthly bill was my monthly, like, maintenance fee got increased by, like, 2 or $300 because they were like, some of these balconies have, like, a little bit of concrete where some of the concrete, like, maybe could, like, fall on, like, someone walking by. And I was like, goddamn it. Like, now I'm paying more money because of this random building that fell down in Wow. In Miami. So, again, another example of how interconnected everything is.
Adam:Yeah. It's entropy. It's it's, we talked about entropy a little bit last time. Right?
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. It's, The guys don't wanna they don't wanna stay stay together. They wanna
Adam:Yeah. Everything's moving towards
Dax:Fall apart. Chaos.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. It is kind of a wonder that, we don't have more giant events that shake our foundations. I mean, this is, like, one of those kind of things where it's like, I don't we have no idea what the ramifications are gonna be. I feel like the the global GDP impact or whatever is probably insane.
Dax:Yeah. It's wild. Like, if you're at one of these companies, you are not working today.
Adam:Right. And that's, like, so many companies.
Dax:Yeah. I know. Is this
Adam:just a reminder too that Windows has this crazy, like, footprint in the the enterprise or whatever?
Dax:And it's kinda always gonna be there.
Adam:I still just feel like most of that is fake. I just feel like most of the economy is fake. Like, all these people that are sitting around the office, like, laughing about how they got a blue screen and they don't have to work today. I don't know. Are we really gonna notice what they didn't do today?
Adam:Probably not. Geez. Am I am I oversimplifying this?
Dax:No. I think I think that is largely true. It's just that all this, like, security and, like, spyware stuff that these companies install, it's so funny to me because so these the latest M3 MacBook Pro, like, probably the one of the fastest machines you can get that exist, period. You take one of those and put it in a corporate environment and they install other stuff on it, it literally becomes the slowest machine you have ever used. It's crazy how horribly
Adam:intrusive and
Dax:performance impacting these. Yeah. These things are like it. It is impossible to work on this stuff. And,
Adam:you
Dax:know, working on SST, we're, like, so obsessed with feedback loops. Like, we gotta make sure when you change your code, like, stuff is reflected. And, like, if you have to restart something, that really sucks. And, like, we like it's it's, like, such a focus. And then we talk to some of these, like, giant enterprise y companies that are using SSC and they, like, don't even use LiveLambda because they're like that, like, doesn't even make sense for them.
Dax:They're like, oh, no. When we make a change, we just push it to an environment, and someone else, like, checks to see if it works. Yeah. And that's a feedback loop. It's like a several day feedback loop for every coaching.
Dax:There is no, like, local development. It's just like it's it's really wild how different a lot of the world world operates. And for me, I'm just like, if I don't if I can't get a feedback cycle in, like, in under one second, it's, like, unusable.
Adam:Yeah. No. It's it's nuts. I yeah. The tiny team thing, I think, like, the contrast between these giant companies and what I know little tiny teams can do today is also brought to mind.
Adam:Just I mean, like, that situation you just described. I just can't even imagine working in a
Chris:bar at all.
Dax:Working for most of the day. Yeah. Which is kinda awesome if you don't wanna work at all.
Adam:Well, yeah. I guess there's that. Probably a lot
Dax:of that. Yeah. It probably used to suck when you had to be in the office because then you don't have any work to do all day, and you're sitting at your desk being like
Adam:Oh, yeah.
Adam:This is
Dax:so annoying. Yeah.
Adam:What are you even gonna do?
Dax:Home, and you can do whatever you want. And this is like this is like, wow. What what a
Adam:It's like a snow day.
Dax:We've gotten to as a species. Yeah. It's a good snow day every day for them.
Adam:I this at the hero summit, sitting around, like, at a table with a bunch of other heroes talking about their work or consulting or whatever, it was interesting to hear the contrast. Like, so few people work with or on little tiny teams, and it's just the the vast majority of people, they're used to, oh, it's a different person that deploys your infrastructure. It's an ops team or whatever, and you're just a little programmer, and you write the application code. And that's just so foreign to me. It just seems so bizarre that everyone doesn't know.
Adam:It's just better if, like, one person does all of it or, like, 3 people do all of it. I just like, that just seems objectively better to me, and it's very hard to imagine a scenario where, like, I'd want to be in an environment like that.
Dax:And we run this problem at SST because we will never sell, DevOps person because we're literally taking away their job. We're saying, like, stop doing your job and give your responsibility to someone else. So, like, no like bigger companies are very resistant to something like this. It's okay if the only way it can work is if the application developer finds STC on their own and they like start to do stuff and realize they can do this stuff. And at that point it's bottom up and there's really no stopping it.
Dax:But, like, yeah, you're never like, these teams want to the status quo to stay the same. Yeah. Like, you know, that's that's how the jobs are allocated. Yeah. It is really weird.
Adam:But I am reminded that, like, there is a place for giant
Dax:No. There is. Like teams.
Adam:Yeah. Like, SST, you guys, the 3 of you couldn't make AWS. Like, there's just, like No.
Dax:We couldn't.
Adam:There's problems that can't be solved with small teams. And I maybe AWS is really onto something with their little 2 pizza team thing. Like, they do have small teams within the broader organization, so they can all kind of, like
Dax:can be smaller, though. I think every company can be smaller.
Adam:Yeah. Sure.
Dax:I think yeah. And it's funny. And, like, the the counter to this, I think, the small team thing is, there's so much focus on building tools for other SaaS companies, like, other companies, like, building SaaS products. Like Yeah. Almost all the dev tools stuff focuses there, but that's that's, like, a really stupid market in my opinion.
Dax:It's like it's so speculative. Like, most of it doesn't work out. Like, it's being impacted a lot right now with I don't know. It's it's just such a fringe market. And then you think and I look at some of our SC users, like, some of the bigger ones, and they're just, like, not related to SaaS at all.
Dax:Like Yeah. People keep building these SaaS starter kits to build more SaaS, but, like, most of the audience is, like, some random insurance company, some, like, midsize insurance company in the Midwest. Like, they're using SSC to do their infrastructure. And, like, yeah, they're just, like, not in this world at all. And they're tied to, like, a physical real world need that's not going to shift so violently when stuff changes.
Dax:So, yeah, the the money you get from serving those customers is, like, is is, like, much more stable and and and better.
Adam:There's been murmurs of I mean, you've talked about on Twitter, just the the Zirp era, the the long tail effects. It's like this whole dev tool space is sort of like trailing behind, but feels very much like it's all built on a house of cards. It's gonna collapse.
Dax:Yeah. Like, I've got I've got some confirmation that the theory that a lot of these, like, dev tool companies that have raised a bunch of money, it's kind of painfully obvious from the outside that, yeah, they're doing they're just getting, like, casual hobby users. Yeah. And even even if you include those, the numbers don't look that great in terms of adoption. Yeah.
Dax:But you imagine, okay, maybe you're wrong and, like, there's actually is, like, better traction than you'd think, but there isn't. Like, it it is as simple as that. I've gotten some confirmation from a few internal company numbers that they're having a very hard time converting this group because it's very early stage engineers that are, like, at the top of their funnel. They don't not really making a big decision on, like, actually buying this product for a meaningful company. If only 1% of your users actually fall into this monetizable bucket, like, you have to be so so so big to justify all of this, and it just yeah.
Dax:It's it's just not happening.
Adam:Yeah. I I saw someone tweet. It's like a notable we'll we'll say email startup that tweeted, like, their statistics for deliverability and how they beat their competitors, and it just cracks me up because they're literally it's just SES. You're just like
Dax:quoting SES numbers.
Adam:You're quoting the SES deliverability numbers. Like, you don't need to exist, people. Like, all these, like, 3rd layer I I call it 3rd layer. I don't know. It's not actually it's it's made up.
Adam:But, like, this next level of abstraction on top of cloud that just feels so unnecessary to me. It just feels like there's so many startups now that have wrapped a few AWS services, and I used to think that was a good idea. I no longer believe that's a good idea. It just feels like those startups are gonna be the first to go when it all crumbles. I don't know.
Dax:And there's no point anonymizing them if you're gonna say you know, startup built on top of SES. Like, if you're talking about resend, like, everybody
Chris:I am. Okay.
Dax:Everybody knows. What also what was funny about them is they also released, like, their handbook, which is, like, this is how we build companies and think about customers and then whatever. This is like one of the most the biggest signals of, like, oh, this is a first time founder. You start to do these, like, company things where you're like, this is how we build stuff and, you know, this is how we think and this is our philosophy and everything. What's interesting about that stuff is if you hit it out of the park, people are gonna look back on that and be like, wow.
Dax:That's amazing. Like, look at all this stuff and, like, whatever. And if you don't, which you likely won't, it's gonna be really embarrassing because you're like, why were they acting like such a real company when they, like, were not anywhere close to product market fit? Yeah. And I think once you get experience, you're like, okay.
Dax:I wanna make sure that I'm never gonna look back on it and be like, I was such a stupid idiot. Like, I was so naive. Yeah. Because, you know, I I've done stuff like that and, like, do the acting like a company thing.
Adam:Yeah. And I'm a first time fan I feel like I'll never not be a first time founder because I'll probably never have another startup. Like, we've had a startup going for 10 years, but I'm still a first time founder. It's just over 10 years, I guess, you start to, like, learn some things.
Dax:Yeah. See previous versions of yourself, and it's really embarrassing.
Adam:Hey. Could you could you now go into the thing? It's been shelved in my brain. Like, I get stashed it.
Dax:It's funny because, like, we keep it out. There's, like, build up. It was just a stupid comment. Oh, okay. I was gonna say, I kept imagining this hero summit thing of, like and, like, the image I got was, like, all of you, like, around a big round table in some kinda, like, big, like, fancy like, it kind of it was, like, futuristic and modern, but has, like, throwbacks to, like, the Roman Empire.
Dax:So, like, that kinda, like, vibe. Uh-huh. And then I imagine just, like, breaking through the ceiling in, like, a spaceship and being, like, just, like I don't know. Just kinda it's kinda like villain situation where I'm, like, laughing evilly, and I'm like
Adam:it
Adam:had to be a pretty big table. There were a 190 of us. So, I mean
Dax:That is a lot. Wow. So many heroes.
Adam:It was
Adam:a lot. It was surprising to see us in a room. Like, there's a lot of them. Yeah.
Dax:And they all went.
Adam:Yeah. And there's people I know in the heroes program, like, have met at re:Invent, spent time with, enjoy, and didn't even get to see them. We all went to Seattle. They were there. And there's, like, a handful of people I'm like, I didn't even see I'm not gonna say names, but, like, literally just it was that many people, and there's just that little time, I guess.
Adam:That's another topic.
Adam:But
Dax:Oh, you know what they say? If everyone's a hero, no one's a hero.
Adam:It's true. It's true. No heroes. Let's let's, is it time to bring Chris on? I feel like we're we're about to get here an hour.
Adam:Yeah. He's
Dax:ready. Yeah.
Adam:It is episode 100. And I don't know. I've made a big deal, but I'm trying not to be weird and make a big deal of it.
Dax:You're not being weird. It's a big deal.
Adam:Well, I've I've not been weird because I'm holding back. You should have seen, like, things I could have done. Like, this is me being normal. So we're gonna have Chris on just to, I don't actually know what we're gonna do. I've thrown out some ideas.
Adam:And to be honest, he's probably asked me some questions that I didn't answer. But he's gonna come on, and we're gonna do a little, I don't know, episode 100 look back, if you will. While we're waiting for Chris, just a reminder, this episode is brought to you by Terminal Coffee. Go buy coffee, s h terminal dot shop.
Dax:Did you see our tweets from the account this morning?
Adam:Yeah. They're so good. This is so fun. I love having this as a a thing that we do. It's just so funny to watch, like, when you're like, okay, need good ideas.
Adam:Go. And it's just like a 100 good ideas. Chris is here.
Dax:Hello.
Adam:What's up, Chris?
Chris:How much? What's up with you guys?
Dax:Wow. Chris' mic sounds so good.
Adam:Not much. This is this is long overdue. His mic sounds so good that he said
Dax:Professional.
Adam:He's a professional. Yeah. We're not professionals right here.
Chris:Have, $60,000 worth of equipment out of my computer. I have one microphone. This is
Adam:a $3 microphone. That was a little bit about
Chris:10 years ago.
Dax:And you can you can't
Adam:quite see
Chris:it, but, like, junk on the floor, the one Ted Lasso poster, and that's, like, my office is being torn apart right now.
Dax:So Ted Lasso.
Adam:That's awesome. I have so many questions now, like, about Ted Lasso, but I'm not I'm not gonna do that just yet.
Chris:The other podcast? I
Adam:was just telling you I was just telling Dax that I don't actually know what we're gonna pull off here because you probably, like, asked me questions, and I didn't answer them or something. Like, I just kinda threw some stuff at you. Either way, I wanted to have you on if if we do nothing, if we just, like, talk. This is just kind of a moment where you've now edited a 100 episodes of ours.
Adam:Mhmm.
Adam:You've had to listen to us so much, more than any other person, really. There's no way anyone else has listened to every minute.
Chris:Oh, I thought you meant more than any other person in my life that I've listened to.
Adam:Oh, no. No.
Adam:No. No. No. I'm not
Chris:I'm not trying to say that.
Adam:Just that, like, nobody has heard me and Dax talk.
Chris:Well, I was doing the math. I mean yeah. Oh, yeah. What's the math? It's possible.
Chris:It's possible you are. I've listened to you more than I've listened to my wife, but
Adam:I hope not. Oh.
Adam:I'm so sorry.
Chris:At least you pay me to listen
Adam:to it.
Dax:The episodes pretty quickly. Like, what's your process? Do you, like, listen to it on 2 x speed? Like
Chris:Yeah. Generally, like, especially audio only podcasts, it's, like, 2 x and then scrubbing through, obviously, and jumping back and forth. Like, Riverside is either really good or sometimes bad. It's, like, lining things up even though it's, you know, local recordings and all that kind of stuff. And so with your guys' show, it's generally there's, like, the odd noises or cough or whatever that they cut out.
Chris:But generally, it's like shifting things just so that when Adam tells a bad joke and Dax laughs 30 seconds later, it sounds slightly better rather than the awkward delay. Right? So it's fixing that kind of stuff. Or I was collecting some of the clips and just listening to some of the random stuff. Running meta commentary on you guys saying Chris cut this out and then I include it.
Chris:Always. And then I was like, I think we need a safe word where it's like, no, actually, really this
Adam:part has to get it.
Dax:Just just never never
Adam:listen to Adam
Dax:ever about that. Aw.
Adam:What if I'm like,
Adam:I'm gonna get fired if this makes it in the podcast.
Dax:Please. Please don't. How about that? That's a safe word. If
Adam:I say I'm gonna
Dax:get fired. No. But then you're gonna be You mean
Chris:to be fair? Yeah. Because, like, there's clips of you, like, saying you're dying and, like
Adam:It's true. There's been a lot.
Dax:There's been a lot on this podcast.
Chris:Going back, I'd forgotten. It was almost like we need a Back in the old days of podcasts, there used to be fans who'd make Wikipedia pages for podcasts, like they were that hardcore. And there'd be a running tally of how many times Adam has died and then a reference to the time code.
Dax:Sadly, we've lost
Chris:that to the yeah. But, anyways We we need
Dax:AI to do stuff like that. Yeah.
Adam:Now I
Adam:just feel bad that we don't have a Wikipedia page. I really wish we did. So Wikipedia.
Dax:A full on Wikipedia. I think he meant, like, a private Wiki, not like, oh, I see it on maybe one day.
Adam:Maybe. Someday. Another 100 episodes. We'll see.
Chris:Your confidence is always inspiring.
Adam:Like, when I said, in, like, 20 minutes, we could bring you on, and then it was, like, an hour Yeah. Like that. I'm so sorry. I didn't even say, like, Chris is our editor. Chris edits our podcast, and other podcasts.
Adam:Lots of podcasts, actually. If you're doing a podcast, you should
Dax:If you listen to anything in tech, you probably are listening to Yeah.
Adam:You probably listen to his edits.
Dax:Something that Chris's fingers have been on. Sounds creepy.
Adam:Weird way to
Chris:Yeah. Definitely.
Adam:So did did Chris, did you actually like, was there something we were gonna do? Like, did you have you said you you looked through clips. Did you actually find any, or are you even able to play them over the podcast here?
Chris:Well, I mean, you did ask me to do that, so I I did.
Adam:Oh, wow. That's how this works. I
Adam:just I
Chris:do things.
Adam:I don't know. That's funny.
Chris:It's it's a it is a funny dynamic. I was reflecting on this with a friend. This sounds like I'm being, like, passive aggressive, like, you know, complaining, but I was like, Yeah. It was like 8 o'clock my time or whatever. Like 8:30.
Chris:We're still waiting or whatever. And then and I was like, But it is this odd dynamic of like, I'm you're my client. So I can't just be like, Hey, assholes. You said 8 o'clock. I'm not showing up.
Chris:And then you're like, okay. I guess we'll go find a new editor.
Adam:He didn't wanna
Dax:do what we wanted. That's our newest. We have all the power. We yeah. All the leverage.
Chris:It is a funny dynamic I'd experienced a little bit of, but it's yeah.
Adam:Anyways Is a 100 can I just ask you a question while you're trying to figure this out, Chris? Is a 100 episodes a lot? Have we, like, reached an actual milestone? I feel like this is a lot we've done, like, a lot of episodes.
Chris:And it is, like, a a big milestone, and it's definitely, like, it's it's one of those things. I Chris Coyer over on Shopdock show often will be like, it's just kind of fun, like round numbers, whatever
Dax:it means.
Chris:Like, 100, 500, 250. They're just kind of fun milestones, but obviously, it's really meaningless in the big picture.
Adam:I know. It's arbitrary.
Chris:So many podcasts don't make it past 10. So it's kind of like that's the, like, first marker. Like, you've done, you know, whatever the comparison would be to a marathon or I don't know, whatever. I don't exercise. So, I was gonna just come on and make a joke about I've done my, my ice bath and my sauna.
Dax:Yeah. My cold plunge. You okay?
Adam:Yeah.
Adam:I just realized that some of my lights aren't on. You know, that kind of stuff bothers me a lot. Like, a lot.
Dax:But you were, like, looking at a ghost?
Adam:No. I was just noticing all 4 of them are off, and I'm bothered.
Chris:Yeah. Okay. Let's see if this works. Can you you can see.
Adam:Look at this. Doing work.
Chris:It looks don't don't be so impressed. It's not like I did that much. It was just 16 hours of work or whatever. I think Adam said that he's like, you can do 2 hours, and we're paying you $5 a hour. So get it done.
Adam:I'll find someone overseas, Chris. You better, you better figure it out.
Adam:I'm just kidding. That was
Dax:a joke.
Adam:Actually, you are overseas. You're in
Adam:Canada, right?
Dax:I mean, you're
Adam:Overseas. There's no sea. Over the Lake Erie or something. I don't know.
Dax:Man, I'm surrounded by so many Canadians.
Adam:Oh, it's true. They're everywhere.
Chris:In Florida? Oh, yeah. Florida, especially with so many well, it used to be like the that was my grandparents were like, we always go to Florida. That's where we go in the winter. But, it's kind of tapered off a bit.
Chris:Like we started going to Mexico now, I think is the Oh, I see. We've gotten richer. We can afford the flight past.
Dax:It's usually the drive to Florida.
Chris:Or it's cheaper, probably.
Dax:Wait. Where where in Canada?
Chris:I'm in Saskatchewan. It's the province. So, like, the rectangle one right in the middle? Mhmm. Or should I say my city?
Chris:I I can edit it out.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead and edit that out. US.
Dax:Yeah. Would you please cut that out?
Adam:Now you can't. Dox you. Yeah. Sorry.
Adam:Doxed? Oh,
Adam:there really really are a lot of Canadians in tech. Like, I feel like the tech community
Dax:My hope is Canadian.
Chris:Oh, that's actually a ghost is a good segue.
Adam:Ghost is a good segue.
Dax:Creepy, man. Yesterday, Liz went to the bathroom, and then she went back to the bathroom a minute later to get something. And she was like, the toilet seat's up all the way. And there's no way that I would have left it up, so that must have been a ghost.
Adam:Oh my lord. I see it.
Chris:K. It's a ghost update. Any more no.
Adam:Ghost sites.
Dax:But I totally forgot about that. I don't remember that at all. Yeah. It's like
Adam:I don't know.
Dax:I literally have no memory of that outside of listening to that. That is really funny. Yeah. It's really funny. All this stuff because you just, like, have all these memories that you would have found otherwise.
Dax:Yeah. I mean, I I don't think we've seen the ghost again. But still, you know, obviously, Liz could not have left the toilet seat. That could not have been her. It's impossible.
Dax:So it must have been a one time ghost.
Chris:Does your dog, Zuko, does he go into the toilet for water? No.
Adam:No. Can he lift it up with his nose and take a drink?
Dax:No. Our our cats like doing this crazy maneuver where they, like, strow the toilet and then try to drink and then they drink from it, which is very annoying. But no. None of them can lift the toilet. So
Chris:No. I gotta ask I got another follow-up. Just wait. Maybe you're gonna ask this, Adam, because I just let me play the clip.
Adam:Is that a Liz thing? Let's just say that's a Liz thing.
Dax:No. It's not. You know, it's funny. It's explicitly not a Liz thing. These are 2 cats I had with my previous girlfriend that I retained.
Adam:Well, now you definitely need to get rid of them. No good reason to have cats, especially now if they're tied to a previous relationship.
Adam:Well, what
Dax:am I gonna do? Kill them?
Adam:Oh, no. But, like, cats just, like they wander around. Just, like, don't let them back in the house.
Dax:They're they're not they've never been outdoors, really. They're indoor cats. I
Adam:was, like, eating. That's classic if I was just eating and had a cold.
Dax:What's really funny is without any context, Adam sounds like a horrible person.
Adam:I do. I know. Even with context, really. Just leave the cats outside. Yeah.
Dax:I'm like, wow. That's really mean. I can't tell if you're joking at all.
Adam:Yeah. It didn't sound very jokey. I did sound like I was eating eating something.
Dax:And you said and you had a cold. Yeah? Yeah. Like, half the podcast episodes, you get on, and I'm like, are you okay? Are you okay?
Dax:I'm usually not. Yeah. That's what I had
Chris:a note on that one. It was like, Adam has a cold, and I feel like Adam is the one who gets sick more often than Dax, which is funny because Adam is perceived to be this hypervigilant, cold plunge dude.
Dax:Cold plunge. That's where he gets the cold from.
Chris:That's what I get cold. But I know, as a parent, I know it's kids because they're like this awful vector. I'm assuming cats and dogs don't bring sickness to humans the same way that kids manage.
Adam:No. Yeah. Kids. It's crazy.
Chris:I've got 3 kids at camp this week that I'm picking up today, and I know I'm gonna be deathly ill on Sunday. So
Adam:Yeah. You can just predict it. Casey and I talk about it all the time. It's like, he's been playing all day with the kids. Like, well Yeah.
Adam:Let's just get ready. Everyone's getting sick in, like, 3 days.
Chris:It does get better. Like, my kids are older than yours, and so they do learn how to wash their hands or
Adam:stop eating
Chris:other people's snot or whatever they do.
Dax:But yes.
Chris:You think I'm joking?
Adam:No. I've seen stuff kids do. It's gross.
Chris:I've seen things.
Adam:I've seen things.
Chris:Like the oh, k. This is one I wanted to ask you about. K. Episode 66. We're going back to, I don't have the date, but whatever.
Chris:13,000 tweets or 13,000 views on this tweet. Do you do you know what it might be? Adam's tweet.
Dax:Is it a coffee one?
Chris:Not the coffee one.
Adam:Oh, I
Chris:forgot about the coffee one.
Dax:They said you're using coffee wrong one? No. It's on that one?
Chris:That was like an early one. That was already back. Right?
Adam:Oh, yeah.
Chris:Anyways, here. Okay.
Dax:It's funny you should be saying this after the photo you posted yesterday. I have
Adam:your clothes on. I don't
Adam:know if she's talking about it.
Dax:There's a lot of implication is all. Implication? What is that I don't know what that means. Okay. Here's the thing.
Adam:It was But it's drying off of the towel.
Dax:But it was like a sexy photo because, like, you knew you were naked. But it it was okay. Here's the thing. The implication of being naked is more sexual than being naked. But it
Adam:wasn't an implication of being naked because I'm very clearly clothed.
Dax:Do you have shorts on?
Adam:I have, like, a a Speedo on.
Dax:Okay. It didn't look like you had any clothes on, and you were just, like, wiping yourself
Chris:with your tail.
Adam:Anything on?
Dax:But even the Speedo, Adam, is, like, the implication of being naked.
Chris:No. I guess that's how
Adam:I get my son. No.
Dax:I get it, but, like, you you get what I mean. Right? Like
Adam:The implication of being naked. I see. Yeah. It's funny that I'm trying to defend that I was clothed when I was wearing a Speedo. Like, I really hammered that.
Adam:I had clothes on. Like, why would you think I'm naked in a Speedo? Oh my word.
Chris:It's funny as I was listening to the clip of that, like, the audio, and I was like, I forgot what the tweet was, the picture. And then I looked I looked at the picture. I'm like, what? How did you this is what so I feel like this is what listeners may be maybe maybe it's just me, but, like, listeners might were you wondering, like, there's, like, naive Adam sometimes on the show. Is that a character or is that legit?
Adam:I don't
Chris:I look at that picture and I'm like, there's no way you didn't know. You were, like, Googled, how do I post thirst trap after ice punch? And they were like, this is the picture. This is what you should do. And then you come on the podcast, you're like, what?
Chris:What?
Dax:Me? That was full of shit.
Adam:Listen. I don't think it's a character. I mean, I don't think I'm, like, pretending to be naive. I think I am very naive. In that particular instance, I think I was just hung up on him calling me naked, like, that I was completely naked.
Adam:And I wasn't naked, to be fair.
Chris:With the
Dax:straight shorts. My points? Like, the
Adam:point wasn't that you Yeah. No. In retrospect, I get the point. I do. I I don't know why I went through that era.
Adam:I did go through an era of posting a lot of, like, body photos. And I don't that it's kind of embarrassing now. For some reason, it wasn't embarrassing then, and now it's embarrassing. I don't know. Something changed.
Adam:I've grown. That's all.
Dax:Just grown. Look. It was fantastic, and the whole world is glad you went through that phase.
Adam:Okay.
Dax:Yeah. Nobody's upset about that.
Chris:Yeah. She's always mad. It is funny when I was looking at the tweet now. I don't know if you're I'm sure you you've gone back every month or so to see if there's new comments.
Dax:Oh, yeah. At least. Yeah.
Chris:Every like, there's, like, the there's 3 replies, I think, that it was shown. And then everything after that was, like, possible spams, possible spams, possible spams. So whatever and they weren't, like, anything bad. It wasn't like people were, like, actually saying stuff. It was just, like, even Twitter's algorithm knew.
Chris:It was like, this is a thirst trap that we might get some nasty.
Adam:Oh, that's funny. So I gotta say about the thirst trap thing, and that this is not be me being naive. I posted a photo of just I was wearing a new rash guard I got for jujitsu. And people there were several people that were, like, just, like, this is a subtle thirst trap. Can I can you be fit and post a photo yourself and it not be a thirst trap?
Adam:Like, I'm just I'm in good shape. It's fine. Like, I if I post a photo of me, is it always a thirst trap just because I'm in good shape? Is that it?
Dax:I I did laugh really hard at Melki's comment on that one when he was like, Adam, who is this content for? That was a good idea. I don't like,
Adam:I to me, it's just, like, it's a cool looking rash guard.
Chris:I don't know.
Adam:I think
Chris:if you're, like, without context, it comes off like tech tweet, tech tweet, Astro is great, and then, like, here's my chest. And, like, I hate tailwind
Adam:or whatever. Like so if you
Chris:were, like, muscle dude, fitness Instagram influencer dude, like, nobody would be like, oh, thirst trap. But, like yeah. Fair. Context is everything.
Adam:Yeah. I just wanna be myself. I just wanna be a whole person. This is what, Joel Hook says. It's okay to be a whole person.
Adam:And I'm I never think about, like, I don't know, filtering to, like, a certain group of people that care about certain things. I just, like, I wanna say what I wanna say. You know what I mean? Is that weird?
Dax:No. It's not. And you shouldn't change because this is perfect. You get to be yourself, and everyone gets to enjoy making fun of you. It's, like, beautiful.
Dax:Yeah.
Adam:I guess it's a symbiotic relationship.
Dax:Yeah. Okay. Like, nobody wishes you didn't post that.
Chris:We wish you
Dax:would do that more often.
Adam:Okay. That's fair. Alright. This is enough talk of my my thirst traps or whatever. Let's go to the other way.
Chris:Episode 30. This is back, like, June 2023. I don't even actually remember what the clip is, but it says, Adam finds out something shocking about DAX. Do you remember what it was? Do you have any does that give you any clip?
Chris:2023.
Adam:So it's like a year ago?
Chris:Yeah. Damn. What did
Dax:you know?
Adam:I can't I can't think of what it would be.
Chris:This for the Wikipedia entry, this is the first appearance of Larabars. I didn't even know how you say that. Larabars?
Dax:Yeah. Larabar. Larabar. Larabars.
Chris:For the first, like, 20 episodes, if you'd mentioned that, I would be, like, so confused because I didn't I'd never I think I remember tweeting you a photo at Costco. They have them here now or whatever. I was, like Yeah. This is what you've been talking about. I had no idea what you're talking about.
Chris:Okay. So this is
Adam:what's, Adam finds out about Dax. So
Dax:she TV going on all day. All day, I have
Adam:TV Are you serious? Wait a minute.
Dax:Seriously? You didn't know this movie?
Adam:No. Wait. Hang on. Wait. Wait.
Adam:Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Adam:Like, cable TV?
Dax:No. No. No. Just, like, TV shows. I'll have TV shows going.
Adam:Like, what kind of TV shows? Tell me or what channels? That's what I remember from TV is, like, there's channels.
Dax:This Yeah.
Adam:What channels are you on? No one's
Dax:doing channels.
Chris:Okay. So it wasn't that shocking. It was just that Dax watched TV.
Adam:I do
Adam:remember being very surprised that Dax watched TV. It just seems so not Dax. Like, Dax is so, like, sitting in a corner with a book and, like, just be wise and to to have a book.
Dax:Never read. Yeah. Like, I never read. I'm like the most not well read person ever.
Adam:It's it just so seems so against your character. I don't know. How do you get so You
Dax:know what's great? I get this is actually awesome. I get the perception. I get all the benefits from reading, which is people think I read and I'm smart, but I have to actually
Adam:do the reading, which is very boring. This is pretty cool.
Dax:The the teeny thing, though yeah. People always find this shocking. Like, I was talking with my team about this because Frank and Jay also recently just kinda understood that that I'm always I always have TV going. They found it really weird. So the way I perceive TV, because it's all about quantity, because I need something that just fills the whole day constantly.
Dax:Like, I love when I find a TV show that I can background and has, like, 200 episodes because I'm like, okay. I'm off to look for a new TV show for a whole week. My current thing that I'm watching is a show called Below Deck, which I actually found out later is more popular than I thought. It's a reality show about people that work on these, like, super yachts, the ones that are for rent. So people will come and rent them for a week, and you get, like, 7 star service.
Dax:Like, you can ask for anything, and they're supposed to do it. And it's, like, this reality show about the people that work there and, like, what goes on behind the scenes. Just super random. But now I know so much about yachting and boats and, like, different kinds of knots.
Adam:Like, you're actually different kinds of knots. You're actually, like, you're catching stuff from the show. It's not just in the background. Like
Dax:Okay. So if I, like, break this down, here's why this works for me. When I work and this has gotten really bad ever since I started doing AWS stuff. There's so much pausing because of waiting for a cloud formation or whatever.
Adam:Oh, yeah.
Dax:There's moments when I work where there's opportunities for distractions. I'm waiting for something.
Adam:Mhmm.
Dax:There's some kind of distraction that is, like, potentially endless, and you get distracted for where you attended for 5 minutes and suddenly an hour goes by, for example, like opening Twitter. Mhmm. There's other kinds of distraction that's very easily controlled. So if I constantly have TV going, when I'm waiting for something, I just turn my head and then watch the TV. Yeah.
Dax:And it's not, like, so engrossing that I'm, like, gonna forget what I was doing.
Adam:I could see that.
Dax:Yeah. Yeah. But I I I've also gotten very good at just listening to it on the background and, like, also ingesting. I've been doing this for, like, super long now.
Adam:I gotta ask. Have you tried music? That's, like, the typical thing that developers do.
Dax:Music works too.
Adam:I guess you can't really focus on it. I don't ever, like, distract myself with it. In fact, I still open browser tabs to distract myself while I'm listening to music waiting on something. So yeah. I get
Dax:it. Okay. I get it. To me, it's like a mag it's a good channel for my distraction that is safe.
Adam:Yeah. No. I get it.
Chris:So let's see quickly on, speaking of movies.
Adam:Are movies good? I think movies are bad now.
Dax:Okay. First of all, I watch movies all the time. You know, I, like, just consume a crazy amount of stuff. 2
Adam:Do you?
Dax:Is you watch a I thought you never watch movies. This is like a
Adam:I don't. And my wife and I decided last night to watch a movie. Yes. And it was it was just a giant waste of time. Was it?
Adam:Like, an hour in, she was on her phone. I don't even know what it's called. It was, it was a Netflix movie. It was, like, what's the girl? She was on the Office, I think.
Adam:Unbreakable. Kimmy Schmidt. Kimmy Schmidt. Yeah. Yeah.
Adam:What's her name?
Dax:Oh, I remember this. I'm sorry.
Adam:She was in it. They went, like, hiking.
Chris:This made me sound
Adam:now. Okay. It's just like I
Dax:don't know. You you watch a movie, like, once a year, and you just chose some random Netflix movie. So okay. Here's the thing from my point of view. I've seen a lot of movies.
Dax:So when I wanna watch a movie, it's a struggle because, like, there's not all the stuff that's really good, I've seen. You, on the other hand, you haven't seen anything. So you have you you you have this gift. I haven't
Adam:seen any of
Adam:that.
Dax:Gift where there's just, like, thousands of incredible films for you to watch. And then
Adam:I remember that one. I do remember.
Chris:So then that conversation I don't have the clip, so we won't go into it. But, like, the 60, $100,000 sound system TV thing you talk about. And I'm just like, is there any amount is there a bigger waste of technology on someone who's this is where I lose you as a client, I guess. But Yeah.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah.
Chris:I know. I'm
Adam:gonna burn it
Chris:down as I go.
Adam:I've since watched some good movies. On the equipment. I mean, I've taken advantage of it a little bit. But mostly just because Dax made fun of me. That was a turning point for me.
Adam:I started filtering my content
Adam:Wow. And
Adam:saying, I'm only gonna consume good stuff.
Chris:So lives have been changed by the podcast.
Adam:It really has. At least mine.
Dax:No. But you know what happened? That happened. And then he was like, okay. I'm gonna watch good stuff now.
Dax:But before I watch good stuff, let me build this, like, absurd theater in my house. And then I can watch the good stuff. Of course.
Adam:Very close
Dax:in the middle.
Adam:Yeah. Yeah.
Dax:Out of trajectory. Uh-huh.
Adam:Gotta rebuild my blog.
Chris:Because you're like the guy who would go like, you're about to go skiing for the first time in your life. So you order whatever the most expensive, best gear is.
Adam:So you
Chris:can show
Adam:up. Oh,
Dax:I hate
Adam:it. I
Dax:don't want to
Adam:be that way. But I am. It's true.
Chris:K. One more clip and then, we'll run off, I guess. But, like, here Okay.
Adam:Like, my Twitter, I've always sounded like a jerk in writing versus, like, if you meet me in person, like, I'm a Midwesterner. I'm pretty, like, low, conflict.
Dax:IQ.
Adam:That's classic Max right there. Oh, that's good. So what I like yeah.
Chris:Now you guys have met was that the first time in Miami you guys actually met in person, or was there something before that?
Dax:We met in re:Invent in Las Vegas. That was the first time. Okay.
Adam:Wait. Which episode was that? Was that We
Dax:met 3 times total.
Adam:Super early.
Chris:Clip was from no. That clip was from the seventies somewhere. I forgot what I found. A lot of here. The going back to the character versus reality question, and this is often podcasters how they work.
Chris:Like, you definitely have a persona when you're recording a conversation with someone that you know someone else is gonna list or you can have a persona. So is the jerk on the podcast the reality or which where's reality? If I was to interview your your wife, let's say this is for both of you, actually.
Adam:Yeah.
Chris:Your wives about you. And the the version they hear on the podcast, would they be like, that's, like, divorced from reality or that's Yeah. No. Somewhere in the mix.
Adam:Casey actually wanted to come on soon to do the same thing. When I told her what we were doing with you, she's like, I'd like to have some commentary on things you've said that you just forgot. Like, I'll say something like, I just learned this. And she's like, no. You learned it, like, 3 years ago.
Adam:So there's definitely, like, parts of me that are way more overdramatic. And that's what she would say is just I'm like, I'm more dramatic, but it's mostly it's me. I think it's me.
Chris:Mhmm. Dax?
Dax:I think for me, there's no difference. I think this is literally how I am at work. I think
Adam:yeah.
Adam:I agree a 100%. This is how you are. I've been around you enough now.
Dax:I'm just always looking for the opportunity to make fun, and I've been very consistent in that across all mediums.
Adam:Yeah. Twitter, Twitch, all of it.
Dax:Yeah. The podcast. It's true. Yeah. I mean, the comment Liz had the other day, and she replied to something, and she was like, for her, it's frustrating to listen to the podcast because, one is extremely boring because I'm, like, rehashing things that I've talked to her about.
Dax:It's like I've, like People say that about our podcast, too. It's I don't know. There's a scene here. Yeah. But, like, I, like, refined something with her, and then I, like, present it in a more polished way in the podcast, so it's kind of boring.
Dax:Or she'll want to interject and be like, actually, Dax is saying this wrong or, like, she has a thought. And it just so she just doesn't listen for that reason.
Adam:Yeah. That's Casey. She said the same thing that she just can't because she drives her crazy. She just wants to, like, correct things I say that I misrepresent or things I forgot or I lie about or whatever. She's just, like, screaming at the podcast.
Adam:Like,
Chris:no, Adam. Don't say that. You said this.
Adam:Yeah. She can't she can't.
Adam:That's how
Dax:I feel watching you on Twitch also, watching you both. I I totally
Adam:get it. An actor. Maybe I'm just pretending to be something I'm Maybe
Chris:you're an AI. You're an AI version of Adam. That's true.
Adam:It's possible.
Chris:Real Adam has put on the podcast right now to make us think.
Dax:Have you guys seen Ex Machina?
Chris:No. It's on my list, though.
Dax:Me too.
Adam:It's on my list. Yeah.
Dax:Oh, I'm just fucking old. I just can't even tell it's anecdote now. I'm like, this movie is very old, people. Like Yeah.
Chris:I know. It's like, I'm ashamed that I I haven't seen it yet. I I I'm ashamed
Adam:for you, Chris. Canadians.
Dax:Geez. It's a good movie. I think it's a little overrated, but it's it's worth watching.
Chris:K. Cryptic tweets. One question. Cryptic tweets, it's ad Dax. Sorry.
Chris:Dax is the one with the cryptic tweets that Adam there's recurring segment, Adam asking Dax about tweets. Mhmm. So I put a thing in the chat. Dax replied to something. I was, like, trying to channel my best Dax tweets style tweet about, like, I forgot what my original tweet was.
Chris:Something about, like, mocking programmers who are complaining about using too many video editors or something like that. Or I can't remember what this thing was. I was trying to, like, be a little bit snarky because my persona on Twitter is definitely, like, I'm friendly, but I'm a little bit sarcastic, but not never mean or whatever.
Adam:Yeah.
Chris:And then, Dax, like, the only person who replied to it was Dax. He just said, WTF. And, like, I literally sat there for, like this is again, I guess, pointing to the, wisdom or whatever of Dax's, like, sharp thing. He's just, like I don't know how much thought you gave to that, but it was, like, I sat for like 20 minutes. Like, did I just piss him off so badly?
Chris:And I don't even I wasn't even thinking of him at all. And I was like, do I like it was kind of one of those prices of like, did I just lose my client? Is that and I like cycled through that to to, like, oh, that's just his that's just his.
Adam:Yeah. They're like, oh, I
Dax:I literally thought you were making a joke about our coffee thing. I because you were like, sometimes I tell kids or software developers who really need their interface to be difficult or to use it counterintuitive. I'm like, oh, that sounds like terminal.
Chris:It's awesome.
Adam:This is
Dax:a really good example of how just text communication is It's
Adam:not the best.
Dax:Impossible. I would in my head, like, this is so clear. Like, it's so clear. Obviously, I'm, like, acting really offended about
Adam:this terrible thing.
Dax:Oh, man.
Chris:That's the only reason I need to come here, so I'm good now.
Adam:Yeah. You're you're not going anywhere, Chris. Another 100 episodes. You're not losing any clients. This was fun.
Adam:It's fun. It's fun to do this podcast. 100 episodes. Thanks for listening, everybody.
Chris:Yeah. Congratulations.
Adam:We gotta get off here so that's gonna be a call,
Adam:and
Adam:I can be.
Dax:Yeah. I gotta go. Alright. See you, everyone. See you.
Dax:Bye.
